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I have Hashimoto’s & PCOS.

Probably for about 6 months now I have noticed I don’t have defined collarbones anymore and there seems to be a build up of fat instead. I’ve attached a photo of my left side as this side is much more prominent than the right. I notice it when I do my make up as I stretch my neck forward and that’s when it seems to be most noticeable.

It doesn’t feel like a lump, it’s soft and squishy. I had a thyroid scan recently and they didn’t notice it, generally the scan was fine but showed hashimotos thyroiditis. I do have difficulty swallowing sometimes too.

Anyone have a clue what this might be or is it just from weight gain? I gained about 3 stone in 3 months when all my issues started in 2017 and haven’t been able to shift it - despite now eating 10x better and exercising regularly.

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Results in your profile show you qualify to start on levothyroxine

TSH: 6.14 (0.27 - 4.2)

T3: 4.7 (3.1 - 6.8)

T4: 15.5 (12 - 22)

Anti TPO: 124 (0 - 34)

Anti TG: 317 (0 - 115)

Are you now on levothyroxine

If not ……why not

Starting levothyroxine - flow chart

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if you are on levothyroxine

How much and how long on current dose

Guidelines of dose Levo by weight

approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Even if we frequently start on only 50mcg, most people need to increase levothyroxine dose slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or near full replacement dose

pathlabs.rlbuht.nhs.uk/tft_...

Guiding Treatment with Thyroxine:

In the majority of patients 50-100 μg thyroxine can be used as the starting dose. Alterations in dose are achieved by using 25-50 μg increments and adequacy of the new dose can be confirmed by repeat measurement of TSH after 2-3 months.

The majority of patients will be clinically euthyroid with a ‘normal’ TSH and having thyroxine replacement in the range 75-150 μg/day (1.6ug/Kg on average).

The recommended approach is to titrate thyroxine therapy against the TSH concentration whilst assessing clinical well-being. The target is a serum TSH within the reference range.

……The primary target of thyroxine replacement therapy is to make the patient feel well and to achieve a serum TSH that is within the reference range. The corresponding FT4 will be within or slightly above its reference range.

The minimum period to achieve stable concentrations after a change in dose of thyroxine is two months and thyroid function tests should not normally be requested before this period has elapsed.

TSH should be under 2 as an absolute maximum when on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

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Request/insist GP arrange an ultrasound scan of thyroid now

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Folate: 11.3 (> 7)

B12: 57 (37.5 - 188)

Vit D 69.6 (50 - 250)

Ferritin: 26.6 (30 - 180)

Vitamin levels are terrible, especially ferritin….hardly surprising as you are hypo

What vitamins are you taking

Folate ok

Vitamin D better over 80nmol

Active B12 - looking to be at least over 70 minimum

Ferritin at least over 70 too

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I have this too, asked GP, asked Ear Nose and Throat at hospital…. They don’t really know, suggesting it might be lymph or fatty tissue. It didn’t show up as anything sinister on ultrasound or MRI

I think now I’m close to optimally replaced (a moving target) it’s going down a bit. Definitely still there though.

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So just read your post from 20 days ago

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Just started on 25mcg Levothyroxine - Teva brand

Likely lactose intolerant

This is only half the standard starter dose

So starting on too low a dose can initially exacerbate symptoms

Levothyroxine doesn’t “top up” failing thyroid….it replaces it

Get bloods retested 6-8 weeks after each increase in dose

Insist of lactose free levothyroxine

Teva only 25mcg and 50mcg

Teva or Vencamil at 100mcg

Going to take several months to get up to full replacement dose

Typically that’s approximately 1.6mcg per kilo of your weight per day

Pregnancy

Before considering TTC levels need to be stable

verywellhealth.com/infertil...

Pregnancy guidelines

thyroiduk.org/having-a-baby/

NICE guidelines that if hypothyroid or subclinical you should see endocrinologist BEFORE TTC

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

Here’s link for how to request Thyroid U.K.list of private Doctors emailed to you, but within the email a link to download list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologists

Ideally choose an endocrinologist to see privately initially and who also does NHS consultations

thyroiduk.org/contact-us/ge...

IMPORTANT See pages 7&8

btf-thyroid.org/Handlers/Do...

Also here - dose increase in levothyroxine as soon as pregnancy test confirms conception

cuh.nhs.uk/patient-informat...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

Low ferritin, low thyroid levels and miscarriage

preventmiscarriage.com/iron...

Low iron and hypothyroid

endocrineweb.com/news/thyro...

Folate and B12 and Neural tube defects and autism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

ec.bioscientifica.com/view/...

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As you have Hashimoto’s you should be tested for coeliac

Has this been done

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances.

Most common by far is gluten.

Dairy is second most common.

A trial of strictly gluten free diet is always worth doing

Only 5% of Hashimoto’s patients test positive for coeliac but a further 81% of Hashimoto’s patients who try gluten free diet find noticeable or significant improvement or find it’s essential

A strictly gluten free diet helps or is essential due to gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and may slowly lower TPO antibodies

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first as per NICE Guidelines

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

Or buy a test online, about £20

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet 

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially) 

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

nuclmed.gr/wp/wp-content/up...

In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

Similarly few months later consider trying dairy free too.

Approx 50-60% find dairy free beneficial

With loads of vegan dairy alternatives these days it’s not as difficult as in the past

Post discussing gluten

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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katyy94x in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks so much for all your help. Waiting for GP to respond to my request for an endocrinology referral, full iron panel test, coeliac test and some other outstanding bits.

Was more the lump/fat I'm baffled by. Be interesting to see if it goes down once everything else is sorted. I will ask the GP about it when i see him.

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