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Is it known for Electromagnetic Field Radiation (EMF) to increase TSH whilst still having normal T4 and T3 levels?

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Hi,

I know a lot of people say that electromagnetic fields are generally not a risk, but what if someone is exposed to it constantly throughout the day without any fresh air, surrounded by computers and other equipment quite close to your body?

Can this increase and play havoc with your TSH number? I saw a post from someone who talked about seeing improvements after detoxing and using a sauna if I understood correctly.

I'd like to know if anyone is experienced with this.

Thanks for your help!

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There's no reason why electric fields should affect TSH, any more than every other chemical in the universe. On the other hand electrical equipment and furnishings contain endocrine disrupting chemicals (EDCs) that affect thyroid and other hormones.

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TSH110 in reply to jimh111

There is some research that suggests EMF from mobile phones might affect TSH

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

In rats:

researchgate.net/publicatio...

journals.sagepub.com/doi/pd...

Leading to a reduction in TSH.

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jimh111 in reply to TSH110

I've only skimmed these studies they seem to show conflicting effects, higher or lower TSH. The problem with human experiments is that users of mobile telephones may have different behaviour, may be more active (certainly talkative!) and this could have a bigger impact on hormones. The rat experiment is interesting, assuming they used a similar dose of radio waves to mobiles.

It's all change though because these studies are old and now we have 4G and 5G with higher frequencies - in the microwave range. The only difference being the dose! So, I guess it's a good idea to minimise the use of mobile telephones.

There is a theoretical long term risk of 'cooking' oneself from too much mobile usage. I think the damage from endocrine disruptiing chemicals is well established and far greater.

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LAHs in reply to jimh111

I absolutely agree with minimising the use of mobile telephones, thanks for reiterating that. The thought of pressing a radiative device half an inch from my brain makes me shudder and I rarely use one. If I see adults in the supermarket pushing a mobile phone next to their child's ear just so they can talk to (say) grandma, I go tell them not to do that. And "cooking" is also a reality, the first thing you can cook quite easily is the aqueous humour of the eye. When I worked at a radar station my boss used to say, "keep away from that, it will cook your eyes like a boiled egg!" For goodness sake folks be careful and aware of radiation, I have bought a small detector just so that I know about environments I will be spending a long time in. They are not very expensive and what you find out will blow your mind (the good way).

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jimh111 in reply to LAHs

I think they are very safe but in the back of my mouth d is that although they transmit at very low power we use them a lot. And while I'm writing this I'm holding my mobile one inch from my tummy.I wouldn't live next to a cellphone transmitter, within ten or twenty metres. At a guess it might be preferable to use WiFi as much as possible on the assumption that this reduces radio transmission from the mobile. It seems a very small risk for a lot of benefit. The science is too complex for me and subject to bias from enthusiasts on both sides. I think we will have a good idea in ten or twenty years.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to jimh111

However, the power of the signal from your own phone increases the further away from the tower you are.

Being reasonably close minimises the power required of that signal from your phone.

You can (sort-of) see this if ever you end up somewhere with a poor signal. The rate at which the battery charge drops is much greater than if you are metres away from a tower.

If you consider Bluetooth is safer than the 3G/4G/5G system, then use a Bluetooth earbud or headset and place your phone a couple or so metres away. (I'm absolutely NOT saying Bluetooth is safer, not in a position to make such an assertion, but some people suggest it might be.) Or use the phone's speaker! At the risk of annoying everyone around you.

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TSH110 in reply to jimh111

Yes it’s deffo not a proven finding just some indications it might be of significance.

I was so scared of mobile phones initially because they claimed they caused brain cancer , I wouldn’t have one! Not sure if that theory went anywhere. I gave in of course and as bad as the next person glued to a mobile, they are now so ubiquitous and needed if you work and maybe if you don’t.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK

There is no doubt that electromagnetic fields can have effects on our bodies. The Health and Safety Executive have this:

Electromagnetic fields

hse.gov.uk/radiation/nonion...

It is hard to understand why only TSH would be affected. Whether that is TSH but not FT4 and FT3, or TSH but no other hormones, etc.

And it is also potentially hard to transfer research from one location to another. For example, there has been much posting about the possibility of 5G signals affecting humans. But much of that has applied to mmWave frequencies. Which have not been implemented in the UK. (We might have a few phones capable of using mmWave, such as visitors from the USA, but no installed infrastructure using those frequencies.)

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