Adrenaline rushes/anxiety spikes at night?

[ratqueenxo]

Hello, at the minute I am unfortunately inbetween doctors and have had to self medicate.

I have had some success but on and off I am experiencing adrenaline rushes and anxiety while laying in bed and trying to sleep. Its near impossible to have deep sleep right now.

Could someone help me discern whether this is indicative of hypo or hyper?

I am also keto which I realize may alter T3 levels...I have been hypo for weeks now with some improvment, )being bed bound to now walking up to an hour a day) which is why i suspect i am just still very hypo.

unfortunately I don't have test results as my GP doesn't believe there is an issue(hence why I am in between doctors).

Thanks!

[SlowDragon Administrator]

Get FULL thyroid (and vitamin) testing 6-8 weeks after any dose change, brand change or lifestyle change

See you’re in Belgium

Can you get private testing

[ratqueenxo in reply to SlowDragon]

Yes I can get private testing, thank you for the advice!

[PurpleNails Administrator]

What is your current replacement?

You briefly tried T3 but have switched to NDT? Is this still the case?

It’s extremely unreliable to attribute a particular symptom to either a hyper or hypo cause. There’s a huge cross over in symptoms which can be caused by both. Everyone is unique so there are always going be individuals which experience the “wrong” symptom.

Then there may be an indirect issue eg a nutritional deficiency which causes a separate symptom to thyroid.

The only reliable & accurate way is to test.

Why have you chosen a keto?

Your previous posts indicate your TSH & FT4 have been in range & your FT3 is low. Minimal carbohydrate intake is likely to reduce further.

As a hyperthyroid patient low carb lowered my FT3 but it’s not ideal for someone trying to raise FT3.

[ratqueenxo in reply to PurpleNails]

I'm still on an NDT substitute, yes (its classed as a food supplement as it has thyroid descciated in it). I am on keto because I have SIBO and it's the only relief I have right now..yes my health is in shambles atm. My functional doctor previously didn't know how to treat my thyroid efficently so I swapped to this supplment which granted me some relief. I won't name it as I'm aware it's not recommended.Thank you for your insight!

[Hidden]

A few years ago, I had the following problems: trouble falling asleep at night, tired but wired, then waking up several times a night, never waking up fully rested. I ordered a saliva cortisol test which showed lowish cortisol levels throughout the day, so decided to experiment: I added one grain of NDT at bedtime. It made a big difference to me. The problems went away, so it would seem I had low T3 levels at night. I have read that healthy people produce most of their T3 during sleep so that the adrenal glands have enough T3 when they start producing cortisol in the morning. It seems that low T3 levels at night stresses the adrenal glands which then start producing more adrenaline. Anyway, what worked for me was to add some NDT before bed. But in order to experiment, you need to add one thing at the time and give it enough time to assess the results (or lack thereof).

[France92 in reply to Hidden]

This is me no sleep at all saliva test show low cortisol just don't understand and know how to treat it. What is NDT please?

[Hidden in reply to France92]

Sorry, natural desiccated thyroid, such as Armour Thyroid, Erfa and Thyroid-S.

[FancyPants54]

For me, nighttime anxiety and adrenaline rushes waking me means I need some T3. Taking a tiny amount, 1/8th of a tablet, gives near instant relief and good sleep.

[Hidden in reply to FancyPants54]

Isn´t it fascinating how the body works? Over the years, I have had countless doctors tell me symptoms such as these mean you are overmedicated and need to stop NDT/T3. When in fact my body needed more of it...! I have yet to meet a doctor who understands the thyroid-adrenal connection.

[FancyPants54 in reply to Hidden]

It dawned on me when I had a very unpleasant cold in January. It went on and on and suddenly all these nasty symptoms arrived. The very worst was the terrible middle of the night anxiety that made me get up and put all the lights on because I could not bear the dark.

One night I sat shaking in fear and just thought “what if” and nibbled a bit of T3. In 1/2 an hour I was back in bed and snuggling to sleep. It was revolutionary.

One the cold had gone I stopped it as I was showing signs of overheating and sweating buckets.

[arTistapple]

Whilst I love the T3 observations and I am inclined to agree, low T3 will likely be at the bottom of this. However have you considered sleep apnea? I feel a bit like a missionary on this one BUT I was SO against this idea originally myself, even after testing. It took me a while to get over myself. However I now find the CPAP machine soothing. I think lack of T3 raises all sorts of unacknowledged problems. Collapse of neck, throat even head muscles. I am hoping T3 will finally address some of this stuff for me but in the meantime my CPAP machine has made far more difference to my health than my thyroid medication.