Metavive query

[smilingjane]

Evening Thyroid people

A previous poster today commented that she/he was or is taking metative.

Can anyone tell me if this is an effective replacement for Levothyrixine and Liothyroxin? If so, how do the doses work?

Many thanks

Jane 😊

[SeasideSusie Remembering]

Smilingjane

Metavive is a thyroid glandular with no declared hormone content. Some people do well on it, others don't. You'd have to try it to see if it works for you. As there is no declared hormone content it's not possible to give equivalent doses.

[TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie]

If there is no hormone content in this how can it replace or work instead of your own thyroid to replace what is no longer there.? Is that why I have no energy whilst using it.? Thanks for your insight.

[Amandaj51 in reply to TRbo]

You go by temperature and increase till in normal range. I’m in it and it’s a life changer was on armour. Google dr myhill and metavive for more detailed information

[Carys21 in reply to Amandaj51]

good to know, are you taking porcine metavive or bovine please?

[TRbo in reply to Carys21]

I’m on porcine, are you trying Medative?

[Carys21 in reply to TRbo]

I've got both to try, I'm finishing up my thyrovanz and switching due to the nightmare of buying abroad now, I was a bit put off with the neucleotides though as the 80mg of porcine is only 30mg of actual NDT so it would mean 5 capsules day for me. The bovine IV is 65mg which is closer to what I take now

[Amandaj51 in reply to Carys21]

I take 9 capsules a day of metavive 1

[Carys21 in reply to Amandaj51]

That's the 15mg equivalent, so around the same dose I take of bovine thyrovanz, cool, thanks 🙂

[Stourie in reply to Amandaj51]

Hi Amanda does it not make it very expensive having to take 9 a day. Jo xx

[Amandaj51 in reply to Stourie]

It’s about £90 a month

[Stourie in reply to Amandaj51]

Quite expensive then. Thanks. Jo xx

[Serendipitious in reply to Amandaj51]

Amandaj51,

Good to hear that you’re doing well on it. Have you had a blood test on this dose? Curious about the results. How long have you been taking it? The company changed the formula last year, roughly March 2020, have you noticed any difference since?

[TRbo in reply to Carys21]

Wow I didn’t know that, I was taking 3 1/2 tablets if my old Thiroyd tablets but when I took 4 of Medative I felt the symptoms of overdosing terrible tiredness in the arms and head.

[reliablerebel in reply to TRbo]

I also managed to overmedicate originally when I swapped from thiroyd to metavive. But metavive now works very well for me luckily!!

[TRbo in reply to reliablerebel]

Am much better on it now but 3 capsules a day seems as much as I can take. How many are you taking. On this dose I can function but energy isn’t the best, but better in other ways.

[reliablerebel in reply to TRbo]

I now take one metavive1 and one metavive 11 each day. I started on 4 metavive 11 and was terribly overmedicated. (previously on 3 thai thiroyd/day) - everyone told me that the metavive was very weak in comparison. But I found out the hard way, as have a lot of others that it is much stronger than we thought. I did'nt mind as at least it worked. Doing great now.

[TRbo in reply to reliablerebel]

Thanks, so true, I take it 3 times a day with food and I find it working great, but I must get a tub of Medative 11 as I feel I only need 2 and a half tablets some days .

[reliablerebel in reply to TRbo]

Yes I find it much easier to dose when I have a bottle of each. I found 2 met11 to be too much, and one met11 not enough!

[TRbo in reply to reliablerebel]

Sorry i meant must get a tub of Medative 1

[Amandaj51 in reply to Carys21]

Porcine

[TRbo in reply to Amandaj51]

Thanks, how and when do you take your temperature and are you also on Adrenal cortex?

[Amandaj51 in reply to TRbo]

Take it first thing in the morning and lunch and dinner time when you start. If it varies a lot morning to evening that’s adrenal wobble. Dr myhill talks of this. Increase tablets till temperature in normal range. I went from 35.5 to 36.4 in metavive

[TRbo in reply to Amandaj51]

So do I just need a normal thermometer from the chemist. What is normal range? Thanks for your help, do appreciate it

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to TRbo]

Taking your temperature requires both a suitable thermometer and a decent technique. Precise location under the tongue can affect the reading.

Some prefer a gallium-based thermometer such as a Geratherm.

What is 100% hopeless is a forehead thermometer.

Further, temperature can vary for reasons other than thyroid hormone levels.

[jand123 in reply to helvella]

Hi Helvella, I have the thermometer for the ear, is that accurate ?

[helvella Administrator Thyroid UK in reply to jand123]

I am no expert but they can be reasonable.

But some who do get very involved insist their particular way of measuring is best.

As a start, try taking your temperature repeatedly and see if it gives sensible results.

[smilingjane in reply to Amandaj51]

Thanks Amanda I will😊

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to TRbo]

TRbo

There is no declared hormone content, if they declared any it would be a prescription item.

It seems to work for some people but not others. If you have no energy whilst using it then maybe you're one of the people it doesn't work for or maybe you're not taking enough.

Did you do thyroid tests before starting it? Have you done thyroid tests since you've been on it to know how or if it has affected your levels?

[mistydog in reply to SeasideSusie]

NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry

[tattybogle in reply to mistydog]

The precise wording is important here. Metavive , which is being discussed here, does not claim to be NDT, it say's its a n 'organ meat supplement', not does it claim to have any declared hormone content.

If it did .. THEN it would need a prescription.

But it doesn't ... so it doesn't.

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to mistydog]

mistydog

NDT contains hormones and is not on prescription. Your comment is wrong, sorry

I'm not talking about NDT, I'm talking about Metavive in answer to TRbo's question. Metavive is not NDT nor is it described as such, if it was it would have to be a prescription item. It is described as a thyroid glandular and is freeze dried whole thyroid gland and has no declared hormone content. If you think I'm wrong then contact The Natural Choice and ask them if there is any hormone content in Metavive.

[mistydog in reply to SeasideSusie]

I know you were talking about Metavive, but you said

"if they declared any it would be a prescription item "

I get NDT without prescription.

No further comment.

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to mistydog]

I know you can get Thai NDT without prescription, and major branded prescription only NDT without prescription from some suppliers, but we were spelcifically discussing Metavive which is what this thread is about and what TRbo was asking about.

[smilingjane in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thank you everybody for your responses. All a bit odd. So it is a thyroid gland and unless the poor pig was hypothyroid it would contain all the Ts.

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to smilingjane]

smilingjane

The point is that there is no declared hormone content. They use the whole gland, nothing taken away and it is sold as a "thyroid glandular" as a food supplement.

When NDT is made during the production process checks are made on hormone content and it's ensured that each batch contains X amount of T4 and Y amount of T3 so they can categorically state the amount of each hormone in their product. It is assumed that no such checks are made with Metavive so they cannot declare any hormone content.

As has been reported many times on the forum, some people find Metavive effective, some don't.

[smilingjane in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thank you Seaside SusieI will check it out in S Mahils book.

Since starting my T3 around 10 months ago, I am on 20 Ms T3 along with the 100 levo that I was on and not a difference at all!!

Admittedly I havent retested for a while. But feel just the Same.

😊

[TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie]

Will get my blood results next week, , thanks I find it all very confusing, I will try and persevere with Medative as I some ways I feel better on it except for the exhaustion. Should you still take andrenal cortex with it as I did with my old ndt?

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to TRbo]

TRbo

As you are taking adrenal cortex presumably this was suggested by a practioner after you did a 24 hour saliva cortisol/DHEA test and are keeping an eye on your levels? Your results should show if you need to continue and there should be no difference in taking it whether on NDT or Metavive.

[TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thanks, never had it tested but started on it before the thyroid ndt, has worked till one but since on Medative don’t seem to need it.

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to TRbo]

TRbo

If you didn't test beforehand, how do you know you needed it? There are different adrenal supplements for whether you have high cortisol or low cortisol, and taking the wrong one, or taking it when you don't need it, can do a lot of damage.

[TRbo in reply to SeasideSusie]

From research and it made a huge difference at first, think I will have to start at the beginning again

[Abi40]

Amandaj51 Hi All, I have been on Nutri thyroid for last few months finally started to feel better and they have stopped making them! I’m now just about to order Metative.

Please can I ask a couple of questions: Metative I (contains 40mg) Metative II (contains 80mg) but is cheaper? What is the real difference here? I’m on 150mg Levo usually. Also I see a bovine one which I believe I saw someone write is a higher dosage? Any advise would be greatly appreciated as did so much research previously only to have to start again trying to work it al out xx

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to Abi40]

Abi40

Metative I (contains 40mg) Metative II (contains 80mg) but is cheaper? What is the real difference here?

The only difference is that Metavive ll is double the dose of Metavive l, like a 100mcg tablet of Levo is double the dose of a 50mcg tablet.

Metavive l is 180 x 40mg capsules for £28.96

Metavive ll is 90 x 80mg capsules for £25.96

Also I see a bovine one which I believe I saw someone write is a higher dosage?

Higher dosage of what? There is no declared hormone content in Metavive in either the porcine or bovine version.

[Abi40 in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thank you so much really appreciate the reply! I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t any other difference and it was that Metative II is the higher dose but less caps than Metative I.I will go ahead and give this a go.