Declining temps on ndt?

[jconnor123]

Ive been logging my waking temps and pulse and they are definitely lower. I feel noticeably more cold as well. Its been about just over 2 weeks at this point. This normal does anyone know?

[Lora7again]

Perhaps you need an increase of a 1/4 grain. I didn't take my temperature because I am permanently cold especially my hands and feet.

[jconnor123 in reply to Lora7again]

Yeah i think i might start taking 1/4 grain in the afternoon from today. My hands and feet are cold as well

[Cooper27]

If you're female and menstruating, then a fluctuation is normal throughout the month, it relates to your hormone levels. I think you would need to monitor over a month to understand how your temperature is fluctuating away from hormonal influences.

Are you using a basal thermometer?

[Lora7again in reply to Cooper27]

He is a young man I'm afraid. Just to add a lot of people make the same mistake because thyroid disease is mainly a female complaint.

[LivingWithHT in reply to Lora7again]

Lol, a lot of diseases are mainly found occurring in women...yippee! 😩🤪

[Cooper27 in reply to Lora7again]

I did say if a woman

I think it can be very important to take temp with a good quality thermometer. Many off the shelf digital thermometers have a shocking accuracy range. I have one that's typically always off by 0.2-1.3 degrees compared to my accurate one.

[jconnor123 in reply to Cooper27]

I am using a mercury free glass thermometer

[Cooper27 in reply to jconnor123]

That should be more accurate than mine.

Luckily as a male, your hormone cycle is 24 hrs, so if you take every morning around the same time, you should be pretty steady from day to day. Any trends will be more readily apparent.

[jconnor123 in reply to Cooper27]

Yea

I have added an extra 1/4 grain in the afternoon from today n will add 1/4 grain every week till i get to 2 grains , will be interesting to see if my temps rise a bit now

[LivingWithHT]

Which NDT are you using? WP Thyroid or the new Tru Thyroid? I have already tried the latter and it doesn’t work for me. As for WP Thyroid, a lot of people have reported it is no longer working for them and their hypo symptoms have been returning while on its new formulation (which is the WP Thyroid that is now being sold.)

Most NDTs on the market are no longer working well due to quality issues.

The only two that people still seem to be benefiting from are Thyroid S and Armour Thyroid.

[jconnor123 in reply to LivingWithHT]

Im on the new tru thyroid right now. Yeah have heard the same regarding the american prescription ndts , a lot of people seem to say the same thing. Im not sure, despite my temps dropping, i honestly feel a lot better. I seem to be able to go most of the day without needing any extra sleep and i feel more chilled out but wasnt expecting it to lower my temps like it has

[pennyannie]

Hello Jconnor

If you are taking TruThyroid it is in 1/2 grain tablets - please remember this as I think this needs to be mentioned as all other NDT come in 1 grain tablets, and people may assume your NDT is like theirs.

You dose NDT to the relief of symptoms and slowly, weekly, increase by 1/4 of a 1 grain tablet - so in your case you increase by 1/2 of 1 tablet :

When you reach 2 grains - in your case 4 tablets you hold that dose for 6 weeks and let this dose bed in taking a blood test at the end of the 6 weeks to see if there have been any improvements from your bench mark numbers from before you started this experiment.

Your TSH will be low/suppressed, your T4 should be lower than when on synthetic T4 and your T3 proportionately higher than before.

If you can see and feel improvements in your T3 and are happy to continue you start again nudging up the NDT by 1/4 grains so in your case 1/2 a tablet.

When you up a dose, and feel at bit worse than the week before, edginess, nervous, jitters, drop back down to the dose you were on the previous week and that is your dose on NDT - wait 6 weeks again, letting the dose bed in, and if you wish take another blood test for your reference.

No thyroid hormone replacement works effectively if ferritin, folate, B12 and vitamin D are not maintained at optimal levels.

I read most people end up on around 2 - 4 grains of NDT but this is just a ball park as no two of us start off on this experiment from the same place with the same health issues.

[jconnor123 in reply to pennyannie]

Thank you. I have had my nutrients checked not long ago and they are within range , i eat as healthy as i can because like you say if there are defiencies then the tablets wont work as well which ive read before. Im thinking about upping by 1/4 today as i dont have any negative symptoms as such , besides the low body temps

[pennyannie in reply to jconnor123]

OK - so as you slowly increase by 1/4 grain a week, which if you are taking Tru Thyroid is 1/2 of a tablet you should see your temperature slowly rises - mine started at 35.8 and when I'd finished my experiment with NDT I was at 36.6 which seems to be " my temperature " .

Then as already explained wait at 2 full grains for 6 weeks and if you wish, that is when you take a blood test, as your results should show improvements from the bench you took before you started NDT.

Being in range is not the same as being optimal - some ranges are very wide - from experience I like to keep my ferritin at around 100 for optimal thyroid hormone conversion.

If hypothyroid you are likely to have low stomach acid and in turn you will not be metabolising and not breaking down the nutrients and goodness in your food, so you may still need to supplement core strength vitamins and minerals.

The blood tests were introduced along side synthetic T4 in the 1960s to replace NDT.

NDT doesn't need blood tests, as you dose to the relief of your symptoms.

[jconnor123 in reply to pennyannie]

Did they need blood tests alongside synthetic t4 because it's harder for your body to convert compared the t4 naturally occuring in ndt? My stomach acid is definitely low, that's one of the things I hope improves on this tru thyroid. thank you very much for that dosing info

[pennyannie in reply to jconnor123]

I don't know but would think years ago doctors just treated symptoms and NDT would be increased until you, the patient felt better.

I read the average person uses about 50 T3 daily, just to function, so if you are not able to convert the T4 whether it be " so called " natural or synthetic, you'll need around 5/6 grains of NDT.

If this is the case you'll probably be better off taking T3 only as the T4 content is just building up in your system, possibly causing other unnecessary symptoms.

If you know you stomach acid is low you need to put this right first, as previously explained as this will impact on your vitamin and mineral levels.

[jconnor123 in reply to pennyannie]

Oh ok , I was just wondering. I dont have any conversion problems that I know of but ill see where my ft4 levels are at when i next get a blood test