Evening Thyroid people
A previous poster today commented that she/he was or is taking metative.
Can anyone tell me if this is an effective replacement for Levothyrixine and Liothyroxin? If so, how do the doses work?
Many thanks
Jane 😊
Evening Thyroid people
A previous poster today commented that she/he was or is taking metative.
Can anyone tell me if this is an effective replacement for Levothyrixine and Liothyroxin? If so, how do the doses work?
Many thanks
Jane 😊
Smilingjane
Metavive is a thyroid glandular with no declared hormone content. Some people do well on it, others don't. You'd have to try it to see if it works for you. As there is no declared hormone content it's not possible to give equivalent doses.
If there is no hormone content in this how can it replace or work instead of your own thyroid to replace what is no longer there.? Is that why I have no energy whilst using it.? Thanks for your insight.
You go by temperature and increase till in normal range. I’m in it and it’s a life changer was on armour. Google dr myhill and metavive for more detailed information
good to know, are you taking porcine metavive or bovine please?
I’m on porcine, are you trying Medative?
I've got both to try, I'm finishing up my thyrovanz and switching due to the nightmare of buying abroad now, I was a bit put off with the neucleotides though as the 80mg of porcine is only 30mg of actual NDT so it would mean 5 capsules day for me. The bovine IV is 65mg which is closer to what I take now
I take 9 capsules a day of metavive 1
That's the 15mg equivalent, so around the same dose I take of bovine thyrovanz, cool, thanks 🙂
Hi Amanda does it not make it very expensive having to take 9 a day. Jo xx
Wow I didn’t know that, I was taking 3 1/2 tablets if my old Thiroyd tablets but when I took 4 of Medative I felt the symptoms of overdosing terrible tiredness in the arms and head.
I also managed to overmedicate originally when I swapped from thiroyd to metavive. But metavive now works very well for me luckily!!
Am much better on it now but 3 capsules a day seems as much as I can take. How many are you taking. On this dose I can function but energy isn’t the best, but better in other ways.
I now take one metavive1 and one metavive 11 each day. I started on 4 metavive 11 and was terribly overmedicated. (previously on 3 thai thiroyd/day) - everyone told me that the metavive was very weak in comparison. But I found out the hard way, as have a lot of others that it is much stronger than we thought. I did'nt mind as at least it worked. Doing great now.
Thanks, so true, I take it 3 times a day with food and I find it working great, but I must get a tub of Medative 11 as I feel I only need 2 and a half tablets some days .
Thanks, how and when do you take your temperature and are you also on Adrenal cortex?
Take it first thing in the morning and lunch and dinner time when you start. If it varies a lot morning to evening that’s adrenal wobble. Dr myhill talks of this. Increase tablets till temperature in normal range. I went from 35.5 to 36.4 in metavive
So do I just need a normal thermometer from the chemist. What is normal range? Thanks for your help, do appreciate it
Taking your temperature requires both a suitable thermometer and a decent technique. Precise location under the tongue can affect the reading.
Some prefer a gallium-based thermometer such as a Geratherm.
What is 100% hopeless is a forehead thermometer.
Further, temperature can vary for reasons other than thyroid hormone levels.
Hi Helvella, I have the thermometer for the ear, is that accurate ?
TRbo
There is no declared hormone content, if they declared any it would be a prescription item.
It seems to work for some people but not others. If you have no energy whilst using it then maybe you're one of the people it doesn't work for or maybe you're not taking enough.
Did you do thyroid tests before starting it? Have you done thyroid tests since you've been on it to know how or if it has affected your levels?
NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry
The precise wording is important here. Metavive , which is being discussed here, does not claim to be NDT, it say's its a n 'organ meat supplement', not does it claim to have any declared hormone content.
If it did .. THEN it would need a prescription.
But it doesn't ... so it doesn't.
mistydog
NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry
I'm not talking about NDT, I'm talking about Metavive in answer to TRbo's question. Metavive is not NDT nor is it described as such, if it was it would have to be a prescription item. It is described as a thyroid glandular and is freeze dried whole thyroid gland and has no declared hormone content. If you think I'm wrong then contact The Natural Choice and ask them if there is any hormone content in Metavive.
I know you were talking about Metavive, but you said
"if they declared any it would be a prescription item "
I get NDT without prescription.
No further comment.
I know you can get Thai NDT without prescription, and major branded prescription only NDT without prescription from some suppliers, but we were spelcifically discussing Metavive which is what this thread is about and what TRbo was asking about.
Thank you everybody for your responses. All a bit odd. So it is a thyroid gland and unless the poor pig was hypothyroid it would contain all the Ts.
smilingjane
The point is that there is no declared hormone content. They use the whole gland, nothing taken away and it is sold as a "thyroid glandular" as a food supplement.
When NDT is made during the production process checks are made on hormone content and it's ensured that each batch contains X amount of T4 and Y amount of T3 so they can categorically state the amount of each hormone in their product. It is assumed that no such checks are made with Metavive so they cannot declare any hormone content.
As has been reported many times on the forum, some people find Metavive effective, some don't.
Will get my blood results next week, , thanks I find it all very confusing, I will try and persevere with Medative as I some ways I feel better on it except for the exhaustion. Should you still take andrenal cortex with it as I did with my old ndt?
TRbo
As you are taking adrenal cortex presumably this was suggested by a practioner after you did a 24 hour saliva cortisol/DHEA test and are keeping an eye on your levels? Your results should show if you need to continue and there should be no difference in taking it whether on NDT or Metavive.
Thanks, never had it tested but started on it before the thyroid ndt, has worked till one but since on Medative don’t seem to need it.
TRbo
If you didn't test beforehand, how do you know you needed it? There are different adrenal supplements for whether you have high cortisol or low cortisol, and taking the wrong one, or taking it when you don't need it, can do a lot of damage.
Amandaj51 Hi All, I have been on Nutri thyroid for last few months finally started to feel better and they have stopped making them! I’m now just about to order Metative.
Please can I ask a couple of questions: Metative I (contains 40mg) Metative II (contains 80mg) but is cheaper? What is the real difference here? I’m on 150mg Levo usually. Also I see a bovine one which I believe I saw someone write is a higher dosage? Any advise would be greatly appreciated as did so much research previously only to have to start again trying to work it al out xx
Abi40
Metative I (contains 40mg) Metative II (contains 80mg) but is cheaper? What is the real difference here?
The only difference is that Metavive ll is double the dose of Metavive l, like a 100mcg tablet of Levo is double the dose of a 50mcg tablet.
Metavive l is 180 x 40mg capsules for £28.96
Metavive ll is 90 x 80mg capsules for £25.96
Also I see a bovine one which I believe I saw someone write is a higher dosage?
Higher dosage of what? There is no declared hormone content in Metavive in either the porcine or bovine version.