We'll stop you getting sick, says NHS chief :
Bin men to help doctors target vulnerable people :
I know the devil maybe in the detail - but I'm looking forward to this already ??
We'll stop you getting sick, says NHS chief :
Bin men to help doctors target vulnerable people :
I know the devil maybe in the detail - but I'm looking forward to this already ??
I don't know about anywhere else but the bin men don't come to our houses, we take our bins/recycling to a collection point which is outside one house at the entrance to our short pedestrian lane. They wouldn't know where any of us lived if they saw us.
I can imagine a few ways they might do this
1) Ban foods which come from an animal source and get everyone eating loads of grains. Children will all be malnourished and diabetic by the age of 10.
2) Create vaccines for every disease known to man and make it mandatory for us to have them all.
3) Make the denial of chronic disease and chronic pain complete by refusing to treat it and instead treat us all with anti-depressants, statins and CBT.
4) Make exercise mandatory for everyone, irrespective of their ability to do so, and accept no excuses in people with no visible health problems.
I haven't read the article, by the way.
Hi Humanbean, I love most of your posts but would like to query your point 1. My youngest daughter went vegetarian at a very young age then vegan which worried e dreadfully. Older daughter was vegetarian from about 11 (son normal) and has been vegan for about 15 years. Both daughters are healthy and the older one, who does a physically demanding job, was recently tested (medically) and found to have excellent levels of everything, including B12, though she never supplements. I would just like people to know that humans can be very healthy on a diet with nothing from an animal, with no fish and nothing like eggs etc.
I have no problems at all with people eating however they want.
What I object to is the increasing number of articles, videos, TV programs and films I come across that tell me I must eat a certain way (and there are plenty of suggestions that it will eventually become mandatory), when what I want is to eat the way that humans have for millennia. And by wanting to eat a diet containing animal products it is insinuated that I am responsible for climate change.
Before humans killed so many of them off there were many, many millions of bison in the world, both in the USA and Europe. Massive herds of grazing animals used to roam Africa. Those animals didn't cause climate change in times gone by, but now cows have to be gotten rid of because they are going to destroy the climate/planet? I simply don't believe it.
Many rich people want us all to eat processed food because it brings in huge profits. Many processed products contain added sugar and it is disguised in many ways with many different names. And grains are cheap - they are far less labour intensive to produce than producing animals for food.
There are also people who have become vegan who haven't a clue how to do it safely and have ended up seriously ill. (Look up people who became vegan and then went back to animal products on Youtube.) And some people who do have an idea of what they were doing ended up getting sick anyway because a vegan diet isn't suitable for everyone - we all have our own existing health problems that can change what we need to eat to maintain the best possible health.
The EAT Lancet diet (otherwise known as "The Planetary Health Diet") is what the Powers-That-Be would like us to eat. And it is nutritionally deficient.
And the companies supporting the EAT Lancet diet are all processed food companies.
If we get rid of grazing animals, particularly on ground that can be used for growing crops where is the fertiliser to come from? I'm on shaky ground with this but I've read it comes from oil. I think much currently fertile ground will end up becoming sterile dust.
Climate change is caused by burning fossil fuels, and yet we are being brainwashed into believing that eating cows is what is causing the problem. And for anyone who talks about cow farts, you're worrying about the wrong end. Cows burp and produce methane when they do so - but of course farts are considered more disgusting, so farts get all the blame. However, I wonder if the poor diet that cows are forced to eat in feed lots in the US are more to blame than anything else. Apparently, if cows were allowed to live beyond the age they usually get slaughtered in the US they would get sick and die anyway because their diet is so poor, and so unlike what they would eat in nature. Does it make a difference to the amount of methane they produce? I don't know. But the solution appears to be we have to stop eating them. Since nobody will pay to keep them alive if they can't be sold for profit they will eventually get wiped out as a major population.
Another issue is that a huge proportion of land on the planet is not suitable for growing crops, but it can be used for animal husbandry. But if eating cows gets banned then what will people in those areas live on?
And finally, too high an intake of carbs is known to increase the risk of insulin resistance and diabetes.
Sorry but you got me going on one of my hobby horses. I'm not keen on discussing this subject really, because I know it gets a lot of people worked up (including me), and the insults get very personal in such conversations. I just want people to be allowed to eat how they want, whether that involves lots of processed food, lots of grains, lots of meat, or lots of fruit and veg. But what I'm expecting if the rich and powerful get their way is famine, malnourishment, ill health, stunting, and shorter life spans. I'm thinking that H G Wells describing the Morlocks might have been prophecy, not fiction.
I read carefully your reply, however I'm an ethical vegan, and ethical also in the sense of respecting others' rights to choose what they eat. The only point I wanted to be clear about is that although some vegans are malnourished, so also some omnivores are malnourished and there are many reasons for that.
In terms of malnourishment, I agree. Anyone who eats poorly can be malnourished. Women are at particular risk of anaemia as well because of pregnancy, giving birth, heavy periods etc. And in some parts of the world the best food/most food is reserved for men, while women get very little, so they end up unhealthy that way too.
I wasn't trying to upset you, by the way. You just happened to choose a subject which gets me quite worked up.
I’d be happier if they emptied the bins instead of chucking everything over the floor
For people with good enough eyesight, the front page of The Times can be read here :
Edit : Ignore this post. The link only showed the front page of The Times for a day.
For those with possibly less good eyesight, try this:
(Might not work beyond today - not sure.)
Hope bin men get paid more for extra responsibility!!!
Quite how do think the bin man job description may change so to qualify him/her for a pay rise ?
Well it’s time title was changed . It’s very’sexist’isnt it !!! Can’t think of a good new title yet . Any ideas anyone ????
I'm just thinking of the wording of the new job description - and yes, of course, equal opportunity !!!
Their job title is refuse collector
As an HR person in a previous life, I’m imagining the conversations with the unions to get this introduced. Especially now it’s been plastered over the newspapers, presumably before any such staff consultations have been even thought about.
Oh don’t mention that. When I worked in Birmingham there was a huge legal ‘Equal Pay’ challenge between bin men and dinner ladies. The City Council dragged their heels so much and refused to settle. They did eventually but it virtually bankrupt the council.
Although I had to go to umpteen meetings about it, it was always a bit beyond me. I think the crux of it was that bin men had the opportunity or overtime but women weren’t allowed to be bin men. 🙄
If that was the " crux " I'd hate to try and work out the rest of it - I'm now totally confused with bins, dinners and who clears up ???
I never quite managed it. I used to doodle after about an hour of listening to all the argibarge. 😎
Well, doodles good, especially now - it's freeing expression, and good for your mental health.
I love doodling - and colouring 🤣
Well there's hope for you too:
Well exactly. The women didn’t want to be bin persons anyway - and the bin men didn’t want to be dinner ladies. It was just a sacred cow that gave the unions something to argue about.
Why on earth do they think we have the resources for all this.
About 18 months ago I found one of my neighbours (A) outside looking lost and clutching a letter. I asked him if he was OK, and he thrust the letter at me, which was an out-patient appointment at a hospital about 30mins away.
I took him home, and he'd got all his paperwork on his dining table - I asked him if I could have a look. I found a discharge letter dated 1 month previous from the memory clinic, full of numbers to call, and various organisations to contact if he needed help. A could not use the phone - communication was mainly me asking questions and A nodding. He did understand what I was saying. I tried to arrange transport for his hospital trip, but as he had dementia they wouldn't take him on his own. I took him.
There's a lot more, but my point is that they just discharged A without contacting Adult Services (who were pretty much useless - more interested in knowing whether he could afford to pay for care than actually helping him).
He is now in residential care, and I'm hoping to see him soon. He survived Covid.
It's simply beyond belief -
I wonder if these people have any idea of how things actually are in ordinary every day life :
So sad for your neighbour :
Sending a hug :
A lucky man to be found by you and not a bin man pushed for time.It's a monumental mess.
I had a similar experience a couple of years ago. Found a man stumbling around getting upset holding a letter when I went for an MRI.
I asked if I could help and when he gave me a letter to read it was for a blood test. The poor chap couldn’t read. He knew he was at the right hospital but not why.
A could read - he could cope with 1 letter at a time. He used to check every day by reading a word or 2, I'd see him looking and mouthing the words, then nodding his head "OK got that still" He could get the odd sentence out too, but then it would all just get jumbled.
I did find some family for him - found the contact no in the back of his passport, but they are getting on a bit and live in Derbyshire, and we are in Herts. They did come and see him a couple of times before lockdown, and are informed how he is doing.
I still find it incomprehensible that they discharged him without putting something in place. Its so sad when people need help and have no-one.
I think he would be laughed all the way to the refuse dump if that was suggested in Scotland....has he never visited the countryside where bins are often moved some distance to main roads for rubbish collection ( in the entire UK) let alone watched bin men running along the country's streets rushing to get their job done
Our bins are emptied in the early morning, we never see the bin men. The bins from our house, which is through an archway, are taken out in the evening away from the house. The bin men wouldn't know if we'd been dead in here for a week let alone "too frail to put out the rubbish".
Ex BBC The Papers
"The head of the NHS in England, Sir Simon Stevens, tells the Times that the success of the vaccination programme has given the health service a blueprint for the future.
He thinks it shows the importance of disease prevention, with health workers seeking out the most vulnerable to help them stay well, rather than waiting for them to become ill.
He suggests, for example, refuse collectors could alert GPs when residents become too frail to put out the rubbish."
If this is an example of future NHS strategies then I fear thyroid disease will sink in the morass!
Sorry all.....I'm ranting again
It's good to rant and get rid of it - just don't put it out for the dustman to collect !!!
It's all too much -I might lay down but I've mowed my lawn so I guess if anybody had seen me, I'm ok ?
It’s already in the morass DD 😡.
I thought they got the milkman and the postman on track with this wonderful initiative years ago
Milkmen ! now you're talking .... they used to know everything.
We had a lovely jolly one called Colin, who couldn't count well enough to work your change out correctly, but could tell you exactly who was sleeping with who. and what they'd had for dinner on a thursday. (he used to collect recipes at the same time as his bill)
Aah yes. All the milkmen were Colins 🤣
I thought it was Ernie ?
Oh of course. Silly me. It was their brothers who were Colins 😉
Maybe they'll also take us to hospital in a bin.
We could go out with the recycling - maybe with grass cuttings - as this service is probably a bit slower in the winter months and they may well have excess capacity - provided of course that you had renewed your yearly subscription.
When they find me dead after the bin men have failed to recognise my frailty they will maybe remove me from the house in a wheelie bin tastefully lined with bin bags and attended by Refuse Operatives!!Multi tasking!!
If we didn't laugh we'd cry!
My bin—once emptied—is nearly always left outside my neighbour’s house instead of mine. I’m not sure they know where I live. So even less sure they’d notice if I stopped putting it out.
I thought when I saw the headline it was going to be something about what they may have spotted in my bin, like empty packets of thyroid hormones or painkillers.
Do I remember some controversy a few years ago, where a Council put hidden cameras in bins to check recyclable stuff wasn't being thrown in rubbish bins?
You had me laughing away about councils.My council went viral with there repair of pot-holes a few years ago.You got me laughing looking that up again!
That's hilarious....But Weetabix sets harder.... and they're much cheaper.
It's a nice idea , but in reality the places where there's "one bin per driveway" are more likely to have better off inhabitants, in better health, with neighbours who'd notice a problem before the fortnightly bin collection anyway..... whereas the places that are more likely to have residents with health problems. like where i live, have one 90' long alley for 14 houses some split into 2 or 3 or 6 flats, with 27 bins, most of which have the wrong number written on them as they've been 'liberated' from round the corner. .... i wish the bin folk the best of luck with that one.
Mind you.... some of the yellow commercial bins have people living in them ... so that makes a problem easier to spot i suppose.
Edit .. i know this cos i've just moved the bins to mow the grass in the alley... it makes quite a good cricket pitch.
Will they be monitoring skips as well?
Its a thoughtful notion maybe a load of rubbish though (pardon the pun)........Think the days of your interaction with the postie/milkman/binman are in the past for the majority of us.Just the other day the binman here never pulled out the 86 year old elderly mother’s recyclables.Applied for a pull out as they class it as she’s vulnerable.That’s twice in the past few weeks.So if there was a problem I can’t see that being of any help.Do know that he will be vulnerable if he does it again.I will just let the wee prim and proper supergran of the leash.When she has the hackles up she’s still got the agility of the karate kid!
What planet do these people live on! I hope they will be teaching the binmen first aid. Our area is switching to new super recycling with open boxes instead of plastic sacks and wheelie bins or seagull sacks. The local paper is full of letters from elderly residents who can just about drag a plastic sack up steps and paths but can't carry boxes as they won't have a spare hand to hold on to a rail. Lots of scope for elderly people to fall there. It won't affect me though, our bin collection is similar to Seaside Susie's but the new super recycling collection lorries are so huge they won't fit down the road to collect it whether we leave it out in sacks or boxes!
I pick up any rubbish outside my house because people empty their cars out when they park outside and just leave it there the bin men never pick up after they drop rubbish and neither does anyone else that’s with out what blows into my garden or dropped into my bin so that would be interesting 🤔
Bin men.... My bin was in my bay for 12 days when I was in hospital, it remained their with rotting bin bags, they never took it out or informed the housing association where I live that my bin had not moved,... So much for them.. 🤷♀️
The devil may well be in the detail (literally)!!
When I lived in Greece everyone took their rubbish to the nearest wheelie bin. In our case at the end of the road ! I was an 'expert' at tossing the small bag into the bin from the car window !
Recycling for coloured bottles and cans wa a little further away in the village.
Our village enjoyed regular collections from wheelie bins as the local Mayor lived there ! - or did I imagine that ??
Thank goodness the extended Greek families look out for their elderly rellies as dustmen wouldn't have a clue !
Thank you all for a very entertaining thread . Only just caught up with it all .
We need to laugh. Things get more and more bizarre
You started a brilliant thread. Very entertaining and so true
Sounds more like an April fool gag to me. Our bin men already open all the bins before taking them to see what's in them just in case a plastic bag has ended up in the recycle bin. Not at all sure I'd be happy with this anyway as it could well breach privacy laws
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