Hi all! NEED HELP. PLEASE. I went to a holistic chiropractor and she's certified in so many different things i think functional medicine is one. She did muscle testing and it pointed to my thyroid that my issues were stemming from . She didn't perform bloodwork but i told her i do in fact have thyroid nodules. I gave nocturnal panic attcks almost every morning . 2 yrs sho my bloodwork has always said it was in the ultra low level of " normal" so endo doc in past never gave me medicine fit thyroid. Should i try this product from her??? She seems really good just nervous thanks
Not sure what's the cause but she gave me VER VITA Thyroid Regenerzyme supplement think it's called. It's natural but has high dose iodine 12mg . Anybody try this product AMD have similar situation to me?? a anybody take high dose of iodine before???? if so how much & did it make an amazing difference. Im 38 for the record. Anybody's goiter nodules shrink from taking iodine?? thanks !!!! please help
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I absolutely agree with Hidden , that is a terrible thing to give someone who is hypo - or even someone that suspects they're hypo! Iodine is an absolute no-no for hypos - or anyone else, come to that - unless they have been tested and found to be deficient. And, even then, it should be taken under the supervision of a competent, experienced medical practitioner. And she doesn't appear to be either!
And why on earth does it contain lithium? Taking lithium causes hypothyroidism. It doesn't help or cure it. I think you should avoid this product like the plague and never see this person again. And, you paid for this? It's really quite shocking!
thanks for your comment. I have not been diagnosed with hypo but 2 yrs ago right before i gave birth my bloodwork showed absolute low end of " normal" . I have had past bloodwork that showed i was deficient in iodine but later i fixed that but who knows now. I haven' had any bloodwork since pregnancy my baby is now 15 months.
From the company's own website, you can, if so minded, read some utter bilge. (I'll not post a link as I have no desire for anyone to visit it.)
Why it Works
The thyroid gland can be called the “mother of happiness” because it generates the hormones necessary for the joy of the human experience: a happy brain, a happy heart and the intuitive wisdom for achieving our dreams. Like its shield shape, the thyroid also acts as a “shield” from negativity. It is also important for metabolism and support of the adrenals and kidneys.
Over 27 million Americans have thyroid conditions and this number continues to increase. Speculation about thyroid issues centers on food additives, nutritionally depleted foods, stress, microwave radiation and electromagnetic frequencies (cell phones, televisions and computers).
An underactive thyroid may cause fatigue, weight gain, dry skin and hair, hair loss, brittle nails, depression, low sex drive, low blood pressure, irregular and/or painful menstrual periods and high cholesterol. The thyroid can also be overactive creating symptoms of nervousness, insomnia, exhaustion, weight loss, excessive hunger, pounding heart, shaky hands and light or no menstrual periods. Balance is needed.
ReGenerZyme Thyroid was formulated to hydrate, balance and restore the energy of the thyroid so it can produce hormones needed for metabolism, normal body function and a healthy, stable emotional state.
Key Ingredients
Glandulars: Bovine thyroid tissue is a natural, thyroxin-free, comprehensive hormone extract from beef thyroid for replenishing the corresponding nutrients and all four hormones produced by the thyroid.
Minerals: Potassium iodate, yielding 12 mg of elemental iodine, this mineral plays a vital role in increasing hormone production as the thyroid uses iodine to make hormones. The thyroid requires iodine to produce hormones T3 and T4, both of which help control efficient calorie use. Insufficient iodine may cause weight gain and fatigue. Iodine is also involved in regulating the Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), ATP energy production and the conversion of adipose (fat tissue) to energy. Iodine protects the thyroid and other glandular tissues from radiation damage.
Minerals: A minute amount of lithium orotate has been added to bring balance and calm to the thyroid and brain. Rubidium assists in the process of healthy thyroid hormone production. Selenium helps recycle iodine, which is vital for hormone production.
The ridiculous clash between the label saying "thyroxin free" and the claim that the thyroid tissue replenishing "all four hormones produced by the thyroid". (Does that include of exclude calcitonin? Or rT3?)
They are the words of the worst sort of snake oil salesmen.
Hmmm…. Can't remember my thyroid ever bringing me joy. Quite the opposite! But, at least they got away from the old butterfly-shaped cliché, quite refreshing to hear it called a 'shield'. Even if a shield that shape wouldn't afford much protection! lol
No - they have Schmetterling (plural Schmetterlinge).
From an East Central German dialect word, equivalent to Schmetten (“cream”) + -ling, due to an old belief that butterflies eat milk products or, in a more ornamented form, that witches transform themselves into butterflies in order to steal such products.
But I recently found that the Welsh for butterfly is pili pala. Which is oddly nice! Wonder if Wendy Craig knows?
Tried to say - that is very good- in German but of course predictive text got in the way ! Don't worry I will drop Wendy a note !! Pili pala sounds Italian to me .... 🕊
thank you for your suggestion. I just want a solution and no doc can tell me what is goin on with me how i wake up every morning straight from sleep into a panic attack and a lot of symptoms are like thyroid issues and i sure have nodules & goiter. I want to feel normal no brain fog better memory focus happiness... I want to try something!! Any true tried natural thyroid stuff out there for situation similar? this is a glandular.
I suffered for 5 yrs having horrible panic attacks that was unexplainable I saw one doctor after another for them and always came away empty handed and it wasn’t until 3 yrs ago when my eye popped out of the socket did my (eye doctor) finally diagnose me with possible thyroid disorder (I never had any bad thyroid test)prior to my eye popping out.
I always knew I had thyroid nodules, no indication according to the blood test that something was wrong (antibodies never tested) and US and FNB were always good.
After my eye popped out I saw ENDO and he did biopsy again and was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and had my thyroid removed in 2016 and happy to say my panic attacks are gone but living without a thyroid has it’s own set of problems.
Hey! wow im sorry but glad panics are gone.. But wow. So i had biopsy long time ago and it cane back inconclusive... I thought bit came back normal because i didn't hear back... I found out later from another doc that they didn't get enough sample! So once this whole virus is done i gotta do it again.... ive heard iodine helps but we see ugh
bloodwork ultra low level of " normal"doesn't help anyone here to understand your situation. That could mean your TSH is very low, indicating possible hypERthyroidism, or that your FT4 is very low, indicating possible hypOthyroidism. Please obtain the actual test result numbers, with reference ranges and post them here so that people can offer more informed suggestions to help you.
Recommended daily allowance of iodine is 150mcg which, if you are in the UK, is easily obtained from every day foods - milk, yogurt, white fish, scampi, etc. Iodine deficiency in the UK is uncommon.
As already said, iodine should not be supplemented unless tested and found to be deficient, and then under the guidance of an experienced practioner. As for this practioner - I urge you to stop wasting your money on her and run away very fast, especially as you say "She seems really good just nervous" - what on earth is she nervous about - the fact that someone may rumble that she may be a rubbish practioner?
As Greygoose has suggtested, get the full thyroid/vitamin panel done and if you are in the UK the either of these two tests will tell you all you need to know:
Both tests include the full thyroid and vitamin panel. They are basically the same test but with the following small differences:
For the fingerprick test:
Blue Horizon requires 1 x microtainer of blood (0.8ml), Medichecks requires 2 x microtainers (total 1.6ml)
Blue Horizon includes Total T4 (can be useful but not essential). Medichecks doesn't include this test.
B12 - Blue Horizon does Total B12 which measures bound and unbound (active) B12 but doesn't give a separate result for each. Medichecks does Active B12.
Total B12 shows the total B12 in the blood. Active B12 shows what's available to be taken up by the cells. You can have a reasonable level of Total B12 but a poor level of Active B12. (Personally, I would go for the Active B12 test.)
Blue Horizon include magnesium but this is an unreliable test so don't let this sway your decision, it also tests cortisol but that's a random cortisol test and to make any sense of it you'd need to do it fasting before 9am I believe.
When doing thyroid tests, we advise:
* Book the first appointment of the morning, or with private tests at home no later than 9am. This is because TSH is highest early morning and lowers throughout the day. If we are looking for a diagnosis of hypothyroidism, or looking for an increase in dose or to avoid a reduction then we need TSH to be as high as possible.
* Fast overnight - have your evening meal/supper as normal the night before but delay breakfast on the day of the test and drink water only until after the blood draw. Eating may lower TSH, caffeine containing drinks affect TSH.
* If taking thyroid hormone replacement, last dose of Levo should be 24 hours before blood draw, if taking NDT or T3 then last dose should be 8-12 hours before blood draw. Adjust timing the day before if necessary. This avoids measuring hormone levels at their peak after ingestion of hormone replacement. Take your thyroid meds after the blood draw. Taking your dose too close to the blood draw will give false high results, leaving any longer gap will give false low results.
* If you take Biotin or a B Complex containing Biotin (B7), leave this off for 7 days before any blood test. This is because if Biotin is used in the testing procedure it can give false results (most labs use biotin).
These are patient to patient tips which we don't discuss with doctors or phlebotomists.
2 yrs sho my bloodwork has always said it was in the ultra low level of " normal" so endo doc in past never gave me medicine fit thyroid.
People often come here and say that their thyroid is low. Unfortunately this is very misleading.
In hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) :
TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) is high in range or above range.
Free T4 is low in range or below range.
Free T3 is low in range or below range.
In hyperthyroidism (overactive thyroid) :
TSH is well below range i.e. very low.
Free T4 is well over the range.
Free T3 is well over the range.
So when people say that their thyroids are low it isn't absolutely certain which condition they have. Is their TSH very low (i.e. they are hyperthyroid)? Or are their Free T4 and Free T3 low (i.e. they are hypothyroid)?
There are other things people should know before they start thyroid treatment.
One of the commonest causes of hypothyroidism in Europe and North America is an autoimmune condition called Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Hashi's) which slowly destroys the thyroid. In this condition there are frequently periods of apparent hyperthyroidism before the thyroid is so badly damaged that it can no longer produce sufficient thyroid hormones and the patient becomes permanently hypothyroid.
One of the commonest causes of hyperthyroidism is an autoimmune condition called Graves' Disease. Before treating the patient for hyperthyroidism it is essential to test for the presence of the antibodies which causes Graves'. Otherwise people with Hashi's get treated for hyperthyroidism when what they really have is a condition leading them to hypothyroidism.
Something else to be aware of...
Iodine used to be used as a treatment for hyperthyroidism. If you are hypothyroid then iodine is the last thing you should be taking, unless you have been tested and been found to be deficient - and then you would need an appropriate dose to cater for your degree of deficiency.
As you can see, thyroid problems and treatment are not the simple affair that doctors and others would like to think. This is why testing is so essential, because treating yourself for the wrong condition could really upset your thyroid and make your health even worse. Note that thyroid hormones are required by every cell in the human body - too much OR too little thyroid hormone can lead to so many problems :
To get tested and to find out whether you are hypothyroid or hyperthyroid you can pay for your own testing - many of us do. The most popular tests are :
Note that both companies have special offers on from time to time and it is worth registering with each company so you can receive emails telling you about their special offers.
Medichecks has a permanent 10% off their prices with discount code THYROIDUK when they have no specific special offers on :
Be aware that coronavirus is affecting the choices we have in terms of testing just now. But finger-prick tests are still available.
For some excellent advice from SeasideSusie about private testing with finger-prick samples and under what conditions to do it, see this post of hers :
One thing that is essential when treating oneself for a thyroid condition is to also optimise your levels of some of the basic nutrients. They are ferritin (iron stores), vitamin B12, folate and vitamin D. Note that doctors think anything in range is good enough. But being in range is NOT the same as having an optimal level.
While iodine isn’t suitable for everyone, it doesn’t mean every hypo person shouldn’t take it. It depends on individual needs. It would be better to start at a lower dosage, obviously.
I meant “fine” as in the other ingredients wouldn’t necessarily worsen hypothyroidism like Lithium would.
I honestly don’t even know how your comment is relevant to what I said?
I never said “so what” towards the presence of lithium. I actually emphasized how wrong it is that lithium is an ingredient in a supplement meant for treatment of hypothyroidism.
Yes, 12 mg of iodine is a very high dose if one is not absolutely sure they need it. However, I have taken iodine as a supplement before (in a much lower dose) and I didn’t feel worse on it nor did it give me any bad side effects. Some people are actually taking 12mg of iodine daily and they seem to be benefiting from it but they have obviously done their research before getting to that dose.
Please stop trying to attack me just because you automatically assume I said something stupid when it’s clear you didn’t even properly read what I said.
I honestly don’t even know how your comment is relevant to what I said?
I never said “so what” towards the presence of lithium. I actually emphasized how wrong it is that lithium is an ingredient in a supplement meant for treatment of hypothyroidism.
I meant that the amount of lithium is so low that it can probably be regarded as being in the category "so what". That is, ignorably little.
Is there any evidence that such small doses are likely to have any effect on hypothyroidism?
The paper I linked to suggests that some people in England could receive more lithium in their drinking water than is in one dose of this product.
You said: The moment I saw lithium, I thought “whaaat??!” The rest of the ingredients are fine but why give lithium to someone who is hypo?
So I looked at the amount of lithium and couldn't find any evidence that it negatively affects people with any thyroid disorder at that level of intake. Over the years we have seen numerous posts suggesting lithium orotate. Not sure anyone has seen particualrly postive or negative effects that can be directly atttributed to that.
And I said that the iodine content is gigantic.
Please stop trying to attack me just because you automatically assume I said something stupid when it’s clear you didn’t even properly read what I said.
I did not attack you, I questioned what you wrote. I have not said that anything you wrote is stupid. We need to have the ability to discuss issues and questions.
I do not understand which bit that you wrote I haven't even properly read? Perhaps what I wrote was stupid? Certainly possible.
Ok, my mistake, I thought you didn’t see my original comment or misread what I said as “so what” and was reiterating Scrumbler’s comment more vehemently. Considering how easily people get offended by different opinions, I assumed I had done so and read your reply in that context. I was quick to be defensive, sorry!
I have read about iodine treatment and how high doses (as high as 12mg) are sometimes used to treat hypothyroidism and the depression/fatigue it brings, and about lithium and how it is commonly used as an antidepressant. From my personal experiences of iodine and different antidepressants, I didn’t find iodine to be dangerous in high dosages (I have taken as much as 2mg in one day but I did actually start at a lower dose and then worked my way up) and I found the antidepressants to worsen my hypothyroid drastically...even at low doses. I have not personally taken lithium, but the antidepressants and mood stabilizers I was prescribed had the same effects and taking them long-term increased my TSH and drastically increased my prolactin level and also worsened my insulin resistance. They did make me feel more stable, emotionally and mentally, but that’s about the only good thing they did. That’s why I eventually stopped them and would honestly suggest a person with hypothyroidism think twice before taking any antidepressant long-term, even at low doses....and even if a doctor says “it’s safe, as long as you keep regulating levels via blood tests.”
I personally think a low dose of any form of antidepressant is far more dangerous than a high dose of iodine. I find it very hard to believe that most iodine supplements in the market are as potent as the labels would have us think. I have tried so many kinds and found them to be mostly useless.
I don’t fully agree with that because it cannot be stated as a fact. Individuals have different biological makeups and will react differently to supplements/medications.
You’ll find sources saying that lithium, even taken at safe doses, can pool in the system and become toxic. Other sources say it is absolutely safe at small doses. All sources have said lithium can cause hypothyroidism but most didn’t specify at what dose.
Some sources state people are benefiting from very high doses of iodine, other sources say iodine may make a thyroid illness worse. Some online health stores are even selling iodine supplements of 12 to 12.5 mg doses and there are different reviews on them. There is nothing 100 percent about this.
I have searched extensively and cannot find any research which suggests even a milligram (1000 micrograms) a day is at all likely to be a problem. A twentieth of that is even less likely to cause an issue.
Lithium orotate has received only minimal evaluation in terms of its safety. One 1979 study in rats found it more harmful than the conventional form (lithium carbonate) to the animals’ kidneys. Smith That study seems to have brought an end to scientific study of the orotate approach. But it used doses of lithium orotate that were roughly equivalent to the full adult human dose (e.g. 1500 mg in a larger adult).”
The doses that are sold on the internet, which are far below those used in bipolar treatment, have not been tested for their safety. Even the low-dose lithium tested for prevention of Alzheimer’s, described in the Brazilian study above (blood level 0.2 – 0.4), is far higher than what you find in some orotate forms on the internet. See my comparison table below. To get a blood level of 0.2 would generally require about 150-300 mg per day of lithium carbonate, the usual prescription form, depending on your kidney function.
The single 1979 study, and the lack of further such research since then, leaves open the question of safety of lithium orotate in human kidneys. Is it more or less risky than lithium carbonate? This is a complete unknown.”
Due to lack of research, little is known about the safety of lithium orotate supplements. However, there's some evidence that lithium orotate may have some toxic effects. For instance, a 2007 report published in the Journal of Medical Toxicology warns that chronic use of lithium orotate may cause nausea and tremors.6 There's also some concern that the use of lithium orotate may lower kidney function.
In addition, the use of lithium orotate may cause adverse effects similar to those that result from lithium toxicity. Along with nausea and vomiting, these adverse effects include cardiac arrhythmias and neurological problems.
Severe toxicity may cause confusion, kidney failure, low blood pressure, coma, and occasionally death.
Due to the health risks associated with lithium toxicity, safe use of lithium requires periodic blood-testing to ensure that toxic levels of the drug are not being reached.7 Also, lithium may interact with a variety of medications such as ACE inhibitors, anticonvulsants, antidepressants, calcium channel blockers, dextromethorphan, loop diuretics, meperidine, methyldopa, and monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs).
Due to safety concerns, using lithium orotate without the supervision of a healthcare professional is strongly discouraged.
It's also important to note that self-treating a chronic condition (such as bipolar disorder) with lithium orotate, and avoiding or delaying standard care, may have serious consequences.6 If you're considering the use of lithium orotate in the treatment of a chronic medical condition, it's crucial to consult your physician before starting your supplement regimen.”
“In general, the only significant problems with low-dose lithium are tolerability and thyroid issues. About 1 person in 10 to 15 gets dull, flat, and “blah” (the “lithium made me a zombie” effect, overrepresented in online testimonials). I explain to my patients in advance that if this happens, we’ll give up on it. This adverse effect does not diminish with time and generally persists even if the dose is reduced. Then there’s weight gain: is it dose-related? To my knowledge, this has not been established. I nurture some hope this is so.
That leaves the thyroid issue. Thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) levels must be monitored even with low-dose lithium. In women, induction of hypothyroidism is extremely common—and almost predictable in women with a family history of thyroid problems. The latter may be an uncovering of an autoimmune disorder. If your patient has a high-normal TSH value before lithium (eg, 2.5 mIU/L or above, and certainly above 3 mIU/L), she is at even higher risk for lithium-induced hypothyroidism.”
There are a lot more sources online discussing this.
There are also a lot of sources saying it’s safe. Personally, I wouldn’t say “it’s safe and not an issue for hypothyroidism at such low doses” unless I have tried it myself and found that to be the case.
And, honestly, if lithium is present in our water in the doses that have been stated in those studies then...heck, it makes a lot of sense why so many of us are suffering from thyroid disorders...and probably many more are undiagnosed.
Actually, I do believe that many of us are very much struggling with our thyroid issues because of the many chemicals present in our water, food, etc...that we don’t really know much about.
In the end, I could be wrong and a dose of lithium orotate at 50 mcg might very well be negligible but the way I see it is: if one has hypothyroidism and lithium is known to make it worse, why risk it?
I took saw palmetto for 6 months because I had hair loss ... I stopped because it made no difference. I think when you are desperate you will try anything because I did. I also juiced onions and smeared them on my head! The smell was horrible but my hair loss did slow for a while but my hair smelt disgusting 🤦♀️
I so agree with you ... when I was a member of a certain site in the US a lot of the members would recommend certain "natural" tablets to help me. I did not try all of them but I did try saw palmetto which did not work of course.
I've taken 12.5mg of iodine a day for over a year to get my levels up. As soon as you reach sufficiency you can tell. I did work up from much smaller amounts. I should think iodine would be ideal for nodules - it certainly cured my husband's pancreatic cancer 6 years ago. I think the idea that iodine is bad comes from the idea that it can be used for both hyper and hypo thyroid patients, but both categories can use it. The idea is to get to sufficiency. The higher the dose taken the faster this will be achieved. There is too much scare mongering over this vital supplement. I note that the product you are questioning also contains selenium which is a positive - much of the research into iodine fails to factor in selenium levels.
I think the scare-mongering about iodine (and other supplements, I have noticed) is because there are a lot of people out there that would be careless enough to delve into a high dose of something from the get-go without doing the necessary research and then experience terrible side effects (or even end up in the hospital) and blame the supplement/manufacturers, etc. Sometimes, unnecessary deaths have happened...and major lawsuits.
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