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hi all, I posted last week… I had my results back today. Was on 50mcg in April to August, increased to 75mcg in August, 8 weeks later here are my results before and after:

August (50mcg)

TSH 2.83

T3 4.1

T4 13.8

today (75mcg)

TSH 2.52

T3 4.9

T4 15

so it’s definitely an improvement, but do we think a trail dose of 100 should be requested? Symptoms are improving but still extremely tired. X

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Ask for next dose as a trial if necessary. TSH well over 1 where most people feel well.

Do include reference ranges for each test. These are not standrd so important to quote.

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CAB123x in reply toJaydee1507

TSH 0.25 - 4.2

T3 3.1 - 6.8

T4 12 - 22

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toCAB123x

Free T4 (fT4) 15 pmol/L (12 - 22) 

Ft4 (levothyroxine ) only 30.0% through range

Free T3 (fT3) 4.9 pmol/L (3.1 - 6.8) 48.6%

Definitely request next increase to 100mcg ….as a trial if necessary

which brand of Levo are you currently taking

when adequately treated likely to need Ft4 at least 60-70% through range

Keep working on vitamins as discussed in previous post

And consider trialing gluten free diet soon

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CAB123x in reply toSlowDragon

It’s definitely increasing and improving since last time so I’m grateful for that! Just need the extra push to get to 100% x

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toCAB123x

Have these guidelines printed out and ready to quote

nhs.uk/medicines/levothyrox...

Adults usually start with a dose between 50 micrograms and 100 micrograms taken once a day. This may be increased gradually over a few weeks to between 100 micrograms and 200 micrograms taken once a day.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

TSH should be under 2 as an absolute maximum when on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

The optimal daily dose in overt hypothyroidism is 1·5–1·8 μg per kg of bodyweight, rounded to the nearest 25 μg.

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CAB123x in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you! How often do we need to re-test? X

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toCAB123x

Retest 6-10 weeks after increasing to 100mcg

As you get nearer your eventual dose…..you can leave longer between increase and testing

Retest again every 3 months until levels remain stable

And maintain optimal vitamin levels too

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CAB123x in reply toSlowDragon

Managed to get an increase to 100mcg!!

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CAB123x in reply toCAB123x

Although I was told I was sub clinical hypothyroidism which I have no idea what it means!

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tattybogle in reply toCAB123x

'sub clinical' hypothyroid just means , at diagnosis( before taking any levo) , the TSH was over range , but the fT4 level was still within range . (the high TSH shows the pituitary is 'asking' your thyroid to try and make more T4 because the amount of T4 it is producing is not quite enough for your body's needs , but at this point it is still managing to produce just enough T4 to keep it within range)

if the situation has become worse and the TSH was over range AND the fT4 was below range, it would be called 'overt' hypothyroid. This means that even though the pituitary is asking the thyroid to try and make more T4 ,,, the thyroid cant manage to make enough to keep T4 within range.

These are rather arbitrary definitions , and they are not directly related to the level of symptoms people have .... a few people who are 'overtly' hypo will not notice any significant hypo symptoms just feel a bit below par , while others will be freeing cold zombies without the energy to string a sentence together . It's the same with 'subclinical' hypo.... some will feel basically ok and some will be really struggling to function normally.

As far as the NHS is concerned the difference is that for overt hypo GP's 'should' start treatment with levo even if symptoms are not a problem... while subclinical is a case of 'could consider treatment with levo IF symptoms are causing problems'

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