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I’ve been trying to get to the bottom of some horrible symptoms (dizziness, weakness, fatigue, feeling jittery, brain fog) and have resorted to a private blood test as not getting anywhere with GP.

test shows high FT4 under thyroid section and high cystatin C under kidney section (which I believe is linked to high FT4).

I do take a number of dietary supplements- multivitamin, B12, iron, ginkgo biloba and lavender. Anyone know if these might be causing the high FT4, just so I’m armed with info when I speak with my GP.

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Welcome to the group. If you could complete your profile it helps members understand your thyroid journey so far and be able to advise you better. Click on your image icon to start. Fill out the free text box at the top.

Can you share all of the thyroid results - TSH, FT4 & FT3, also include the reference range, numbers in brackets after your result.

Did you also hve thyroid antibodies tested - TPO & Tg?

Exactly what were the vitamin results?

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Slinkyxx in reply toJaydee1507

FT4 is 22.6 (>21.6 deemed high)

FT3 is normal

Thyroid results
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TPO & Tg also normal

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Thats a strange result and on this test your antibodies were negative. They may change so worth retesting in 3-4 months.

What time of day was the test taken? TSH varies throughout the day and is highest at 9am or earlier when its recommeded to test.

Did you also get the vitamins tested?

Have you been proven to need an iron supplement in the past?

How much and what type of B12 do you take?

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Cystatin C 1.15 (>1.05 deemed high)

Kidney test result
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iron count

Iron level
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thank you. 50mg cyanocobalamin for B12 and 210mg ferrous fumarate for iron.

Test was done at 2:30pm in the afternoon.

Vitamins weren’t tested, but I’ll upload the blood and iron levels too.

I’ve had countless tests with low hemoglobin, but GP says fine. It’s just such a battle to get to the bottom of my symptoms.

I started HRT patch earlier this year too.

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greygoose in reply toSlinkyxx

I don't know a lot about iron, but your supplements need a serious over-haul.

For a start, multi-vits are not recommended on here, for many reasons. They usually contain things you don't need or don't want to be taking, like calcium and iodine. But the main reason is that if they contain iron, you won't be absorbing much of anything else. Iron binds to just about everything except vit C. And taking vit C with iron is essentail because it helps absorb the iron.

Iron should be taken at least two hours away from everything else - except vit C - and four hours away from thyroid hormone.

Cyanocobalamin is not the best form of B12 to take, it's not well absorbed and has to be converted in the body to methylcobalamin. So why not take methylcobalamin to start with? Also, just taking one isolated B vit won't do much for you because the Bs all work together. So, best to take a methylated B complex. You may or may not need extra B12, depending your your B12 level - same goes for folate.

Your FT4 is high because you are not converting it to T3, so it's just mounting up in the blood. The low FT3 could be the cause of your symptoms, but some of them sound like low nutrient levels.

There are so many different causes of poor conversion of T4 to T3 that you might never find the cause of yours. But optimising nutrients sometimes helps. And make sure you're consuming enough calories and carbs. You need both to convert. But, if all else fails, you are going to need to obtain some T3 to take with a reduced dose of levo.

Welcome to the forum. :)

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One thing there, your RBC mean cell volume is over range which indicates that you have sufficient iron/haemoglobin to stuff your cells with, but not enough B12/folate to make extra cells. This tallies with the red cell count only just being in range.

We need B12 and folate to make the cells, then iron to make the haemoglobin to fill the cells. The above suggest you need more B12 and/or folate.

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Did you get your B12, folate & vit D tested too?

Are you vegan or vegetarian?

50mg B12 is a low dose & cyanocobalmin is the inactive form. Better to take methylcobalmin which is ready for your body to use more easily.

I'd suggest a good methyl B complex which would include folate as well.

B complex suggestions: Slightly cheaper options with inactive B6:

amazon.co.uk/Liposomal-Soft...

Contains B6 as P5P an active form:

bigvits.co.uk/thorne-resear...

healf.com/products/basic-b-...

Explanation about the different forms of B6:

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

B complex comparison spreadsheet:

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Ref your thyroid results, firstly your TSH would have been higher had you tested earlier in the day, so next time you test do so at 9am or before, fasting & stop B complex 4-7 days max before as it can affect results.

You cant be hyperthyroid as TSH is within range although higher than I would expect to see in an average person. Retest in 3-4 months as described.

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I'd skip the ginkgo biloba - there are many possible issues taking that. Including depletion of vitamin B6. That is not me being anti-ginkgo biloba - it might well be beneficial. But you have an issue and it needs looking at.

You need folate and B12 tested and, likely, supplementation. If your B12 is in a multi-vitamin, it is likely at a low level.

Mean Cell Volume being high almost certainly implies low folate and/or B12.

There are many options for both. Folate can be in the form of methylfolate, folic acid or folinic acid. But you do not want to over-do supplementation.

B12 is available in four basic forms and a vast range of dosages and mixtures. But if your B12 is very low, it would be advisable to consider the possibility of Pernicious Anaemia.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tohelvella

I failed to emphasise that low B12 or low folate can, on their own, make people feel dreadful. Even if every other aspect of your nutrition is excellent. Even if you have no other health issues.

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I wonder if Randox produces a high Cystatin-C result (mine was 1.63). That said your creatinine-based eGFR looks OK.

You can add the cystatin-C figure alongside the creatinine figure in an eGFR calculator to see the full impact on your kidney function - it might reduce your eGFR a bit - kidney.org/professionals/gf...

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