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Hi I am currently taking 25 of Levo due to bloods when on 150 of

TSH 0.03 (0.2 - 4.2)

FT4 21.1 (12 - 22)

FT3 4.0 (3.1 - 6.8)

In Sep 2017 and my bloods of Dec 17 are

TSH 4.98 (0.2 - 4.2)

FT4 14.6 (12 - 22)

FT3 3.7 (3.1 - 6.8)

And I am trying to work out why I was overmedicated when I was on 150 before and my TSH was over range 2 years before

Jun 15

TSH 5.3 (0.2 - 4.2)

FT4 18.3 (12 - 22)

FT3 4.6 (3.1 - 6.8)

I have hard stools and tiredness and neck swelling, loss of appetite as well, thanks to anyone who can help me to understand

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SeasideSusieRemembering

Hi Lizze, welcome to the forum.

I am trying to work out why I was overmedicated when I was on 150

TSH 0.03 (0.2 - 4.2)

FT4 21.1 (12 - 22)

FT3 4.0 (3.1 - 6.8)

Actually, you weren't overmedicated. Your FT4 and FT3 are within range, in fact your FT3 is far too low and ideally you should have been given T3 added to a slightly reduced dose of Levo because your conversion of T4 to T3 is rather poor. Your doctor panicked because your TSH was suppressed and unfortunately most doctors dose by TSH because they don't understand thyroid disease. See thyroiduk.org/tuk/about_the... > Treatment Options

Dr Toft states in Pulse Magazine, "The appropriate dose of levothyroxine is that which restores euthyroidism and serum TSH to the lower part of the reference range - 0.2-0.5mU/l.

In this case, free thyroxine is likely to be in the upper part of its reference range or even slightly elevated – 18-22pmol/l. Most patients will feel well in that circumstance.

But some need a higher dose of levothyroxine to suppress serum TSH and then the serum-free T4 concentration will be elevated at around 24-28pmol/l.

This 'exogenous subclinical hyperthyroidism' is not dangerous as long as serum T3 is unequivocally normal – that is, serum total around T3 1.7nmol/l (reference range 1.0-2.2nmol/l)."

Dr Toft is past president of the British Thyroid Association and leading endocrinologist. You can obtain a copy of the article by emailing dionne.fulcher@thyroiduk.org print it and highlight question 6 to show your doctor.

By reducing your dose from 150mcg to 25mcg you can see how much damage has been done, you are now hypothyroid with an over range TSH so you need an increase in dose as per the above quote from Dr Toft

TSH 4.98 (0.2 - 4.2)

FT4 14.6 (12 - 22)

FT3 3.7 (3.1 - 6.8)

Changes to dose should only ever be made in 25mcg increments, never as much as 150mcg down to 25mcg.

Have you had thyroid antibodies tested? Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin? Were they raised?

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Lizze in reply to SeasideSusie

TPO antibody 887.5 (<34)

TG antibody 266.8 (<115)

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Lizze

Did you know that raised antibodies confirm autoimmune thyroid disease aka Hashimoto's? This is where antibodies attack the thyroid and gradually destroy it. The antibody attacks cause fluctuations in symptoms and test results.

Most doctors dismiss antibodies as being of no importance and know little or nothing about Hashi's and how it affects the patient, test results and symptoms. You need to read, learn, understand and help yourself where Hashi's is concerned.

You can help reduce the antibodies by adopting a strict gluten free diet which has helped many members here. Gluten contains gliadin (a protein) which is thought to trigger autoimmune attacks so eliminating gluten can help reduce these attacks. You don't need to be gluten sensitive or have Coeliac disease for a gluten free diet to help.

Supplementing with selenium l-selenomethionine 200mcg daily can also help reduce the antibodies, as can keeping TSH suppressed.

Gluten/thyroid connection: chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

stopthethyroidmadness.com/h...

stopthethyroidmadness.com/h...

hypothyroidmom.com/hashimot...

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

Hashi's and gut/absorption problems tend to go hand in hand and can cause low nutrient levels or deficiencies. Have you had vitamin and minera tests carried out?

Vit D

B12

Folate

Ferritin

If so please post the results, along with their reference ranges, say if you are supplementing, for how long, and the doses you are taking.

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Lizze in reply to SeasideSusie

Ok thanks

Dec 2017

Ferritin 44 (30 - 400)

Folate 3.8 (4.6 - 18.7)

Vitamin B12 543 (190 - 900)

Vitamin D 58.2 (50 - 75 suboptimal)

I take 1 iron tablet since Mar 2017, have B12 injections every 3 months since Feb 2017 and take Better You 3000iu oral spray since Sep 2017

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SeasideSusieRemembering in reply to Lizze

Ferritin 44 (30 - 400)

For thyroid hormone to work (that's our own as well as replacement hormone) ferritin needs to be at least 70, preferably half way through range. As you have been taking iron tablets since March 2017, it's obvious that (1) one tablet is not enough or your level would be higher after 12 months supplementing and (2) absorption is not all that good.

Are you taking your iron tablet with 1000mg Vit C to aid absorption? Are you taking it 4 hours away from thyroid meds and 2 hours away from any other meds and supplements (necessary because iron affects their absorption)?

You can also help raise your level by eating liver regularly, maximum 200g per week due to it's high Vit A content, and including lots of iron rich foods in your diet apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/in...

Were you ever tested for iron deficiency anaemia, did you have an iron panel and full blood count?

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Vitamin B12 543 (190 - 900)

If you find you flag between injections you can always top up with sublingual methylcobalamin lozenges.

Folate 3.8 (4.6 - 18.7)

Your folate level is dire. B12 and folate work together and folate should be at least half way through it's range. Yours is below range. Has your GP prescribed folic acid? If not then point out to him/her that your level is below range and you need it treated appropriately.

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Vitamin D 58.2 (50 - 75 suboptimal)

If I were you I would increase the dose to 6000iu daily

for a couple of months and retest in May. The Vit D Council recommends a level of 100-150nmol/L, once you have reached this level you can reduce to a maintenance dose which you will need to find by trial and error. Retest twice a year when supplementing to keep within the recommended range.

There are important cofactors needed when taking D3

vitamindcouncil.org/about-v...

D3 aids absorption of calcium from food and K2-MK7 directs the calcium to bones and teeth where it is needed and away from arteries and soft tissues where it can be deposited and cause problems.

D3 and K2 are fat soluble so should be taken with the fattiest meal of the day, D3 four hours away from thyroid meds.

Magnesium helps D3 to work and comes in different forms, check to see which would suit you best and as it's calming it's best taken in the evening, four hours away from thyroid meds

naturalnews.com/046401_magn...

Check out the other cofactors too.

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Clutter

Welcome to the forum, Lizze.

Was it your GP or endo who reduced dose from 150mcg to 25mcg? Did they explain why?

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Lizze in reply to Clutter

Thanks it was me who reduced it, my GP said the TSH was below range 0.03 which meant I was overmedicated and I panicked

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Clutter in reply to Lizze

Lizze,

TSH 0.03 is suppressed but FT4 and FT3 were within range so you weren't overmedicated. Even if you were overmedicated the correct response would have been to reduce dose by 25mcg and recheck levels after 6 weeks.

How long have you been taking 25mcg?

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Lizze in reply to Clutter

Since November 2017

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Clutter in reply to Lizze

Lizze,

Well I don't advise you resume 150mcg but you are undermedicated on 25mcg so you could increase to 50mcg/75mcg alternate days and retest in 6 weeks.

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Lizze in reply to Clutter

Ok thank you

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