Improving sleep- test results from two months ago.

[noenergy]

I could only add my results as a new post even though I wanted to add them as a reply. I’m looking for any suggestions for improving the length of time I stay asleep for. Thanks for looking

[Mary-intussuception]

Have you been tested for Pernicious Anemia yet? What's being done about B12 & B9 (Folate ) deficiency?

Have you been told you have Hashimoto's Autoimmune Thyroiditis? Are you on Levothyroxine yet?

Have you had any tests to check Adrenal Function?

[noenergy in reply to Mary-intussuception]

Been on Levo for about 7 years. Current strength 125mg. Only been told Hashimotos since paying for private tests which the gp repeated once I’d shown her the private results.

Working with a nutritional practitioner who has recommended vit D3, b complex, and folapro. I have Done a saliva test , and have posted the results on a similar thread. They are higher than the range throughout the day. Thanks for your reply

[SlowDragon Administrator]

Well no wonder you are having problems.

How much Levothyroxine are you currently taking?

Is it always the same brand?

Your results show you are under medicated

TSH is much too high for someone on Levothyroxine.

FT4 too low and FT3 low

Your vitamins are all too low as direct result

See GP for full testing for Pernicious Anaemia before starting on B12 injections

Folic acid supplements should not be started until 48 hours after first B12 injection

Vitamin D is too low. Are you supplementing?

Needs improving to at least 80nmol but around 100nmol often better

Ferritin is ok but doesn't want to drop any lower

See SeasideSusie detailed vitamin advice on hundreds of replies

Your antibodies are high this is Hashimoto's, (also known by medics here in UK more commonly as autoimmune thyroid disease).

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten. Dairy is second most common.

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps, sometimes significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

Ideally ask GP for coeliac blood test first or buy test online for under £20, just to rule it out first




Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

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[noenergy in reply to SlowDragon]

Thanks for the reply. I’m on 125mg. Last test for TSH was lower at less than 1, but I don’t have these results to hand. I take Vit D . And have done for years! Follow a reasonable strict gluten fee/ dairy free diet which has helped my health in general but not the sleep.

[SlowDragon Administrator in reply to noenergy]

Vitamin D is too low. Dose needs increasing.

Aiming to improve to at least 80nmol and around 100nmol may be better .

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is good as avoids poor gut function. Suggest you at least double your supplement for 2-3 months and retest.

It's trial and error what dose each person needs. Common with Hashimoto's to need high dose or to find mouth spray works better

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Retesting twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Also read up on importance of magnesium and vitamin K2 Mk7 supplements when taking vitamin D

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Do NOT supplement any vitamin K if you take any blood thinning medication

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Vitamin C and bones

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The importance of sunshine

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Clearly your B vitamins are terrible. GP MUST test for Pernicious Anaemia before starting any supplements

Daily vitamin C is good for adrenals

Probiotics can help gut too

Do you always get same brand of Levothyroxine?

[Hennerton]

Have you heard of the adrenal cocktail? I take it every night and on the whole, apart from an odd rogue night, I definitely sleep better. You need to google it for exact measurements, because I have tailored mine to be less than the recipe, as I am very thin. Basically you take the juice of an organic orange, some cream of tartar and Himalayan crystal salt. Drink before settling down to sleep (obviously then rinse mouth well or brush teeth lightly, as the orange is acidic). It stops the waking at 3am problem and generally I sleep through until morning, whereas previously I was prancing round the house making hot drinks and then reading to try to tire myself out.

[noenergy in reply to Hennerton]

Sounds worth a try- thanks

[Bertwills]

The early morning waking can be a sign of low blood sugar. After many years of having this happening to me I’ve recently been sleeping for 2 -3 extra hours. I’ve managed this by eating cheese before bed! It seems crazy but has worked wonders for me. You need a high fat/high protein, no carb snack just before bed.

Worth a try. It hasn’t given me nightmares either!

[noenergy in reply to Bertwills]

Thanks for replying-Tried similar with nuts but had no effect. I’m dairy free.

[Gcart]

I seem to be helped with Magnesium citrate.

Sleep is deeper . Something you could try .

[noenergy in reply to Gcart]

Thanks

[Olsbird]

Not sure how old you are but sleep issues can be menopausal as well?

[noenergy in reply to Olsbird]

I am 50. Had total hysterectomy 4 years ago.

[RockyPath]

The medical establishment have made a hash of diagnosing the cause of sleep disturbances. It sells a lot of product for the manufacturers of "solutions."

I'd really like to recommend to subscribers to request an inter-library loan of Dr. John C. Lowe's The Metabolic Treatment of Fibromyalgia, as the summaries don't explain everything he uncovered and documented to the nth degree with thousands (probably tens of thousands) of research articles he studied. T3 really is the foundation to the proper functioning of every system in the body, from absorption of nutrients to sleep. There are quite a few copies showing on WorldCat, so there's probably enough for everyone to borrow a copy this month :->

I'm able to get T3 prescribed by my endocrinologist in two sizes, and though I do have to pay for it, the price each month is equivalent to a couple of nice meals out. When the brain has enough T3 it will finally let you fall into the natural rhythms of sleep at night. And with normal metabolism supported by T3, vitamins and minerals are absorbed fully from foods as well as supplements.

If I could not get T3 by prescription, and if I were taking as much LT4 as you, I would find that lady, Mae, in Thailand and buy a bottle of USP Pharmaceutical Liothyronine from her, cut back drastically on the LT4, and start quartering those 100 mcg LT3 tablets so my body would start working better.

[noenergy]

Interesting as a fibro sufferer. I finally had my antibodies tested by the doc after years of asking. T3 and t4 was not tested then. Just done once when I paid privately- as shown on my post -they appear to be in range? Never seen an endocrinologist.

[jgelliss]

I found that Raw Honey before sleep was very helpful . And A tiny dose of NDT is also very helpful . Being Optimally dosed is one of my signs too when I sleep well .

[Lovecake]

I too had a total hysterectomy, have Hashimoto’s and am just over 50.

I had trouble with sleeping when TSH too high - for me, needs to be around .2 when on levo only.

But the big game changer was magnesium. I didn’t want to take tablets due to taking T3 at bedtime, so bought the magnesium sleep lotion from BetterYou. Put it on feet and shoulders half hour before sleep.

They have a sale on magnesium at the moment.

There are many good quality companies out there now.

Maybe also try autoimmune institute. They are a small company and give out good email advice too. ☺️

[noenergy]

Thank you for that. I do have some magnesium spray which I’ll retry. Do you know whether it possible to have too much with tablets as well? Didn’t know there was an autoimmune institute.