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Tips for extremely dry and brittle hair?

Hi i'm looking for any tips and advice on how to care for very dry and brittle hair? I don't know what's happened but it's like the texture of my hair changed instantly. Previously very soft and in good condition to extremely dry brittle and breaking easily. I'm being investigated for an autoimmune disease. Does anyone else experience this symptom? Thanks in advance 😊 X

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This a symptom that many who are under medicated have. If you have Hashi’s and are prescribed Levothyroxine your hair might bounce back. Try to be kind to your hair by not bleaching ect because it just won’t react well. And if you can get your vitamin levels checked. You can go home tests if your Dr won’t - they usually dismiss insufficiencies but the experienced members on this forum really think it helps and I certainly feel better after I raised my Vit D level.

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Hi Paula. Thanks for the reply. I'm not on any medication as my thyroid levels are in range. Except for tpo antibodies over 1000. Not sure if this means hashimotos as no dr has ever mentioned this. Only from what I read on here. My vit d was low but I have been supplementing that for a few months now. I find no products help at the moment X

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So you do have Hashi’s because the anti TPO test is positive. Great news! You’ve got a diagnosis now you e got to get treatment. Do you know why they havent started you on Levo yet? Just because of ranges? Did they only do TSH and Anti TPO? How are you feeling? (Apart from frustrated with your hair!)

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I thought it was hashimoto's but I paid to see a private endocrinologist and this was never mentioned. He just said that I may develop autoimmune thyroid disease in future. I have extreme fatigue which has gotten worse in the last few weeks. No energy to do anything, constant fluctuating temperatures. Either freezing cold or roasting hot, no happy medium. General aches and pains and just feeling unwell on a daily basis. The constant fluctuating temperatures i'm struggling with. I am being investigated for lupus as that is also connected with thyroid disease I read. No medication as my levels are within range. They tested tsh and t4 too X

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Well Sophie2009 you won’t ‘develop’ it in the future you already have it! I’m so sorry but like many of us you have a GP that knows very little about Hashimotos. What he probably meant to say is that you may develop Hypothyroidism but unfortunately that ship has sailed too and you do have Hypothyroidism. When was the last time you spoke to him?

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This was a thyroid specialist. Dr Toft (if you've heard of him) I only saw him once as it's expensive going private. This was in November. I always thought so but the problem being that it doesn't show in my blood tests. I've told my gp countless times that I am struggling with this but she insits my thyroid is fine X

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Hi i just looked back at the report. It definitely says 'at risk for developing thyroid disease in future' not that i already have it X

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😱 Forgive me brain slip. You PAID private for an endo to give you no treatment 😱 Did he at least do a full thyroid function? Do you want to share the results?

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No he never did any tests. He just looked at my previous results and ruled any thyroid problems out. He did refer me to a dermatologist for suspected lupus. He never offered any mediation. X

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I’m not sure I’m following correctly. You got blood tests through your GP when? And what was tested? Then when did you see Dr Toft?

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I had bloods taken in October by the gp. I made an appointment with the private endocrinologist as i thought it must be thyroid related by my symptoms and high antibodies. The gp only tests tsh and t4. They ran an antibody test on a seperate occasion. X

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So what were the tests and results?

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The tsh was 2 and t4 was 15 X

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Do you have ranges? So no FT4 done or FT3? TSH is not a good indicator of thyroid health. Try a Thriva/Medichecks ect type home test. That’ll give you the proper picture. If we must go by TSH (only because Medical people are obsessed with it when really it’s a poor indicator on its own) then for instance I feel better when my TSH is around 0.3 (range 0.3 -5)

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Tsh is 0.20-4.50 and free t4 9-21

Sorry it was free t4 that was tested. I might look into medichecks. How would you ever get treatment for symptoms if the bloods don't show? Can I ask your symptoms of hashimoto's or hypothyroidism?

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Ok that’s really great, sorry I know this feels like a bombardment of questions. It can be daunting when you’re first trying to find answers.

I really recommend doing the private checks for a full picture. Also Vit D, B12, ferritin and folate. And I’m now adding in Magnesiumn for low mood.

Getting treatment is where the hard work starts. It depends on your relationship with your GP. I was diagnosed Hashimotos in 2008 but not treated till 2009. I have increased my Levo almost every year since then and had many an ‘argument’ with my GP. I’ve been tested for everything from Anaemia to Rheumatoid Arthritis over the years while I ‘argue’ that it’s my thyroid. Getting proper treatment is very very difficult. My GP has been less than co operative but having seen some stories on here I now realise that my GP has been 100% better than most accross the country. Stilll it’s not goood enough.

I don’t want to overwhelm you with too much info at once, it’s best to take this in stages. So first you need a home blood test, supplements to bring all those vitamins up to higher end of normal. Also you need to keep going back to your GP and keep telling them how unwell you feel. Hopefully at some point they’ll give you Levothyroxine. Then you come back for more advice if that’s not working. Keep reading Thyriod UK and the posts on here. You will get very comfortable with your own symptoms and how to manage/fight for treatment.

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Thank you for all the help and advice. I was at my gp on Wednesday due to the worsening fatigue. She can prescribe anything as she says it's related to my under lying condition( Lupus is what is suspected anyway) She also said again it's not thyroid related. I could scream sometimes as we all know our bodies and when something isn't right.

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😢 I’m so sorry. It’s a total f**k up! Lupus being autoimmune aswell. How do they know for sure you have Lupus? Try to take this as far as you can with tests and supplements at home and then go to TUK to get a list of private Endos.(I never really heard of Dr Toft but I know people rave about him but now I don’t like him because your appointment with him was a waste of time and money as far as I’m concerned)

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It's so frustrating isn't it. No one knows for sure yet as it's very difficult to diagnose. The dermatologist I saw said that my skin rashes are consistent with lupus. I am awaiting a second opionion from rheumatology. As the last one said I definitely don't have any autoimmune disease. Despite my different symptoms. I do have a photosensitive rash and chronic raynuads too. I had 3 days of iloprost infusions at hospital which has helped a bit X

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I don’t want to offer false hope. I wish some of the more seasoned posters would answer your post 😬 but I really think a lot of your symptoms would ease with Levothyroxine

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Thank you. I don't think I would ever be prescribed that until levels are out of range. Do you have any advice on that?

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But both ranges are obviously not optimal for you at half way through range. That’s the point! It’s not ‘normal’ or good enough for you. You need to find the right levels for you and you quite clearly have hypothyroid symptoms (caused by the auto immune condition Hashimtos)

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Also last summer i spent most of it wrapped up in a heated blanket with a hot water bottle and couldn't get warm at all. It was only the winter time that the heat started. So I needed a fan in winter. The complete opposite. X

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Hashimoto's symptoms can be misdiagnosed as lupus

Just testing TSH and FT4 is completely inadequate

You need FULL Thyroid and vitamin testing

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested. Also extremely important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Low vitamin levels are extremely common with Hashimoto's

How low was vitamin D?

How much vitamin D are you taking

Has level been retested?

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and fasting. This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip, best not mentioned to GP or phlebotomist)

Is this how you do your tests?

Private tests are available. Thousands on here forced to do this as NHS often refuses to test FT3 or antibodies or all vitamins

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/testin...

Medichecks Thyroid plus ultra vitamin or Blue Horizon Thyroid plus eleven are the most popular choice. DIY finger prick test or option to pay extra for private blood draw. Both companies often have special offers, Medichecks usually have offers on Thursdays, Blue Horizon its more random

Your antibodies are high this is Hashimoto's, (also known by medics here in UK more commonly as autoimmune thyroid disease).

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

Ideally ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially)

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

scdlifestyle.com/2014/08/th...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Come back with new post once you get full results and ranges

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You see Sophie2009 seasoned poster ❤️ There’s so much knowledge right here on this forum. Hang in there, you’ll feel well again 🤗

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Thank you Paula. I just wish the Dr's were as helpful 🤗 X

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Hi slowdragon. Thanks for all the links. I can't find all the results. My vit d was low at 25 range is 50-200 I have been supplementing with the better by you mouth spray. My gp only tests vit d once a year. I went gluten free for 3 months but no symptoms changed or when I stopped either. I just feel at a loss now as to what's wrong with me.

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Just want to clarify that I’m not a seasoned poster but others like Slowdragon are 😂 Just in case I came across wrong 😬🤗

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Hi no that's ok. Thanks for the help anyway. Do you have the same issues with temperature control? November and December last year was the worst months. I started getting awful night sweats and unbearable heat so I wasn't sleeping for weeks. Thankfully that stopped. Sometimes I feel i'm never away from the Dr's these days X

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If your vitamin D was 25nmol, GP should have prescribed a LOADING dose - that's 300,000iu over 6-8 weeks. (Roughly 5000iu per day over 8 weeks, or 7000iu per day over 6 weeks)

Did that happen?

Was vitamin D retested at the end?

Local CCG guidelines

clinox.info/clinical-suppor...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Have you continued supplementing?

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is good as avoids poor gut function.

It's trial and error what dose each person needs. With Hashimoto's we often need high dose even as maintenance dose

Retesting twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Have you tried dairy free diet?

60% of Hashimoto's patients are lactose intolerant

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

Night sweats can be low B12

bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g52...

Again extremely common with Hashimoto's

Essential to test B12 and folate

Ferritin needs testing too

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Hi slowdragon. As it was done privately i never showed my gp the results. When my Dr tested then the first time they were still low at 49 but not low enough obviously because nothing was ever mentioned about it. I'm due to be retested in may anyway.

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Your post from 2 months ago

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Great pity you didn't take results to GP.

Improving very low vitamin D, increases need for B vitamins and can reveal low B vitamin symptoms. As explained here

drgominak.com/sleep/vitamin...

Supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in not folic acid may be beneficial.

chriskresser.com/folate-vs-...

B vitamins best taken in the morning after breakfast

Recommended brands on here are Igennus Super B complex. (Often only need one tablet per day, not two. Certainly only start with one tablet per day after breakfast. Retesting levels in 6-8 weeks ).

Or Jarrow B-right is popular choice, but is large capsule

If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before any blood tests, as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

Ferritin was too low. Needs to be at least around 70ng/l

Eating liver or liver pate once a week plus other iron rich foods plus daily vitamin C should help improve iron absorption

Getting all four vitamins optimal should help TSH rise so that you can get Levothyroxine started

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Hi i wish i had now but I just wasn't sure if Dr's took private test results seriously or just relied on their own testing. Thanks again. I will look into those supplements. Is it ok to take them all together or start with one then add more? I didn't know the tsh would be affected that way. I'm not due another thyroid test until August now. As it's every 6 months at the moment.

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When was GP vitamin D test done?

When test was 49nmol?

How much vitamin D are you taking at the moment?

If not tested in last 3 months perhaps retesting via here - £29

vitamindtest.org.uk

Are you currently supplementing any other vitamins?

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Hi the vit d test that showed it was 49 was done last may. I had it done privately in January and it was 25. I have been supplementing with oral spray daily at a dose of 3000.

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So you probably need to double that dose of vitamin D for 6 weeks

Loading dose is 7000iu per day for 6 weeks

Then retest via Medichecks or

vitamindtest.org.uk

Look at adding some magnesium as supplement and/or via skin

Calm vitality magnesium powder is cheap and easy to use. Good if you suffer constipation. Best starting on low dose as too much can cause diarrhoea

Best taken near bedtime as helps improve sleep.

(Must be four hours away from Levo, once you eventually get prescribed)

Vitamin K2 Mk7 helps direct extra calcium into bones

importance of magnesium and vitamin K2 Mk7 supplements when taking vitamin D

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

healthy-holistic-living.com...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

Do NOT supplement any vitamin K if you take any blood thinning medication

drsinatra.com/vitamin-k2-su...

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Hi slowdragon. Thanks for the reply. So i should take the spray twice a day? I have an iron and vit c combined supplement and a vit b12 complex. Is that sufficient? I'm new to all this. Would you say i already have hashimoto's? Thanks again

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Vitamin B complex may well help with dry hair too

Magnesium flakes couple of times a week in the bath can help with dry skin too......

betteryou.com/magnesium-fla...

and low magnesium and low vitamin D are often linked

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

articles.mercola.com/sites/...

healthy-holistic-living.com...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

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Really confused by what Dr Toft said to you. He has said in articles that if a patient has positive TPO antibodies then it's best to 'nip things in the bud' and commence Levo rather than waiting until TSH reached 10. Especially when presented with many symptoms. Yet he seems to have dismissed your high antibodies as simply an indication that you 'may' become hypo in the future????

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Hi fibrolinda. Yes I have read that too. I was confused aswell. He sent me a copy of the report. It mentions the high antibodies but only says I am at risk of developing autoimmune thyroid disease on future. He said that as my thyroid function tests are normal and I don't have a goitre X

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Really confused by what Dr Toft said to you. He has said in articles that if a patient has positive TPO antibodies then it's best to 'nip things in the bud' and commence Levo rather than waiting until TSH reached 10.

What fibrolinda says is right, up to a point. This is what he says in answer to Question 2 of the Pulse article

Question 2 asks:

I often see patients who have an elevated TSH but normal T4. How should I be managing them?

Answer:

The combination of a normal serum T4 and raised serum TSH is known as subclinical hypothyroidism. If measured, serum T3 will also be normal. Repeat thyroid function tests in 2 or 3 months in case the abnormality represents a resolving thyroiditis.

But if it persists then antibodies to thyroid peroxidase should be measured. If these are positive - indicative of underlying autoimmune thyroid disease - the patient should be considered to have the mildest form of hypothyroidism.

In the absence of symptoms, some would simply recommend annual thyroid function tests until serum TSH is over 10mU/l or symptoms such as tiredness and weight gain develop. But a more pragmatic approach is to recognise that the thyroid failure is likely to become worse and try to nip things in the bud rather than risk loss to follow up.

So yes, he suggests starting Levo to nip things in the bud when antibodies are raised, but he's saying that when it's when subclinical hypothyroidism and antibodies are present, ie TSH should be raised as well, but not to wait until it's over 10.

The fact that your TSH is 2 (0.20-4.50) is the reason he is saying you dont' have a problem at the moment and your raised antibodies mean that you may develop hypothyroidism in the future. The raised antibodies will make that a certainty, your immune system will attack your thyroid and gradually destroy it over time, but you wont get any treatment until TSH goes over range. Frustrating, sadistic, immensely unfair, but that's how they do it here in the UK.

My vit d was low at 25 range is 50-200 I have been supplementing with the better by you mouth spray. My gp only tests vit d once a year.

With a Vit D level of 25 you should have been given loading doses by your GP, see NICE treatment summary for Vit D deficiency: cks.nice.org.uk/vitamin-d-d...

"Treat for Vitamin D deficiency if serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) levels are less than 30 nmol/L.

For the treatment of vitamin D deficiency, the recommended treatment is based on fixed loading doses of vitamin D (up to a total of about 300,000 international units [IU] given either as weekly or daily split doses, followed by lifelong maintenace treatment of about 800 IU a day. Higher doses of up to 2000IU a day, occasionally up to 4000 IU a day, may be used for certain groups of people, for example those with malabsorption disorders. Several treatment regims are available, including 50,000 IU once a week for 6 weeks (300,000 IU in total), 20,000 IU twice a week for 7 weeks (280,000 IU in total), or 4000 IU daily for 10 weeks (280,000 IU in total)."

Each Health Authority has their own guidelines but they will be very similar.

As you're taking D3, are you also taking it's important cofactors recommended by the Vit D Council -

vitamindcouncil.org/about-v...

D3 aids absorption of calcium from food and K2-MK7 directs the calcium to bones and teeth where it is needed and away from arteries and soft tissues where it can be deposited and cause problems such as hardening of the arteries, kidney stones, etc.

D3 and K2 are fat soluble so should be taken with the fattiest meal of the day, D3 four hours away from thyroid meds if taking tablets/capsules/softgels, no necessity if using an oral spray

Magnesium helps D3 to work. We need Magnesium so that the body utilises D3, it's required to convert Vit D into it's active form. So it's important we ensure we take magnesium when supplementing with D3.

Magnesium comes in different forms, check to see which would suit you best and as it's calming it's best taken in the evening, four hours away from thyroid meds if taking tablets/capsules, no necessity if using topical forms of magnesium.

naturalnews.com/046401_magn...

Check out the other cofactors too (some of which can be obtained from food).

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Hi seasideSusie. Thanks so much for all the information. I agree it is very frustrating. Especially if you have symptoms but may take years for enough of a change in your bloods. I had my vit d levels tested privately as it's only done every 12 months at my gp surgery. I never mentioned the results to my Dr as i'm not sure the reaction with giving them private test results.

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Hi Sophie

All my life I have had hair that is quite dry but when diagnosed with Hashimoto’s it became even drier. I have always used plenty of oil on my hair to keep it well moisturised. Now I give it a far more intensive treatment. I wet my hair with coconut oil and sleep with it in my hair overnight (best put a towel on your pillow). In the morning my hair has absorbed most of the oil. I then wash it once with a mild shampoo and let it dry naturally. You might need to use more or less oil depending on how porous your hair is and you may possibly need to shampoo it twice depending on just how dry your hair is. Perhaps experiment one evening when you are not supposed to be anywhere the following morning so that you can determine what works best for you.

Obviously following all the good advice given on the forum as regards achieving optimum thyroid hormone and vitamin levels is very, very important.

Hope the oil treatment works for you.

Best wishes

Caroline

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Hi caroline. Thanks for the reply 😊 I have tried coconut oil before. It doesn't agree with my hair. Just made it look really greasy. I've never had any problems up until a few years ago when it seemed to change instantly. I guess if it's an internal problem then nothing would really work? I hope yours has improved.

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Hi Sophie,

There are of course other oils you could try but olive oil, almond oil and castor oil all take some washing out of your hair. It seems oil isn't perhaps the answer for you. I do find regular haircuts are good to get rid of any dry ends and I try not to wash my hair with shampoo too frequently - have you tried washing with conditioner alone?

Hope your hair becomes less dry when your thyroid hormone levels improve.

All the best

Caroline

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Hi caroline. No oils don't seem to agree with my hair. I have tried others oils but forget which. I do get regular trims but it's not my ends that are bad. It's the top of my head. Mainly my roots and scalp that are the problem. No I haven't tried conditioner only. I could try that. Do you have hashimoto's, hypothyroidism or both?

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Hi Sophie

I always wash my hair with conditioner only, unless I have used my overnight oil treatment. Conditioner doesn’t strip the natural oils from your hair like shampoo does. I would certainly recommend it.

I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s in August 2017. Most of my earlier symptoms have gone since starting treatment with levothyroxine

Hope you soon start to feel the benefit too.

Best wishes

Caroline

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Hi caroline. Thank you for the tips. Is there a particular conditioner that you use? Did it take you a while before you were diagnosed and started treatment? I've thought I had a thyroid problem for years bit isn't showing in my bloods yet unfortunately.

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Hi Sophie

I was diagnosed in August 2017 but treatment not started until that October. My TSH was 8.8 and my tpo antibodies were over 1300. Your TPO antibodies are also high so you do have Hashimoto’s. I guess your GP is only looking at your TSH. As you are experiencing symptoms perhaps you could ask for a trial of levo.

I was started on 25 mcg levo with tiny increments every couple of months. I am now on 75 mcg which seems to be a good dose for me. Just need the next blood test to confirm it!

I do like to ring the changes with my conditioner but my current favourites are Palmers olive oil co-wash and Cantu Hydrating Cream Conditioner. I also like the Shea Moisture range.

Hope you find something that helps.

All the best

Caroline

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Hi caroline. Even if i asked i don't think they would prescribe anything to be honest. My last test was done at 4pm in the afternoon (obviously not fasting) so that wouldn't be a true reading. It does get frustrating when you have symptoms and know something is wrong yet you repeatedly get told everything is fine 😔 Thanks for the tips though 😊

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I have Hashimotos and low vit d. I take 12mcg Levo and 1000-2000 vit d daily. My hair is thin, dry and falling a lot (rather than hair loss).

I use Wella SP Repair shampoo and it's fab. I have tried changing to Wella sp hydrate, Wella invigo, chemist brands like Pantene etc.... The Wella sp repair is the only one that actively restores my thyroid hair. Ask dr to check your iron, ferritin, biotin levels also

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Hi k8te. I doubt i will be prescribed levythyroxine until my results are out or range or above 10. As i read on here. It's not falling out thankfully. Just so dry and breaks easily. Did it take you a while to be prescribed? My temperature control issues have been going on for years so I always assumed that was my thyroid but my bloods disagree.

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I felt suicidally depressed in Jan 2014 so went to the dr. I'll add that my Mum had died suddenly in Jan 2013 and I hadn't felt that low- so I knew something was seriously wrong!

I thought I was Bi Polar.

I've had medication since June 2014 and began to feel better in Jan 2019. Genuinely took that long!i only found relief when vit d was added in- so when others talk about the importance of treatment of other underlying deficiencies, it's true!

The Wella sp repair shampoo is exceptional for restoring condition . Small sizes are available at reasonable prices

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That should read 125mcg!?

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My levels were about 70 I think! Perhaps over! I was very very poorly by the time I went to the dr. I'd thought I was just grieving still.....

Your TPO Antibodies will be high no doubt. Argue for that test. You have all the symptoms of hashi.

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Sorry to hear you were so poorly. Yes my antibodies were only first tested last may and the tpo ones were over 1000. But I was told by my Dr that they shouldn't be causing any symptoms X

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Hi Zoe, try coconut oil treatment and wearing a bob hat when at home really helped my hair grow too .

Tam x

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Hi tami. I recently tried coconut oil as recommended by somebody else. But it did nothing to help unfortunately. Glad it helped you 😊 X

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It's not a overnight remedy ,well actually it is and helps if left to abaorb overnight ( i use a towel on pillow ) oils need to be absorbed by the scalp over longer period to provide effect as most remedies do , the environment also contributes to hair damage and the reason to protect it from the elements when possible

Sorry I didn't explain myself .Tam x

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Hi that's ok. I have used it 3-4 times and didn't really notice much difference. I left it on for about 2 and a half hours. I did notice it go really hard in your hair. Is that normal? Was worried it might damage it when washing out X

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I've never encountered coconut oil hardning, it has to be decent stuff to , carringtons I find the best .hydrate yourself with plenty filtered water and get folate and vitamin tested to , usually helps xxx

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Hi thanks for the tips. I will look at carringtons 😊 X

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Hi tami. I just realised something. When I said it hardened on my hair. I wasn't actually wearing a shower cap or anything to cover my hair. Would that make a difference do you think? X

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Yes carringtons is used by hairdressers due to absorbsion ,just a cheap shower cap works great to save your furniture the warmer you keep your head the better that's why I used it nightly once a week for 6 months and boy did my hair grow . Good luck .

Tam x

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Hi. Thanks tami. I have a shower cap. Will try with that she see how it goes. Do you also have a problem with the texture of your hair?

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