Endo review... that's a new slant!

[TiggerMe]

Opening line...

Endo: I don't wish to discuss TSH with you as we disagree (0.05 results from 5 months ago)

Me: 🤐 (zipped mouth)

Your fT4 is near the top of the range 17.2 (12-22) blah blah heart and bone issues blah blah

😕(confused) even though it is actually in the middle? Are you interested to hear how I feel I've been making great progress... though my resting heart rate is now down to 55bpm?

The range is designed to cover people of all sizes and for your size I would not accept it any higher!

😮(open mouth) 🤐 (zipped)

I could tell your GP not to prescribe any more with results like this!

Here is a blood test form for next month, I shall keep you on the same dose... shall we do this by phone next time?

Great... thank you, by phone would be great... quick exit 😅 (grinning and a little sweaty!)

(for   tattybogle 🤭(chuckling))

Well at least I have secured my NHS prescription for another year...🤷‍♀️

[Buddy195 Administrator]

Well done TiggerMe; you handled it very well!

[greygoose]

A Pocket Napoleon, Delusions of Grandeur, Dictator Syndrome. That will be £2500, please.

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to greygoose]

This nonsense and brush off is available free from the NHS 🙃

Very hard to have a discussion with her as her understanding is rather skewed!

[greygoose in reply to TiggerMe]

Sounds like it! Her understanding of life sounds a bit skewed, too!

[FallingInReverse]

My favorite-

Your fT4 is near the top of the range 17.2 (12-22)

I would have had trouble keeping quiet on that one…

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to FallingInReverse]

I did say "it's about 55%?".... her comment about "the range is designed to fit all sizes and I wouldn't want anyone your size any higher than that!" ....that silenced me! I've never heard such nonsense 😲

[Singwell in reply to TiggerMe]

You could show her the maths? Pop a note into patient liason maybe 😉

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Singwell]

It was after the 55% comment that the threat to withdraw my prescription came so 🤐 and run 😁

[Singwell in reply to TiggerMe]

Oh yes, I get it. That was your goal and you handled that meeting well. Choose your battles.

[Lottyplum in reply to TiggerMe]

What a load of baloney, tosh, nonsense, bolocof! Think they make things up as they go along! It's a wonder you didn't laugh out loud!!🤣🤣

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Lottyplum]

tbh the comment was so left field that my mouth just fell open.... (I had primed myself to say as little as possible) I assume she thought in wonderment at her knowledge 😬

[Lottyplum in reply to TiggerMe]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Lottyplum]

Honestly some health forums get a bad rap for spouting nonsense but it's nothing compared to the utter 💩 we get from the medics

[buddy99 in reply to TiggerMe]

Excellent self control, TiggerMe!!!!!!!!! It's better they feel you're in wonderment of their knowledge than feel challenged in any way. I'm in wonderment of your forbearance. Self preservation made you do it, I guess. Way to go!

[Lily905]

It's just a well rehearsed Script for thyroid patients - no individual care plans. "One Size Fits All"

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Lily905]

Absolutely, she didn't see me just this old result... but now I know exactly what her criteria is I can confidently provide those blood results twice a year 😏whilst freestyling in between

[Lily905 in reply to TiggerMe]

🎯

[PRJ20 in reply to TiggerMe]

💨🪂🤟👍..........👀🤐😶

[Doris11]

EGO 🙈🙈🙈

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Doris11]

Yep!... I have to leave mine outside to prevent it tripping me up 🤐

[Starseed56]

TiggerMe well done that’s a brilliant performance from you, so much zipping required to get what you want! 🏅 👏

I hate to think what they’ll say about my TSH last came in at 0.005!!💜

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Starseed56]

🤗 I get far less threats when I just zip it... honestly there is no point trying to discuss things as their understanding is so limited

My TSH is the same but luckily she concedes after our initial meeting that I won't be fobbed off and treated on that, after I requested my pituitary should be investigated...but on my fT3&4 results, though she never requests a fT3 result 🤷‍♀️

[Zephyrbear]

I SOOOO love it when they say they’ll do it by phone rather than face-to-face and then sign me off for another 12 months of T3! Allows me to give full flight to any facial expressions I feel like making as they’re waffling on, also saves me an 80mile round trip and two hours travelling time that can be much better spent doing other stuff… like weeding the garden or summat!

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Zephyrbear]

I'm with you there!! Cherry on the cake 🍰

[Hay2016 in reply to TiggerMe]

Love phone consults. My last three telephone appts have been a combined 5 min and that includes confirming it’s me 3 times and yep my face is a picture. 😂 But I get to say things like oh my levels are perfect, that’s great as I increased my dose to 10mcg instead of five just after our last review so I’ll leave it at that if you can inform GP. All else good, thanks for your time bye now. Exit phone right!

[RedShells]

Well done, for zipping😀 if she seen my tsh....0.02....my resting heartbeat same as yours, feeling super on 2 grains NDT.

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to RedShells]

I think my advice to people would be to become as knowledgeable as you can about our condition but be very cagey about sharing it with medics then you don't have to wrestle with their ego too! 😆

[buddy99 in reply to TiggerMe]

That is great advice. I learned that the hard way, since I had been spoiled with a doctor who was a great health partner and then was thrown into the harsh reality after moving. How I miss that doctor, who actually was open to what I had to say.

[tattybogle]

Totally agree with your approach ~ know very much , but say very little.

I swear some of em just make it up as they go along.

bigger people have higher fT4 levels than little people ? .. i think not .

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to tattybogle]

I often think these sorts of doctors have missed their calling, they should be politicans. Who also spout absolute BS, make it up as they go along, treat the public with contempt and think we're stupid.

[BorzoiGalgo in reply to tattybogle]

🤣🤣🤣🙄

[Sparklingsunshine]

Well that's a new line in bollocks, medics usually blame high FT3 for heart problems and bone health, not middle of the range FT4. She doesnt even know her hormones from her elbow. Honestly I'd love to secretly record these sessions and then play them back so they can actually hear the word salad they spout and expect us to swallow.

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Sparklingsunshine]

Luckily she hasn't read the page on fT3 it would seem as it hasn't been mentioned since our first meeting and she doesn't test it!!

It is hilarious when you go over it afterwards and writing it here just makes me laugh out loud, though I think it's good to pre-warn others of the surreal nature of these encounters

I'm feeling quite lucky really now I know how to ride this pony🤠

[buddy99 in reply to Sparklingsunshine]

Or play it to a bunch of med students and see whether there is any puzzlement on any of their faces or whether they all knot along.

[DandyButch]

That sounds like the same conversation I had with my NHS endocrinologist. However, I couldn't keep it zipped, never could, probably never will.She retorted with a tirade about how long she had studied, at every level, and dissed every other contested opinion, as not being medically trained!

I got my repeat meds, though no increase.

Only 6 months.

I will have to endure another disagreement in September.

Hey Ho!

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to DandyButch]

I can well recommend the 🤐 approach... I have enough flexibility if I am prompt requesting my prescriptions to alter my dose to suit me..... why do they think we need to be medically trained to read the latest papers 😕

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to TiggerMe]

Or even read out blood test results on a screen, a child can do as much.

[Mlinde]

Join the club! A couple of years ago, I secured an appointment with an Endo and before i'd even got to see him, he emailed me that if I was going to ask for T3, to forget it! I canceled the appointment. One GP, when talking on the phone to me when I questioned her, replied, "I'm the doctor!" 'Experts' can be so arrogant. and occasionally, wrong.

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to Mlinde]

Oh its more than occasionally 😁. I've got loads of examples, past and present.

[buddy99 in reply to Mlinde]

More often than occasionally, I believe. Some have done real and irreversible damage to my body. In North America the third leading cause of death is medical error (after CVD and cancer). I perceive doctors as a potential danger to my health, which makes me obsessed with collecting medical knowledge as it pertains to me. An interesting book is "Undoctored" by William Davis. But, unfortunately we are dependent on their good will. That means groveling away and keeping a neutral facial expression (if you can not muster a rapt expression) or face the unpleasant consequences. Blessed are the ones who have found the rare diamond of a doctor. They shall inherit good physical and mental health.

[Mlinde in reply to buddy99]

Yeah, I read some frightening statistic about how many people died, millions from 'errors'.

[Mlinde]

Yes, welcome to the age of the 'expert'.

[tattybogle in reply to Mlinde]

Expert:

Ex is a has-been,

Spurt is a drip under pressure

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to tattybogle]

🤣👏👏laughing and applauding

[TiggerMe Ambassador]

Hilariously I've just received a feedback survey... "how was your appointment?" Ummm 💩