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Hi everyone, further to my (rather long-winded!) post yesterday (below), I've just got my latest results, which I've attached. I'm no expert but I'm guessing my FT3 range does suggest I am currently over-medicating? Thanks in advance!

Hello lovely people, I went to see an NHS endo yesterday and he's just called with the results and echoed what I was told by a gyne a few weeks ago - that I may be overmedicating and he's told me to stop taking T3.

I'm currently on 125mg Levothoryxine and 12.5mg of Cytomel.

I'm 45 and have Hashimoto's. I've felt 'under the weather' for as long as I can remember, but for the the last 18 months I've had nausea, sickness, fatigue, aching limbs, sinus problems, dizziness and depression/anxiety. I am single and self-employed and some days I'm so exhausted I'm unable to work, which is very worrying. I can be okay-ish one day, and then barely able to get out of bed the next. I also have flare ups of symptoms that last for around two weeks.

My doctor suspects I may have Addison's Disease based to two low results from previous cortisol tests, and I'm having another blood test next week. However, I am currently on 100mg oestrogen patches, which I have been told will push my cortisol level up, so I'm concerned it won't be an accurate reading.

I did raise this with the endo who told me 'not to worry about it'. He's also told me that if the reading comes back as normal he will draw a line under my symptoms being endocrine-based and discharge me. When I went to see Dr Peatfield he said my adrenals weren't working as they should be, and when I had a private blood test last year my DHEA was low, so it sounds like my adrenals are struggling. But if the result comes back as 'in range' I feel like I'll be back to square one.

Obviously I'm worried that stopping the T3 could make me feel worse, so I'm really conflicted. I can't afford to go privately again so I feel a bit stuck, and any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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diogenes profile image
diogenesRemembering

"Stopping" taking T3 just like that is absolutely wrong. Yes your FT3 is too high indicating you are taking too much T3. But the only sensible way forward is to slowly lower your T3 dose till the FT3 enters into the reference range. Sudden changes like that you were given to do gives huge shocks to the system which will make you feel worse. Slowly and carefully does it, always.

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Jojozo in reply todiogenes

Thank you. The GP seems to think I need to stop it completely, which does seem extreme.

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shawsAdministrator in reply toJojozo

GPs don't know how to treat hypo patients. It is probably a 'perfect excuse' to remove T3 from you.

Did you allow a 12 hour gap between T3 dose and test. Was it also a fasting test?

I'd take diogenes' statement to heart as he is also a researcher/scientist and knows everything there is to know that doctors and endos don't.

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Jojozo in reply toshaws

Thanks so much. Instinctively it doesn’t feel right to stop it completely so it’s great to get that confirmation. The endo did the test after I’d been to see him, at around 2.30pm. I’d eaten and drunk (I’d had a coffee just before the test, if that’s relevant!), and taken my usual meds at around 10am that morning because I wasn’t expecting them to do a test there and then.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toJojozo

Then your results are likely showing false high FT3

All thyroid blood tests should be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything apart from water

Last dose levothyroxine 24 hours prior to test

Last dose T3 between 8-12 hours prior to test. If normally take as single dose, then split dose into 2 or 3 smaller doses day before testing

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Jojozo in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. I did think it was a weird time to do the test because that’s the advice I’ve always followed in the past.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toJojozo

So ignore this result

As you have Hashimotos have you tried strictly gluten free diet?

Only 5% with Hashimoto’s are coeliac but over 80% find reduction in symptoms on strictly gluten free diet, sometimes very significantly

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Jojozo in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. It’s something I’ve been thinking about again recently. I’ve have bad nausea so it would be a sensible thing to do.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toJojozo

Ideally get coeliac blood test first while still eating high levels of gluten

Either via GP or buy online- very easy test to do diy

Assuming coeliac test is negative then try strictly gluten free diet for 3-6 months

If no noticeable improvement reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

If coeliac test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy- officially 6-8 week wait

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Jojozo in reply toSlowDragon

I had a test done fairly recently and it was negative but I still think it would be beneficial. I’ve had gut issues for a while and it certainly won’t hurt!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toJojozo

Vast majority of Hashimoto’s patients are gluten intolerant not coeliac

Yes it can make absolutely vast difference. Certainly did for me

It does need to be absolutely strictly gluten free to be effective

Don’t share cutting board, jam, butter etc

If toasting GF bread either get a roasting bag from coeliac uk or use dedicated separate GF toaster

coeliac.org.uk/information-...

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HowNowWhatNow in reply toJojozo

And when you were tested for coeliac, did they also test whether you were IG(A) deficient? If you are AND you are coeliac, your test result will always be a (false) negative.

Flagging because my son has had two coeliac tests over the years but only now that we know he is IG(A) deficient do I realise that the standard coeliac tests don’t work for all.

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Jojozo in reply toHowNowWhatNow

That’s really intreating, thank you. I’ve never heard of that so it will be good to look into it.

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HowNowWhatNow in reply toJojozo

It often goes alongside auto-immune diseases, does IG(a) defect. As does coeliac status.

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greygoose

Stopping T3 completely would be silly. Just reduce it a little. How much are you taking? And how much levo?

There are no antibody tests on there. Have you had your antibodies tested?

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

They were, results below. Sorry, there are loads so I wasn't sure if I should post them all. I'm on 125mg Levothyroxine and 12.5mg Cytomel.

LDH, SERUM

Serum LDH

258

iu/L

240 - 480

THYROID FUNCTION TESTS

Serum free thyroxine

20.9

pmol/L

12 - 22

Serum free triiodothyronine

*

8.5

pmol/L

3.1 - 6.8

Serum TSH

*

0.01

mu/L

0.27 - 4.2

VIT D, 25OH, TOTAL, SERUM

25-hydroxy vitamin D, serum

108

nmol/L

50 - 120

C-REACTIVE PROTEIN (S)

Serum C-reactive protein

<1

mg/L

0 - 5

UREA & ELECTROLYTES (S)

Serum sodium

139

mmol/L

136 - 145

Serum potassium

4.5

mmol/L

3.5 - 5.1

Serum urea

2.9

mmol/L

2.8 - 8.1

Serum creatinine

47

umol/L

44 - 80

eGFR (MDRD) per 1.73 sq m

>60

mL/min

60 - 90

EGFR comment 1

eGFR should not be used in patients with acute

renal impairment.

EGFR comment 2

If patient is of African-Caribbean origin the eGFR

result should be multiplied by a factor of 1.21

EGFR comment 3

eGFR is not validated in pregnant women.

LIVER FUNCTION TESTS

Serum albumin

46

g/L

35 - 52

Serum total protein

76

g/L

66 - 87

Serum globulin

30

g/L

18 - 36

Serum alkaline phosphatase

64

iu/L

35 - 104

Serum total bilirubin

7

umol/L

0 - 21

Serum ALT

18

iu/L

0 - 33

SERUM B12 AND FOLATE

Serum Vitamin B12

569

ng/L

197 - 771

Serum Folate

11.5

ug/L

1.9 - 25

PROLACTIN, SERUM

Serum prolactin

282

miu/L

102 - 496

FULL BLOOD COUNT 1

Hb

140

g/L

115 - 165

WBC

8.1

109/L

4 - 10

Nucleated red cells automated

0.0

109/L

0 - 0.1

PLT

344

109/L

150 - 410

RBC

*

4.82

1012/L

3.8 - 4.8

HCT

0.427

0.35 - 0.47

MCV

88.6

fL

83 - 101

MCH

29.0

pg

27 - 32

MCHC

328

g/L

310 - 360

FULL BLOOD COUNT 2

Neutrophils

4.7 58.0%

109/L

2 - 7

Lymphocytes

2.4 29.8%

109/L

1 - 3

Monocytes

0.8 9.4%

109/L

0.2 - 1

Eosinophils

0.2 2.1%

109/L

0 - 0.5

Basophils

0.1 0.7%

109/L

0 - 0.1

ESR

ESR

12

mm/hr

0 - 15

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

Nope. Sorry, can't see any antibody tests there.

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

Oh, apologies, I thought they’d covered everything. I’m not sure what to look for.

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

Normally the NHS will only test TPO antibodies. Or it might be called Thyroid Peroxidase antibodies.

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

I don’t think the NHS have done them but I had them done privately a year ago and I’ve just found those results. TG <32 and TPO 152. Thank you!

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

I imagine that TPO is high - please, always put the ranges. So, if it's high, you have Hashi's. And, that will cause your results to jump around. So, that high FT3 doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your dose of T3.

Your FT4 is also high considering you take T3, so I would imagine that what happened was you did the tests on the tail end of a Hashi's 'hyper' swing. The levels will come down by themselves, so I wouldn't stop the T3, if I were you. Maybe just reduce it by 6.25 mcg and see what happens next test.

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

Thank you so much. Apologies, the TPO reference range is <= 34 IU/mL and the TG is <= 40 IU/mL. Those were done a year ago privately. I don’t think I’ve ever had them done on the NHS.

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

So, you do have Hashi's. Not need to repeat them. Hashi's doesn't go away. Do your doctors know you have Hashi's? Do they understand what that means?

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

Yes, and no. No one’s ever spoken to me about it, apart from someone I saw privately. All they ever do is try and get me off the T3. I did come off it once a few years ago on their advice but I didn’t feel good.

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

Ignore them, then, they're ignorant and obviously don't know anything about Hashi's - not many people do. If you need the T3, you need the T3, and that's an end to it.

You could try explaining to them about the Hashi's swings, but it would probably fall on deaf ears - they just don't want to know because it would make life too complicated for them. But, next time someone suggests coming off T3, do mention that you have Hashi's, and Hashi's people are more likely to be poor converters. :)

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

Brilliant, thank you. If I’m being honest, I have zero faith in the endo I’m seeing. I may be proved wrong but he said exactly the same thing last time I saw him several years ago (he even made the same joke) so I don’t think I’ll get anywhere. He takes a very simplistic view of things.

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

They usually do. As a general rule, they know very little about thyroid. They're basically diabetes specialist who think thyroid is a doddle.

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Jojozo in reply togreygoose

Ha! That sounds about right. Thank you.

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greygoose in reply toJojozo

You're welcome. :)

My advice would be stop eating gluten and dairy for 6 months. You have what they call and autoimmune disease Hashimoto's. You have to fix your gut first and foremost. Your best option is to stop eating gluten and dairy for the next 6 months. This has helped me tremendously not only have I lost weight but I stopped taking my medication because medication T3 liothyronine T4 levothyroxine is basically a Band-Aid. Start eating a well-balanced diet possibly the Paleo Diet eating a lot of colored vegetables and fruits. If you smoke stop smoking if you drink stop drinking. You will see a big change in your life and you will start healing yourself

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Jojozo in reply to

Great, thank you. I don’t drink or smoke but I definitely need to work on my nutrition, so that’s my main goal now.

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