When did you start sleeping after the circadian T3 dose?

[cath1983]

Hi everyone! For those of you who have done the circadian T3 method and struggled with not falling back asleep after taking the circadian dose, did a moment come when that issue was resolved? Can you please share your stories? Are there any magic tricks or does it just require keeping on? Thanks so much!

[Hennerton]

I am not at all convinced about the circadian dose method, as I honestly believe that good sleep is the most important aspect of good health and this method destroys it completely. I have the book and I think there is much to recommend in it but not the deliberate sabotage of healthful deep sleep.

[cath1983 in reply to Hennerton]

Thanks for your reply! Did you find a different way to heal your adrenals?

[Hennerton in reply to cath1983]

My problem was waking in the night and not being able to sleep and I read about the adrenal cocktail online and have been taking it now for several years. It is organic orange juice, cream of tartar and Himalayan salt. I use tiny amounts of the salt and tartar to half an orange.

I also discovered magnesium baths and found they were wonderful for all my aches and pains and I also use the magnesium oil spray twice a day.

I try to eat natural home cooked food and lots of eggs, although I am not a true lover of eggs so that is a struggle but my acupuncturist recommended them for healing the body. Apparently the yolk must be runny, which is more difficult for me, so I am afraid to say I mostly scramble them. I used acupuncture for about six months and that also helped. In the end it is trial, error and a lot of hope!

[Supul]

Hi Cath

I cannot answer your question, sorry. However, I am very intrigued.

I have an endo (after 28 yrs hypothyroidism!), and I have seen him once. He recognises I have been very unwell suffering a thyroid crises. He has reduced my dose of levothyroxine from 125mcg to 75 mcg for 6 months, to get a baseline picture to give him an idea of what/if I will have on going problems.

He mentioned that he may put me on melatonin next visit (I had no idea why).

Obviously, I googled melatonin (lol), and now know it is a hormone that helps reset the circadian rhythm.

So, my question to you (or others who may respond to your post), is the melatonin in t3 then? Or, could the t3 be a better alternative?

I feel a bit reluctant about melatonin in case it upsets thyroid, however, I really feel t3 could be what I need right now as I have no energy. 6 months has been so harsh on this low dose levothyroxine... I'm so darned tired!!! Yet, strangely enough, I fall off to sleep at night to then awake at 2 ish!!

I did not have sleep issues before I was put on low dose levothyroxine. Rather, within the first couple of weeks, I just slept every afternoon. Sometimes, not wanting to get up till next day! After 6 weeks, I started waking early morning 4ish and thought I better not sleep afternoon. (Made sense to me, sleep daytime awake night time).

Well now, I really do have circadian problems. Worse is right now, I'm soooo tired!!!

[cath1983 in reply to Supul]

Hi Supul! There's no melatonin in T3. Since you wake up at night, you may have adrenal/cortisol issues which the circadian T3 method is meant to help fix. You can read more information in Paul Robinson's books (Recovering with T3 and The Circadian T3 Method Handbook), on his blog Recovering with T3 and in his FB group of the same name.

[Supul in reply to cath1983]

Ah, thank you very much.

Yes, I saw Dr Peatfield last year, during a thyroid crises. He also diagnosed adrenal issues and prescribed supplements, telling me I didn't need the test as his physical exam (I love that man, when does a GP ever do physical exams these days! Lol), proved my adrenal problem.

I took the supplements immediately, and did the test anyway, so I would have a baseline reading. The test agreed with Dr Peatfield diagnosis.

However, I have now seen an endocrinologist (1st time, 28 years), and he advised me to stop supplements. So, reading your response, I guess that's his reasoning then?

I will see what endo says, my 6 month app next week!

I will also buy the book you recommend and research Paul Robinson's blog. So, thank you for that info.

I don't use FB.

Thank you for caring and sharing. X

[cath1983 in reply to Supul]

I think it's best to ask the endo himself about his reasoning, it's not obvious to me. But the general consensus among the thyroid patients is that endos don't understand adrenal issues, I think....

[Supul in reply to cath1983]

Thank you. I will ask endo. I was thinking perhaps he understands, if my adrenals were struggling, I will do well on melatonin, ensuring I get good sleep for optimum health improvement?

Yes, I understand endo consultants are not seen to have all the answers, from thyroid patient comments.... I will tread cautiously.

I've worked so hard, got lots of help, support, advice from HU members, I walk away from anything/anyone that undermines my progress.

You perhaps, won't be surprised, my appointment letter invites me to diabetic clinic! I will also discuss this with endo, as well as the fact, there are no leaflets or wall posters regarding thyroid issues in the hospital waiting area. Yet, much literature and posters (pictures etc showing best diet), for diabetic patients!

Am I missing something? Is thyroid health so complex (more than diabetes), or just all in secret from patients?

Diabetic patients get regular clinics, support, advice, taught to calibrate and check own bloods, self care meds/insulin....... opportunity to contact specialist nurse...

I feel, thyroid patients are left to get on with it, then criticised , (told they need antidepressants ,wonder if diabetic patients get that too), for so doing!

[CornishChick in reply to Supul]

I just read your thread and am interested in how you got on? I used to wake at 2am for hours, but now take slow release melatonin and antihistamine and mostly sleep through.

I found out that most endos are diabetic experts, and don’t know anything like as much as people on here about autoimmune stuff. The one I saw didn’t know about supplements which are vital to us, or about my linked autoimmune condition. I wasn’t impressed with mine! Good luck.

[cath1983 in reply to CornishChick]

Thanks for your reply! I started taking my morning adrenal cortex dose when I woke up before time, and it helped. Eventually, it just resolved itself, but then I abandoned the circadian method for other reasons.