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Hi,

I would be grateful for your thoughts. Thank you!

Following forum advice on November 22 ferritin test results (ferritin: 29 ug/L (13-300) I took a full iron panel. These are the results:

Iron: 23.8 umol/L (6.6-26) - 88.7% through range

TIBC: 56 umol/L (41-77) 41.67% through range

Transferrin saturation: 43% (20-55) 65.71% through range

Ferritin: 48 ug/L (27-150) 17% through range

CRP 0.3 (0-5)

So Ferritin is slightly up since Novembe and I haven't actively changed my diet. (But perhaps Christmas eating has been meat-heavier than my usual diet, I'm not sure. )

My hands and feet have always been cold, but seem to be getting worse. I struggled to get any blood from a finger prick. But I managed the second time.

I'd like to understand a bit better what these results mean and what your advice would be? Thanks!

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Dandelions

Who did the ferritin only test?

Who did the iron panel?

Did you fast for 12 hours (water allowed)?

Do you take any iron supplements at all ?

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Dandelions in reply to SeasideSusie

Hi SeasideSusie,

No I didn't fast. Should I have?

Ferritin only test was done at my GP practice. Iron panel has been done by Medichecks - the Doctor's labarotory.

I take no iron supplements.

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Dandelions in reply to Dandelions

Oh I did fast for the ferritin only test. Not for the full iron panel.

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Dandelions

Dandelions

This is from labtestsonline.org

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Test Preparation Needed?

Your doctor may request that you fast for 12 hours prior to some iron blood tests. In this case, only water is permitted. You should not take any iron tablets for 24 hours before the test. Iron is absorbed rapidly from food or tablets, and can make your blood iron levels falsely high.

and this from the NHS

nhs.uk/common-health-questi...

Common fasting blood tests

Examples of blood tests that may require you to fast include:

a fasting blood glucose test (used to test for diabetes) – you may be asked to fast for 8 to 10 hours before the test

an iron blood test (used to diagnose conditions such as iron deficiency anaemia) – you may be asked to fast for 12 hours before the test

For more information about a wider range of blood tests, go to Lab Tests Online.

So for the iron panel then yes you should have fasted but that is to ensure that no high iron foods were eaten close to the blood draw. Presumably you did the test in the morning and didn't eat a meal of steak or other red meat or liver or black pudding for breakfast.

There has always been a big difference between GP and Medichecks results for ferritin test results amd there has never really been a satisfactory explanation for why this should be. If doesn't help that the reference ranges are different.

These are optimal levels for an iron panel according to

rt3-adrenals.org/Iron_test_...

Serum iron

• 55 to 70% of the range, higher end for men

TIBC

• Low in range indicates lack of capacity for additional iron

• High in range indicates body's need for supplemental iron

Saturation

• optimal is 35 to 45%, higher end for men

Ferritin

Some experts say that the optimal level for thyroid function is 90-110ug/l.

You can see that your serum iron is higher than the suggested optimal level so iron supplementation is not a good idea as it will take your level over range.

TIBC is slighly lower than mid range and doesn't suggest iron supplements are needed.

Saturation again is higher than the suggested optimal level and again doesn't suggest supplementation.

So that leaves low ferritin which you may be able to raise through diet, eg liver, liver pate, black pudding, etc.

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Dandelions in reply to SeasideSusie

I should probably be alright done, I'm not in the habit of breakfasting on steak! It was probably yoghurt with granola.

So I shouldn't take iron supplements, because my iron is already high in range, and focus on diet. Does that mean that when eating these foods (liver etc) my iron won't get raised, but my ferritin will? Do these foods contain ferritin only (without iron)?

I remember when growing up in the Netherlands that 'appelstroop' (apple butter) was always considered a high iron food. Have you heard any results about this?

Could the low ferritin cause cold hand and poor circulation in hands and feet?

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Dandelions

Dandelions

So I shouldn't take iron supplements, because my iron is already high in range, and focus on diet.

Yes.

Does that mean that when eating these foods (liver etc) my iron won't get raised, but my ferritin will?

Hopefully that will work for you, it did for me. My ferritin started to rise but it had little impact on the other results.

Do these foods contain ferritin only (without iron)?

No. Ferritin is your iron store - think of it as the pantry where you store your food. When the food runs out you go to the supermarket to restock. So ferritin stores iron.

However, there are some supplements that are supposed to be "ferritin" but I don't have a note of them. I believe Helvella does so I've tagged him and when he's around he may respond. I haven't used them so I don't know if they will improve ferritin only and not affect the other iron results.

helvella Do you have a link to your iron document, I can't find it at the moment, I'll make a note if you pop it on here, and make a note of the "ferritin" supplements too.

I remember when growing up in the Netherlands that 'appelstroop' (apple butter) was always considered a high iron food. Have you heard any results about this?

No I've not heard of that at all, but any information you care to share I'd love to hear about, it sounds lovely.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to SeasideSusie

I moved a lot of things into helvella - Vade Mecum for Thyroid - as it was difficult pointing people at lots of separate documents.

Look for the section just called Iron.

helvella - Vade Mecum for Thyroid

helvella.blogspot.com/p/hel...

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Dandelions in reply to helvella

Ah this is perfect. I was assembling my own thyroid info document, but I can just refer to your huge document from now on.

I'll read through the iron-section in the morning. Super helfpul. thanks!

And I've learned the meaning of the phrase 'Vade Mecum' ☺️

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to Dandelions

Don't miss the other documents such as my medicines document - which is even larger! And the links and references.

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helvellaAdministratorThyroid UK in reply to Dandelions

"vademecum" is widely used for medical information documents and websites in Spanish, Portuguese and some other language parts of the world. Just not familiar to those of us who have little knowledge of foreign languages. :-)

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Dandelions in reply to helvella

It's always interesting to me coming across new phrases and I like the etymology of vademecum.

I have some foreign language knowledge. My most fluent foreign language is English. 😉

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Dandelions in reply to SeasideSusie

Great. Thanks!

Yes, I like appelstroop a lot. It's mostly used as a sandwich spread. Or it's good on pancakes too.

I've just looked at the jar I've got in the cupboard and it says 17.5mg iron per 100mg.

amazon.co.uk/Rinse-Dutch-Ap... (ridiculously over-priced, but to give you an idea of what it is.)

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Dandelions

Dandelions

This is Helvella's Vade Mecum for Thyroid he mentions. Iron is dealt with from page 127 here:

drive.google.com/file/d/1P9...

Have a look through, I'm afraid I can't get my head around anything at the moment.

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Dandelions in reply to SeasideSusie

Hope you feel a bit better soon. And thanks for your help.

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