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Metavive query

smilingjane
smilingjane

Evening Thyroid people

A previous poster today commented that she/he was or is taking metative.

Can anyone tell me if this is an effective replacement for Levothyrixine and Liothyroxin? If so, how do the doses work?

Many thanks

Jane 😊

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SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator

Smilingjane

Metavive is a thyroid glandular with no declared hormone content. Some people do well on it, others don't. You'd have to try it to see if it works for you. As there is no declared hormone content it's not possible to give equivalent doses.

TRbo
TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie

If there is no hormone content in this how can it replace or work instead of your own thyroid to replace what is no longer there.? Is that why I have no energy whilst using it.? Thanks for your insight.

Amandaj51
Amandaj51 in reply to TRbo

You go by temperature and increase till in normal range. I’m in it and it’s a life changer was on armour. Google dr myhill and metavive for more detailed information

Carys21
Carys21 in reply to Amandaj51

good to know, are you taking porcine metavive or bovine please?

TRbo
TRbo in reply to Carys21

I’m on porcine, are you trying Medative?

Carys21
Carys21 in reply to TRbo

I've got both to try, I'm finishing up my thyrovanz and switching due to the nightmare of buying abroad now, I was a bit put off with the neucleotides though as the 80mg of porcine is only 30mg of actual NDT so it would mean 5 capsules day for me. The bovine IV is 65mg which is closer to what I take now

Amandaj51
Amandaj51 in reply to Carys21

I take 9 capsules a day of metavive 1

Carys21
Carys21 in reply to Amandaj51

That's the 15mg equivalent, so around the same dose I take of bovine thyrovanz, cool, thanks 🙂

Stourie
Stourie in reply to Amandaj51

Hi Amanda does it not make it very expensive having to take 9 a day. Jo xx

Amandaj51
Amandaj51 in reply to Stourie

It’s about £90 a month

Stourie
Stourie in reply to Amandaj51

Quite expensive then. Thanks. Jo xx

Amandaj51,

Good to hear that you’re doing well on it. Have you had a blood test on this dose? Curious about the results. How long have you been taking it? The company changed the formula last year, roughly March 2020, have you noticed any difference since?

TRbo
TRbo in reply to Carys21

Wow I didn’t know that, I was taking 3 1/2 tablets if my old Thiroyd tablets but when I took 4 of Medative I felt the symptoms of overdosing terrible tiredness in the arms and head.

Amandaj51
Amandaj51 in reply to Carys21

Porcine

TRbo
TRbo in reply to Amandaj51

Thanks, how and when do you take your temperature and are you also on Adrenal cortex?

Amandaj51
Amandaj51 in reply to TRbo

Take it first thing in the morning and lunch and dinner time when you start. If it varies a lot morning to evening that’s adrenal wobble. Dr myhill talks of this. Increase tablets till temperature in normal range. I went from 35.5 to 36.4 in metavive

TRbo
TRbo in reply to Amandaj51

So do I just need a normal thermometer from the chemist. What is normal range? Thanks for your help, do appreciate it

helvella
helvellaAdministrator in reply to TRbo

Taking your temperature requires both a suitable thermometer and a decent technique. Precise location under the tongue can affect the reading.

Some prefer a gallium-based thermometer such as a Geratherm.

What is 100% hopeless is a forehead thermometer.

Further, temperature can vary for reasons other than thyroid hormone levels.

Thanks Amanda I will😊

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to TRbo

TRbo

There is no declared hormone content, if they declared any it would be a prescription item.

It seems to work for some people but not others. If you have no energy whilst using it then maybe you're one of the people it doesn't work for or maybe you're not taking enough.

Did you do thyroid tests before starting it? Have you done thyroid tests since you've been on it to know how or if it has affected your levels?

NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry

tattybogle
tattybogle in reply to mistydog

The precise wording is important here. Metavive , which is being discussed here, does not claim to be NDT, it say's its a n 'organ meat supplement', not does it claim to have any declared hormone content.

If it did .. THEN it would need a prescription.

But it doesn't ... so it doesn't.

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to mistydog

mistydog

NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry

I'm not talking about NDT, I'm talking about Metavive in answer to TRbo's question. Metavive is not NDT nor is it described as such, if it was it would have to be a prescription item. It is described as a thyroid glandular and is freeze dried whole thyroid gland and has no declared hormone content. If you think I'm wrong then contact The Natural Choice and ask them if there is any hormone content in Metavive.

I know you were talking about Metavive, but you said

"if they declared any it would be a prescription item "

I get NDT without prescription.

No further comment.

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to mistydog

I know you can get Thai NDT without prescription, and major branded prescription only NDT without prescription from some suppliers, but we were spelcifically discussing Metavive which is what this thread is about and what TRbo was asking about.

Thank you everybody for your responses. All a bit odd. So it is a thyroid gland and unless the poor pig was hypothyroid it would contain all the Ts.

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to smilingjane

smilingjane

The point is that there is no declared hormone content. They use the whole gland, nothing taken away and it is sold as a "thyroid glandular" as a food supplement.

When NDT is made during the production process checks are made on hormone content and it's ensured that each batch contains X amount of T4 and Y amount of T3 so they can categorically state the amount of each hormone in their product. It is assumed that no such checks are made with Metavive so they cannot declare any hormone content.

As has been reported many times on the forum, some people find Metavive effective, some don't.

Thank you Seaside SusieI will check it out in S Mahils book.

Since starting my T3 around 10 months ago, I am on 20 Ms T3 along with the 100 levo that I was on and not a difference at all!!

Admittedly I havent retested for a while. But feel just the Same.

😊

TRbo
TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie

Will get my blood results next week, , thanks I find it all very confusing, I will try and persevere with Medative as I some ways I feel better on it except for the exhaustion. Should you still take andrenal cortex with it as I did with my old ndt?

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to TRbo

TRbo

As you are taking adrenal cortex presumably this was suggested by a practioner after you did a 24 hour saliva cortisol/DHEA test and are keeping an eye on your levels? Your results should show if you need to continue and there should be no difference in taking it whether on NDT or Metavive.

TRbo
TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie

Thanks, never had it tested but started on it before the thyroid ndt, has worked till one but since on Medative don’t seem to need it.

SeasideSusie
SeasideSusieAdministrator in reply to TRbo

TRbo

If you didn't test beforehand, how do you know you needed it? There are different adrenal supplements for whether you have high cortisol or low cortisol, and taking the wrong one, or taking it when you don't need it, can do a lot of damage.

TRbo
TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie

From research and it made a huge difference at first, think I will have to start at the beginning again

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