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Rant alert, latest Endo update, reduced dose again!

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Hi all I have just been on the phone with my Endocrinologist and I am really fed up with how my condition is managed. As with most people GP's and Endo's are only looking at TSH when checking my bloods to decide the dose of medicate and I have told him I don't agree with this rationale.

Both my GP and Endo told me to reduce my Levo to 100micrograms a day since my last appt in July (I am actually taking 150 and told my GP about that) My TSH is 0.2 miu/L (0.27-4.2) I have also been taking some Vitamin B12 and D supplements since then, which did make me feel a bit better. Now, today my Endo told me to reduce my Levo to 75mcg a day!

In my previous communications regarding the addition of T3, he said there was no evidence to support that I would benefit from that, besides the fact that I won't get it prescribed in my area, so I take that as a refusal to even consider prescribing T3.

Now I understand that my body may not need as much Levothyroxine as I have actually managed to lose 2 stone, now at 13st. since May this year and keep it that way by cutting out refined foods, sugar etc. But to reduce my Levothyroxine to only 75mcg seems way too low.

The other thing I mentioned to the Endo was chronic stress (financial and physical, as I am currently not working due to a back injury) and what impact it could have on my body's function to absorb or convert T4 to T3, he seems to dismiss that there could be any link at all, but he seems to think that whatever I have read on the internet cannot be evidence based because 'I found it on the internet' !

I have actually said that there is a possibility that he could be wrong, or that doctors are trained to only look at TSH to determine what dose of medication I should be on. Either way, to me it just sounds they're too arrogant to admit that Thyroid Function Tests are not always that reliable.

I am just so fed up with being fobbed off like that and would go private if I could afford to so, but I can't!

Rant over, really needed to get off my chest.

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Previous post shows you have terrible poor conversion of Ft4 to ft3

Ft3 rock bottom

Vitamin D insufficient at 30nmol

How much vitamin D are you currently taking

Vitamin D needs retesting after 3-4 months

Aiming to improve to at least around 80nmol and around 100nmol maybe better

How low was B12

Exactly what vitamin supplements are you currently taking

folate and ferritin need testing

Vitamins are low because Ft3 is low

Ft3 is low because vitamin levels are low …..and vitamin levels invariably drop when dose levothyroxine keeps getting reduced

Roughly where in U.K. are you

Which CCG area

How much do you weigh in kilo

Guidelines on dose levothyroxine by weight is 1.6mcg per kilo per day

Always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription

Do you currently take levothyroxine waking or at bedtime

Always take on empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after. No supplements within 2 hours, no vitamin D you swallow within 4 hours of levothyroxine

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Black_puma in reply to SlowDragon

I live in Sheffield and Endo said no T3 in NHS Sheffield

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Black_puma

Admittedly not many …306 prescriptions in last year

Typically 6 prescriptions per person per year = 51 people approx

openprescribing.net/analyse...

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SlowDragonAdministrator

56,700 prescriptions for T3 in England last year on NHS

openprescribing.net/analyse...

Many, many more U.K. patients forced to get T3 prescribed privately

Private T3 now at 50p per 20mcg tablet on prescription typically costs £11-15 per month

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pennyannie

Hey there again :

Can only repeat what I wrote to you on my previous post and would suggest you buy your own NDT and get the health back that you once had using this form of thyroid hormone replacement.

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Black_puma

Sorry forgot to add Vitamin D @ 42.3 nmol/L (25-50nmol/LMean cell Haemoglobin 32g/dL (33.5-37)

The are the only abnormalities I have seen on my latest blood test taken 28/09/21

No FT4, FT3, T4 or T3 values in this test unfortunately

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Black_puma

Vitamin D is far too low

Aiming for at least around 80nmol and around 100nmol maybe better

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with hashimoto’s we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

What were most recent folate, ferritin and B12 results and ranges

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Black_puma

Low mean cell haemoglobin

Suggests you are anaemic

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

You need full iron panel test for anaemia

B12 and folate tested

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Black_puma in reply to SlowDragon

Hi, thanks for that information, I'll make an appointment to talk to my GP about my low vitamin D and haemoglobin tomorrow to see if I can get a prescription for that whatever I need, unfortunately they don't test for anything much, like folate, ferritin and B12 results and ranges I would like to go privately but I'm not in a financial position to do so, have applied for some benefits but waiting for response, the only money I have coming in this week is Statutory Sick Pay and board from my youngest daughter who still lives at home.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Black_puma

Your GP should test full iron panel including ferritin

Also B12 and folate

All these can be linked to low mean cell haemoglobin

Vitamin D

GP could/should prescribe 1600iu daily for 6 months on NHS prescription

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Jazzw

I think maybe we have to stop using the words “I read on the Internet”.

Most of us are quoting research we read on the Internet—proper studies, the words of esteemed endocrinologists. And I bet most doctors actually access their research on the Internet these days too. At least, those who bother to do any reading. Which doesn’t seem to be many of them.

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Black_puma in reply to Jazzw

Doctors, especially NHS doctors, ( However this doesn't exclude private doctors, btw) are very keen to dismiss our resources as being found on the internet, though, yet they don't appear to be updating their own education and don't like being called out on it, which is what I have tried to do. That's arrogance and ignorance on their part. I am having to do my own research, like most of us, hence this we are using this site to express our frustrations with the lack of our doctors willingness to learn beyond their medical education, so it seems. their reliance on medicating based on TSH is indoctrination at best.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Black_puma

Only ever show a GP/endo official NHS or Nice Guidelines

Vitamin D

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

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Batty1

Just tell him sorry your offended by Dr. Googles vast knowledge of thyroid disease.. lol

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