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Hello. 62yo woman with Hashimoto's and a 3mm thyroid nodule noone is interested in. I've been taking 100mcg levo since 2003. My last TSH blood test came back 0.05. I take 100mcg levo every morning just as per the instructions but every now and then I get a bizarre result like that. The ever-changing band of locums at the surgery then immediately lower the dose. I get all the symptoms back and we have to go round the roundabout again.

I've never had a T3 test but I was referred for cortisol, which was normal. The nodule has grown by 1mm since discovered but they don't think its cancerous.

The GP said she had no idea why testing throws up these random results. I suggested via Dr Google that the nodule could be a solitary toxic adenoma. I was sent for an US but no diagnosis was offered, just that it was the same size as last time. They seem to have lost interest. I in the meantime am gaining weight, losing my hair, eyebrows and eyelashes and my skin is thin and dry.

Any suggestions as to how I can make a medic take notice, gratefully received. Covid telephone consultations and cancelled clinics haven't helped.

Thank you.

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Just testing TSH is completely inadequate

Do you always get same brand of levothyroxine?

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested. Also EXTREMELY important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common, especially as you have Hashimoto’s

Ask GP to test vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH and optimal vitamin levels improves conversion of Ft4 to Ft3

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

Last dose of Levothyroxine 24 hours prior to blood test. (taking delayed dose immediately after blood draw).

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip, best not mentioned to GP or phlebotomist)

Is this how you do your tests?

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or thyroid antibodies or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

If you can get GP to test vitamins then cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/thyr...

Medichecks - JUST vitamin testing including folate - DIY finger prick test

medichecks.com/products/nut...

Medichecks often have special offers, if order on Thursdays

As you have Hashimoto’s are you on strictly gluten free diet?

Or dairy free diet?

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Blobby1234 in reply toSlowDragon

No special diet, no other meds and I take a VitB and Vit D supplement every day.

I have tried to get this testing done but all I got was "T3 is an expensive and unreliable test and" if you're worried about Vitamin levels, take a multivitamin". Pat on the head.

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Yes thousands on here forced to test privately in order to make progress

Don’t take multivitamins

Test first ...only supplement what’s required

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Blobby1234 in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. I think private testing is the only way I'm going to get anywhere. No doubt GP will be narked at my going over her head. Many thanks for your advice.

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Come back with new post once you get results

If vitamins are low, first step is to improve them by self supplementing....or if deficient GP should prescribe

Low vitamin levels would suggest poor gut function and common to have hidden gluten intolerance

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first

healthcheckshop.co.uk/store...?

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially)

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/300...

The obtained results suggest that the gluten-free diet may bring clinical benefits to women with autoimmune thyroid disease

nuclmed.gr/wp/wp-content/up...

In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

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shawsAdministrator in reply toBlobby1234

This comment:-

""T3 is an expensive and unreliable test and" if you're worried about Vitamin levels, take a multivitamin".

just goes to show how inept the 'expert' is with regard to thyroid hormone tests, especially T3 - and his/her comment just shows that T3 is very low in their system to make such stupid responses.

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