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Hi I've been taking settlers antacids to try and relieve some Dreadful trapped wind, and just glanced at the leaflet and said it interacts with levo. Should it be avoided altogether or just taken at a good distance apart from levo? Does anyone know? I'm really uncomfortable and windeze isn't budging anything

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Levo is better absorbed in an acidic environment which is why absorption is better when fasting. You should take levo away from antacids.

Try magnesium citrate for trapped wind, crush a tablet in your mouth and keep it under your tongue for a minute or two before swallowing. This will relax the gut, trapped wind is usually the consequence of a contracted gut. The gut is smooth muscle, magnesium relaxes smooth muscle.

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That's the active ingredient in what I'm. Taking, so that's reassuring. It says to suck or chew, so I guess that's for the reasons you've said. I've just lost 4st with slimming world, and I've tried some different things this week as the weight loss was tapering off, and I think the volume of green veg(sprouts broccoli cabbage cauliflower) etc has just been too much for my tum! The pain is around my side heading towards my back, never had it before there, but I'm sure that's what it is.

Thanks 👍

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I'm confused! Settlers are calcium based not magnesium, calcium facilitates smooth muscle contraction which will aggravate trapped wind, although by reducing acidity they may promote peristalsis. By the way don't take magnesium citrate at the same time as levo as it will reduce acidity a touch.

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Hi on the back of what you said I dug out the box again and I think I've made some kind of cock up with the leaflets and they've got shoved in the wrong box, as your right, it's calcium based! So what I could have done with is the medication that belonged to the leaflet! Lol I'm gonna head off to boots and see if I can get some.

Thanks you

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Too many wind-inducing vegetables.

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Are u gluton free . Did it for me

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No I haven't looked at that yet, I know I need to. I've just been so focused on weight loss, that's been the priority. I've been hypo since 2014 and this is the first digestive upset I've had on this scale for a long time. I really want to look into the gluten side. Of things now.

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I was told to take 1hr after thyroid meds as will stop them from working effectively

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Your description of the pain doesn’t really sound like wind. I would see you GP for a check. Wind usually , for me, causes a lower stomach pain and bloating. Anything in your back and one sided should be checked out I think

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wind or gas can get trapped in the 2 flexures of the large intestine where it does a right hand bend -this can give rise to discomfort either under the ribs on the right or left hand side. IBS pain commonly can be felt in the back

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Root cause, finding out root cause. Look at your diet.

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Peppermint tea is great for wind. But as someone mentioned before side pain is unusual. Side and back pain is normally associated with urinary system. Like urine or kidney infection.

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Also gall bladder.

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I have this pain aswell-trapped wind can get anywhere in the body-especially acid too-uppershoulders-back of the neck and upper tummy- the back and lower back too!! Wind is incredibley painful. I have a hiatul hernia which causes me pain like that aswell combined with reflux acid, also being on periods can affect us and make more painful wind😨.

If it does not settle just see your gp as it could be a hernia or could be gallstones particulary on the right side heading towards the back but wind can get it the back too but you will find you probably have abit of acid there aswell. Good luck-hope you feel better too. Xx🌟🌟

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Thank you everyone 💜

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I suffer with colitis and get dreadfull trapped wind at times and I take colpermin for it. It comes in tablet form. You can find in on Internet, if you want to find a bit more about it. Best of luck.

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Foods which are rich in fibre, such as fruit and veggies, need the right amount of stomach acid and enzymes to break down food for proper absorption. If you are not producing the right amount of stomach acid to break food down it will cause anything from bloating diarrhea, constipation, gas and stomach pains.

Changing your diet could well have prompted your symptoms. Refined carbohydrates are easily digested and don't require a great deal of stomach acid unlike high fibre foods.

Dr Sarah Myhill has quite a few articles on her website about various types of malabsorption - here is a link about Hypochlorhydria (low stomach acid). Low and high acidity produces similar symptoms and although antacids will give relief maintaining low stomach acid will just exacerbate the problem.

drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Hypochl...

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If you have gut issues suggests you are under medicated for thyroid

Can you add most recent blood test results for TSH, FT4 and FT3 plus thyroid antibodies too

Also if had vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 add these results and ranges

TSH should be around one and FT4 towards top of range and FT3 at least half way in range.

Vitamins needs to be optimal, not just somewhere in range

Low stomach acid is very common when under treated. Same symptoms as high acid, but very different treatment

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Other things to help heal gut lining

Bone broth

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If your antibodies are high this is Hashimoto's, (also known by medics here in UK more commonly as autoimmune thyroid disease).

About 90% of all primary hypothyroidism in Uk is due to Hashimoto's

Hashimoto's affects the gut and leads to low stomach acid and then low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels affect Thyroid hormone working

Poor gut function can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances. Most common by far is gluten

According to Izabella Wentz the Thyroid Pharmacist approx 5% with Hashimoto's are coeliac, but over 80% find gluten free diet helps significantly. Either due to direct gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Dairy intolerance also fairly common

But don't be surprised that GP or endo never mention gut, gluten or low vitamins. Hashimoto's is very poorly understood

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and slowly lower TPO antibodies

Ideally ask GP for coeliac blood test first

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I thought I read recently on this site another post that some of those types of vegetables can decrease the effectiveness of thyroid medication absorption too. If you are taking them in excess perhaps that could be a factor.

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Really? Interesting.. I'm booked for second yearly blood test first week in April so I will see if that's the case. I've lost all. The Weight in the last six months and haven't had a blood test since so I will see what's going on 😊

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thats probably whats called the goitrogenic vegetables ( cabbage /broccoli etc) which should not be consumed in high doses raw but there doesnt seem to be any evidence that eating them cooked has a major negative effect on the thyroid

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If the pain is very localised and persistent I'd definitely say to get an urgent appointment - most gut problems are fairly intermittent, so this could be something else.

As far as diet is concerned, gluten free helped with my IBS symptoms and with weight loss, it was astonishing. Having a low carb breakfast with Betaine HCl (as I usually have some protein) seems to kick-start my metabolism. Protein is much better in the morning (for me). The Dopamine Diet recommended by Tom Kerridge is pretty good as a kind of guide to go by. This is good for diabetics too (I have had diabetic markers).

However, as you seem under-medicated I'd get onto your GP about this and your gut issues as the antacids really aren't helping. I agree with Slow Dragon and would recommend bone broths, powdered glutamine in water (morning only) to soothe the gut and lots of slow-cooked digestible meals (nothing fried) and omega 3 fats.

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In women these signs can mean a problem with the heart. Please get it checked as soon as possible your GP will not mine if it just turns out to be trapped wind

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high dose acidophilus has ‘cured’

My trapped wind for years now ...

Mx🌹

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OK, so I've took some peppermint oil, and 'been' a couple of times, pains still. There but seems less, and bloating again is there is reduced. Wondering if I've had a bit of a swollen bowel that's been pressing on something else causing the pain. Other thing I'm Considering is two years ago I was sent for a scan with similar symptoms which turned out to be ovarian cyst. I didnt have the severe bloating with it, but I've googled it can cause excessive bloating too. So I think I will. Watch and wait and if no better better Mon / Tues toddle off to the docs at least for a urine dip. Given the site of the pain.

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I drink sparkling water a lot that helps my heartburn

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Symptoms of over acidity are identical to underacidity, and underacidity is much more likely to be responsible. Consider taking digestive enzymes with meals or a small amount of cider vinegar. Brewers yeast helps as the underlying cause is a lack of the B vitamins, particularly B6 and magnesium combined, but the problem will most likely be worse for a short while when you first take it. You could try eating a few prunes before each meal to help clear the system, it's undigested food that causes the build up of gas. Regular intake of plain yogurt - especially goat's - helps too.

Grandmother had the same problem and if caught unawares in company she'd look at Grandfather and say reproachfully in a shocked voice, "Oh, Jim!!!" Whereupon Grandfather, being a gentleman, would promptly murmur, "Ladies and gentlemen, I do apologise." But as we all observed, he never said who he was apologising for. Happy days chuckle :-D Maje

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Sadly, wind is often caused by poor digestion, and to improve it, you need ACID and digestive enzymes. I'd look at taking a little lemon juice or vinegar (cider is best) in water before meals and buying some digestive enzymes.

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If you have a constant feeling of trapped wind do go to your doctor as may be something that needs checking from oesophagus down. I have had this in chest and is usually diet but needs checking. I used to be on Omeprazole almost daily, for acid reflux and now hardly take one a week as tweaked diet instead. Pastry is a no no and bread and biscuits, drinks especially anything with refined flour and sugar are the worst.

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Your symptoms sound like mine used to be. I was put on Omeprazole too, but I managed to wean myself off it by avoiding the same - I most certainly have a gluten intolerance and a dodgy gut biome. It's still a struggle. Apparently the majority of our gut bacteria gets fixed in the womb, so it's always going to default to that if we don't keep on top of it. There are some probiotics like kefir (homemade) that'll last the distance of our guts compared to a lot of commercially available ones. I need to get back onto making it when it's a bit warmer. (My winter-made kefir was rubbish.)

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Yes people have the wrong idea about what causes acid reflux and often blame the wrong things. The more alkali the foods the more the acid made by the stomach to cope. I'm not cutting out wheat altogether but only have a wheat based meal once a day preferably early then rice or potatoes etc later. Seems to work. Specialist few years ago wanted to quadruple omeprazole before another camera down the throat job and had no thoughts on diet. I refused to take that much but did develop kidney stones which were the most painful thing ever - some evidence have been related to antacids. Only take omeprazole now if have indulged in something I shouldn't or take preventative if going somewhere where no control over food available.

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For when you do get the acid reflux, you could try some glutamine powder in water. It worked really well for me and has a good press among alternatives to conventional medicine for GERD. However, the contra-indications to glutamine are liver disease, Reyes syndrome and kidney disease - it's also a stimulant, so not to take near bed-time.

Kidney infections are bad enough (I've been there - worse than labour pains) but stones - ouch!!

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Really interesting! 😊

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