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Hi is this easy/affordable to do? I have Hashimotos and I am not the best at cooking. Thanks

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lizziep

Hi. Not easy or very affordable until you get into the swing of it. But If you stick to simple home prepared food it will lower the cost, the substitute gf foods are expensive. Fruit, vegetables and meat all gf but take care with gravy powders, stock cubes etc. I have found my thyroid results are much better since going gf. Good luck

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Hypopotamus

No, it is not easy or inexpensive. It is much easier to do a low gluten diet, and not become obsessed (or stressed) about avoiding it completely.

Better to address the cause of any gluten insensitivity by getting your gut healthy using probiotics like water Kefir and fermented vegetables, both fairly easy to make cheaply at home.

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dang in reply to Hypopotamus

Hypopotamus, I don’t mean to disagree but for most people with sensitivity if you don’t eliminate Gluten 100% (for many months straight) you can’t actually get the benefits as even a small amount from time to time (parts per million) is enough to cause reactions and inflammation for people with AI problems.

It’s important for members here to stick to a GF diet 100% for at least 4-6 months to see if there is a benefit for them, any little cheating sets them back those 4-6 months.

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Hypopotamus in reply to dang

I did a total elimination for over a year, but it didn't make me any better. If you have a sensitivity to something, you can remove it from your diet, or you can treat the sensitivity. I think that the second option is more practical.

But each to their own of course, and if it is affordable, and bearable, then elimination is an option. The question is then what happens when you go back to eating the gluten.

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dang in reply to Hypopotamus

I understand that with some people going GF doesn’t help. I had assumed you were one of those people in question. I was mostly just bringing to your attention the fact that most of us actually benefit from it, so in this case it’s not so wise to recommend to someone else who is about to start that it’s better to do a “low gluten diet” rather than gluten free. Let them find out if it works for them by being vigilant, since if they aren’t vigilant than they will guaranteed not get a good result from it (even if it is in fact beneficial to them).

You can’t really treat gluten sensitivity with fermented foods. People who are gluten sensitive are likely sensitive to many other thing as well due to lack of enzymes in their gut microbiota, so I have to say if someone is gluten sensitive they can likely also be histamine intolerant in which the whole fermented thing will only make them more sick. The fermented thing works great for people who have healthier microbiota, but as we damage our guts we instantly start to lose enzymes, if the inflammation is in the duodenum (and that person is also taking levothyroxine) you’ll have someone who is histamine intolerant and can’t take fermented foods. I fear many people on this forum are in this situation but they don’t realize and it and follow advice of other members for whom fermented foods work well.

Sorry for the long reply, my main point is what works for one doesn’t work for another, and to know what works we need a mix of diligence when trying a new therapy and blood work to confirm it.

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MrsRaven

It’s not easy. You need to scratch build everything you cook at home, and become paranoid about reading labels in supermarkets. I inadvertently ate something with gluten in on Sunday and was a mess for three days (I am gluten intolerant, suspected coeliac as its in my family).

Eating out is the worst bit. Even buying a snack. Everything has bread, pastry, breadcrumbs or batter in it or around it. Cafes and restaurants have by law to show you which dishes are gluten free and some even mark them. But you will find that we’re catered for worse than vegetarians are. You’ll find yourself eating omelette and salad, ham egg and chips and chocolate flavoured dog biscuits all the time while everyone else is munching pies, pasties, luscious cream cakes and fabulous pasta dishes.

There is an increasing awareness of gluten issues in the catering trade and I am finding local places that cater for gluten free more and more. But it’s expensive.

I buy a gluten free loaf in Asda for a couple of quid and put it in the freezer. A slice of toast now and then means I can make it last several weeks. Gluten free cakes and biscuits are a luxury as are gluten free cereals and porridge oats. But as I am on a low carb diet I don’t really miss them. Low carb is better for hypothyroid anyway.

If you need to strictly go gf the only gravy powder I’ve found on general sale that’s suitable is Bisto Best. It’s expensive but you can mix it with cornflour.

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MrsRaven in reply to MrsRaven

Just out of interest the Prezzo Italian restaurant chain does an almost full gluten free menu of their pasta dishes and pizzas. But they use only fusilli pasta, which slightly takes the gloss off it as it’s not so good

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lizziep in reply to MrsRaven

Local Prezzo have twice served me normal pasta when I ordered gluten free, luckily I spotted it both times 😕

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MrsRaven in reply to lizziep

It’s not hard to spot because they only use fusilli for gf meals. It’s not a problem I’ve ever had, though fusilli is not my pasta of choice. Somebody either didn’t know the ropes or they got the order mixed up. I eat in one of three Prezzos as far as 25 miles away because they offer gf options

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Fruitandnutcase in reply to MrsRaven

Same here Mrs R - low carb, gluten free :)

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MrsRaven in reply to Fruitandnutcase

Also lactose or A1 protein free, and high protein no caffeine and high fat. It’s a good diet for me. And my cholesterol has dropped a lot too

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Rmichelle in reply to MrsRaven

Oh my god what do you eat!!!😊

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MrsRaven in reply to Rmichelle

Meat fish salads dairy eggs green veg. Small amounts of legumes and root veg, ice cream, bacon, burgers, and some fruit. And as much as I can stuff down my neck. I don’t exactly starve lol

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Rmichelle in reply to MrsRaven

Lol, good i had visions of you looking dim and grey with a lettuce leaf. So glad. Checked out bistos best it is gf but sadly for me it contains soya, as i dont eat that either.😠

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MrsRaven in reply to Rmichelle

I don’t normally eat soya but haven’t had any problem with bisto best as you use little of it. I once stopped at a big snack van on Dartmoor and there was literally nothing gluten free in the menu. I explained to the girl running it and she said not a problem, found some big crisp lettuce leaves, some sliced ham, cheese, tomato slices salad dressing and made a thick roll with them. It was delicious and she charged us the same as for a ham and cheese roll. I got twice as much of everything too lol

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Rmichelle in reply to MrsRaven

Fantastic, you see i wouldnt have thought to do that- not that i eat macdonalds food but i believe their gf burgers are lettuce leafs wrapped around the burger!! I would still worry over the wheat in the burger or cross contamination.x

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MrsRaven in reply to Rmichelle

I would from somewhere like that, but my butchers burgers are gf and he makes me luscious gf sausages, though Richmond gf pork are nice too

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Tristy in reply to Rmichelle

Tesco Free From Chicken Gravy Granules is really tasty and doesn't contain soya.

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Rmichelle in reply to Tristy

Thankyou tristy i dont mind the kalio sachet but it does not last very long!

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MrsRaven in reply to Tristy

It’s not gf either

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E_lizab8 in reply to MrsRaven

Me too and I also have fructose intolerance so almost no fruit either,(nor sweet stuff), but feel great so worth it.

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MrsRaven in reply to E_lizab8

I am not supposed to eat fruit because of the sugar content but I allow myself 50g or less of carbs a day so if I have fruit I cut something else

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Heather561 in reply to Rmichelle

It's not as bad as you think once you get your head round it. It's like we used to eat before processed food which is full of additives. Flour is in such a lot of our food, bread, cakes, pies, biscuits, pasta, etc. I now eat lots of eggs, so scrambled with grated parmesan for breakfast with good coffee & a glass of pure orange juice. Lunch can be fish, seafood, veg, home made wedges potatoes/sweet potatoes. Evening meal, meat, bacon, sausage, veg, etc. Mid morning have a plain yogurt & fruit & mid afternoon have grated carrot with fruit. Only cook with coconut oil or butter. There are so many differing views on a thyroid diet but I follow Tom Brimeyer's.

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MrsRaven in reply to Heather561

I have scrambled eggs most mornings, or a banana smoothie with an egg yolk in it. Sometimes bacon and eggs. That keeps me going for hours. A snack for lunch usually yoghurt or a piece of cheese and glass of milk, then something meaty with veg or salad around 6 pm not big portions either

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Fruitandnutcase in reply to MrsRaven

I make a two egg omelette every day, I either put blueberries, sliced mushrooms or spinach in it or for a special treat because it’s a bit heavy on the carbs I’ll mash a ripe banana into it, it looks more like a pancake and tastes delicious then I have half a pink grapefruit. For lunch I usually have soup of sort and a handful of mixed nuts and seeds and at night I have something like chicken or fish with some sort of green vegetables and maybe a baby new potato or two, I don’t eat a lot of potatoes though. Sad to say though I’m a great pudding fan who doesn’t like yoghurt so I often have berries with a spoonful of cream.

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MrsRaven in reply to Fruitandnutcase

I’m not keen on a lot of fruit but I love persimmon so have one now and then. I am not a big eater. Often just have a mushroom omelette and salad at night. Can’t sleep on a big meal anyway

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Rmichelle in reply to MrsRaven

Ooh i didnt know bistos best was gf!! Ive been buying Kalio beef gravy sachet for around 99p only does 2 helping really. I will check it out.x lol i agree eating out is the worse as you have to trust dont you? 😊

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MrsRaven in reply to Rmichelle

It’s easy to make gravy and sauces with cornflour too, though it sometimes needs a knob of butter for flavour. I think it’s McDougals do cornflour/white sauce granules that are Gf but they’re not easy to get now. Morrisons had them at one time. I can get them through the landlady of a pub we eat at that caters for gluten free.

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Rmichelle in reply to MrsRaven

Its hard to find a decent ready made gravy, but you cant beat homemade can you, i think the only time hubby or i do that is at christmas time.x

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MrsRaven in reply to Rmichelle

I make all my sauces and gravies unless I’m in a rush. Several places sell good sauces, with no gluten including Lidl and Asda. I’m a bit of a foodie and I rarely use ready made though.

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E_lizab8 in reply to Rmichelle

Every time we have a roast I make extra gravy and freeze it, just add a spoonful of water and heat up stirring well and instant gravy for another day.

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Rmichelle in reply to E_lizab8

Good idea, im no cook as my hubby loves to do dinner.x

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lizziep in reply to MrsRaven

It is very hard to eat out safely. I am allergic to egg too, so it's usually a jacket potato for me 😒

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Triplet54 in reply to MrsRaven

I had a rare treat when doing the weekly shop last Saturday morning - got quite excited when a big supermarket - beginning with S and ending with burys lol - had got a gluten free breakfast menu on show - so I ordered cheese and mushroom omlette. It came with hash browns and beans ! Asked the waitress if it was definetely gf - she did'nt know what coealic/gf meant then said maybe the omlette had flour in it !! She then brought me the allergy book where I had to check myself if the hash browns and beans were gf. Ten minutes later the gluten free menu disappeared.

Come on people - train your staff ! OK I'd be really ill if I ate gluten but it frightens me if they have this gung ho attitude to all allergies/intolerances - my young grandson has a very severe intolerance to nuts - which could kill him !!

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MrsRaven in reply to Triplet54

Why would anybody put flour in an omelette? I get a bit annoyed when I get a book full of ingredients dumped in front of me with the “sort it yourself” attitude.

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Triplet54 in reply to MrsRaven

My hubby loves chinese buffet - frightens the life out of me being coeliac ! Diagnosed 2 years ago then visited buffet and asked for gf options. I think book they brought me was War & Peace ! Then they asked me to sign a disclaimer in case I was ill ! Needless to say I hope Jane Doe never eats in there lol !! I've never been back !!

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Triplet54 in reply to MrsRaven

I'm sure there was no flour in the omelette but obviously the staff member didn't cook, she thought you put flour in to thicken the eggs, I had to stop myself from laughing when I explained the omelette thickened up whilst cooking. The look of amazement of her face was amazing - I felt like Santa !!

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Ebs73

Hi, it's easy if you just eat all fresh fruits, salads, vegetables, eggs, fish, dairy and meats, nuts and seeds etc... if you rely on supermarket food it will be unhealthy and expensive ie gluten free bread, biscuits etc.... there are very many recipes online for puddings and breads that are gluten or even grain free. So say you eat meat and veg ie lamb, potatoes and broccoli, or baked chicken with cauliflower mash, or a smoked salmon salad.... if you make these simple meals yourself they will be gluten free by default. You just have to change the way you think about food and learn to cook basic meals from scratch. Try to have shop bought gf stuff as a 'treat' I've been gluten free about 8 years I think and tried it on and off for a few years before that and always felt better off gluten. I also did a Paleo type diet for a few years to heal my tummy and was completely grain free, dairy free and sugar free, Paleo is very very strict! Good luck with it all and remember you can Google recipes and also watch videos on YouTube of people cooking simple gluten free meals or desserts.

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Fruitandnutcase in reply to Ebs73

Couldn’t agree more Ebs, that’s exactly the sort of stuff we eat (I only cook GF at home) and like you Paleo sounds good but it’s a bit extreme for me.

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MrsRaven in reply to Fruitandnutcase

Paleo suits me down to the ground. And I love it luckily. Carbs are a killer fir me. I don’t eat any baked foods, and very limited root veg, because too much makes me blow up like a balloon and takes an age to go through me

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Fruitandnutcase

Hi Tara,

Sorry - really cannot agree with hypopotamus. Low gluten is definitely not the same as being gluten free. You can’t be ‘almost’ gluten free, you either are or you are not. You can still get your gut healthy with kefir etc but I found that much harder work than just eliminating gluten and it involved changing my diet quite a bit.

I started by joining Coeliac UK and getting their ‘bible’ which lists every available ingredient and food. I don't buy a lot from the ‘free from’ aisles as they can be expensive. You also get website access and a useful magazine.

Gluten free is better if you cook yourself from scratch. I didcovered how easy it was when I used to have to cater for a couple of people who were Coeliac. To me cooking gluten free is kind of like good old fashioned home cooking only minus wheat so I tyicken with cornflour.

You have to read ingredients on everything you buy because you will be amazed at where they sneak in wheat. I bought a little single sized tub of nuts in M&S without checking, well why would you put wheat in with huts? Fortunately I read the ingredients before I opened the tub but that was very annoying and a real wake up call that I had to check absolutely everything. That’s where the Coeliac U.K. bible with its lists of ingredients and foods, restaurants that are GF friendly etc comes in.

There are loads of gluten free recipe books around that would help you, I went a bit overboard to begin with, I liked the little books in the NOSH series, I also go for recipe books with simple ingredients and as few ingredients as possible. I do use xanthan gum from time to time but generally I don’t want to do anything different to what I used to do before. I bake cakes using Dove’s Farm GF flour instead of regular flour, they have a website with GF recipes.

The thing I found most difficult was snacking on the move because so many of the things I used to eat contained gluten but I’ve found that if I’m really stuck then I buy something like a chicken drumstick from M&S, or I often Carry a little tub of mixed nuts. I don’t eat GF bread because grain based Carbs spike my blood sugar, bread is quite expensive and although I love Schar bread I tend not to buy it because I was wasting it because I ate so little it would go off. I should have frozen it and I could have toasted it but I wasn’t that organised. Junk food is still junk food even if it is GF and it isn’t cheap so I just don’t buy that sort of stuff - apart from my weakness for Tesco GF chocolate brownies which I love. I can make my own but sometimes I need a quick fix.

So definitely look at the Coeliac U.K. site, a look online for GF recipes, try to stick to the sort of stuff you would eat anyway only take anything that would have gluten in it away. Start simple, get yourself a few basic recipes that are quick to make and that you feel confident with and you’ll be off. You’ll also get to be a good cook. There’s an HU Gluten Free Guerillas link on this site too that’s worth looking at. So good luck. Just remember you either are gluten free or you’re not, there’s no half way.

I’ve been totally gluten free for two years now and in that time my thyroid antibodies have dropped from being really high to being really low, I’ve still got a few lurking around but compared to what I started with the difference is amazing. I would never go back to eating gluten again.

Even this week when my other half was having a big operation and I was tempted to comfort eat and have a giant fruit scone (the thing I miss most!) I just couldn’t make myself do it - I had a chunk of GF chocolate brownie instead but I would love to have had the scone.

So good luck, you won’t regret it.

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MrsRaven in reply to Fruitandnutcase

I agree totally

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Rmichelle in reply to Fruitandnutcase

Hi fruitandnut i would love a big sugary jam doughnut thats what i miss most of all- i can taste it now!!🍤🍮

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Cooper27 in reply to Fruitandnutcase

I second joining coeliac UK - they now have an app with a barcode scanner, so you can check if it's gluten free quickly. It costs £25 but is a good investment for your first year.

It's easier being gluten free than coeliac though - a bread crumb won't hurt you, but it would leave a coeliac quite ill.

My OH is coeliac, and it's not been too bad to get our heads around, but the "may contain" disclaimers drive me nuts! I've been mostly gluten free, except for a bit of brown sauce on oven chips about once a week. I miss proper bacon rolls the most...

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E_lizab8 in reply to Fruitandnutcase

Too true, being partly gluten free is like being partly pregnant, impossible, I've been GF now for 5 years and even though there are a few odd things I miss I would never go back as I feel so much better.

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Rmichelle

Hi im celiac so have to stick with it but i dont find it hard at all, yes you have to take time and educate yourself on what is gluten foods etc but like everyone has said meat veg fruit fish potaoes eggs cheese are all naturally free, i do eat all of these and i am no cook either😨 i also do buy frozen ready meals and they tend not to be overly expensive and also but warburtons gluten free wraps or bread. Biscuits and cakes i also buy for treats and find marks and spencers fo a lovely selection of cakes and so do asda and morrisons and there is no need to go without if you are desperate for a sweet snack.

It can be time consuming and frustrating at first as you do have to check ingredients that are not labelled as gluten free and the only real pain is eating out as you are putting your trust in other people not to cross contaminate so there are only a couple of places i eat out out. Another thing at home is that i have seperate oven cooking tray for my food to be cooked on it cant go on the same tray as gluten food as been on- this one drives me mad, when my hubby makes a sandwich and dips the knife in the butter and puts it on the bread and back in the butter it goes- then its got bits of bread all in the butter- agggh!!! No good for me then.

Give it ago for a few mo ths at least as it takes time and its not as dire as it seems- also watch out for chocolate aswell- there is only one brand of choccy i eat occassionally as most all choccy contains Soy and i dont eat that either as its bad for thyroid conditions. Good luck.😊

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E_lizab8 in reply to Rmichelle

I agree, eating out is a bit of a pain and gets boring when you can only have meat,fish and salad or veggies, not even chips unless they have a dedicated chip fryer. I have fructose intolerance too so most sweet things,(and fruit), are also off the menu, in fact I now eat low carb which really suits me, when I eat carbs I get really bloated. No problem with hubbys bread and butter as he likes the GF bread that I make so we rarely have normal bread in the house now.

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Triplet54 in reply to E_lizab8

I find the commercial gf bread disgusting - similiar to a bath sponge. I've spent hundreds on strange flours and ingredients. I need your recipe for homemade gf bread lol !!! Even the birds won't eat my failed breads !!

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Mazzahk

I took the decision to go gluten free at the start of the year and it’s the best thing I’ve done. Friends and family always remark on the difference it has made. I don’t find it overly difficult or expensive. Yes, you need to educate yourself and take care to read labels but to me that is a small price worth paying for good health. Best is to cook using fresh foods at home. I also bake using Dove Farm GF flours and no one notices the difference - cakes are just as tasty. Specific GF foods are more expensive in the supermarket but as most of these are “treats”, I look on this as a good thing that I avoid them. I do sometimes buy microwave dinners but again if you look at the labels you’ll find there are plenty “normal” ones that are GF. When eating out, it is important to check but I find that lots of places are very careful about giving you GF and are very helpful. Good luck!

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dizzy864

Unfortunately, no one could answer how a vegetarian - no meat or fish could eat out when abroad and when travelling!!

When Europe catches up with the fact that there are a lot of people that need or want to go gluten free, I'll be able to improve my quality of life.

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Marz in reply to dizzy864

celiactravel.com/cards/

I have lived in Crete since 2004 and our food is amazing. Most Greeks traditionally eat little meat. The Starters Menu is always much longer than the Mains. My hubby has just toddled off to collect a takeaway - Fava - Horta - Stuffed Cabbage Leaves. All VERY delicious and filling. Am not feeling good today so we are having an in-house treat ....

Hope you find the above link useful :-)

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Rmichelle in reply to Marz

Oh i feel so jealous i can imagine you now on your patio by the pool and lovely warm sun.😊 i can dream.x

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Rmichelle in reply to Rmichelle

Ha im in my living room with the fire up and a bowl of soup.grey outside.😕

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Marz in reply to Rmichelle

Sadly not - happily indoors as it is a little cloudy today 😎

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dizzy864 in reply to Marz

We have found a very good Greek restaurant in Stuttgart, however it is the only one in a very large area. Food is very good but the vege menu includes bread with every thing. Yes, could drop the bread but then not much of a meal is left!!

We do have an excellent Greek / English restaurant in our small village. They are really accommodating for all food allergies. A varied menu makes this easy. The main help is they speak the language.

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Cooper27 in reply to dizzy864

A lot of European countries are better than the UK - Italy & Spain are supposed to be fantastic. Use this map to find gluten free venues wherever you wish to visit:

coeliacmap.com

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Fruitandnutcase in reply to Cooper27

A Coeliac friend of mine was eating out in Italy. There was a bit of a delay for his GF food and it turned out the owner of the restaurant had totally cleaned out the frier before he cooked my friend’s meal to make sure it was uncontaminated for him. He said Italy was excellent for him - he was in Florence - he took us somewhere and we had tapas and again he had lots of choice.

I like Nando’s - they are very careful with their gf food. I’ve had the cook come out a couple of times to double check when we have ordered gf and non gf. I feel they take cross contamination etc very seriously.

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dizzy864 in reply to Cooper27

Hi,

Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I visit Stuttgart, Germany seven or eight times a year as my eldest son lives there. It seems to be in a big black hole as far as the map is concerned. Which is exactly what it is in practice. English is no problem out and about - always someone with sufficient English to help with directions. Eating out is another matter - Ethnic restaurants speak German and their home language but no English so impossible to ask about GF.

We also visit rural Spain - right down south - it's off the map but again from experience no GF. Again language is often a problem in restaurants.

The biggest problem is when we travel sight seeing to a new town. I have to eat every three hours or so as I have a problem with my blood sugar crashing. Often we can't find a vege restaurant and we go to a bakery for coffee and cake - definitely no GF options.

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Cooper27 in reply to dizzy864

It's a big difficulty - although the map is rated by coeliac's, who have more stringent requirements when it comes to gluten-free, so a blank spot doesn't always mean there's nowhere.

Spanish supermarkets are supposed to be very good at labelling, I wonder if you would get on better self-catering in Spain? We've not had a gluten free holiday yet, but that's the feedback we had.

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milupa in reply to dizzy864

European legislation has been in place for a while now: The main allergenic ingredients have to be listed bold in the ingredient list for all packaged or unpackaged food. As mentioned before, getting the appropriate language cards helps, but Germany’s second languge is English (actually, in Berlin English seems to be the main language) and there are several English websites that list suitable restaurants/cafés. Raw/vegan venues are always gluten free, if you don’t mind the carbs, and the keto/paleo movement is growing across Europe.

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dizzy864 in reply to milupa

Hi, Yes cards help with the language, but they only help if the place actually offers G F food. From my experience in the Stuttgart area, I only have it confirmed that the food contains Gluten and that there are no GF options for vegetarians. I have yet to find a vegetarian or vegan restaurant in Stuttgart in spite of seven years of visiting. But my husband is not vegetarian and he refuses to visit them any way. We need to find restaurants that are both vege friendly and GF and offer local dishes for my husband. This has proved impossible for me.

European legislation is a bit of a farce. Smoking has been banned in public places for several years and yet smoking still goes on in pubs and bars in both Spain and Germany. Sometimes because of the premises size or just some other random reason.

As I understand it, the legislation only states that we must be told what the food contains. It does not have anything to do with being G F. We just have the right to know that food contains Gluten. This is not helpful if no G F food is offered. There is no compulsion for places to offer G F or vegetarian food.

We always stay in self catering accommodation. But we enjoy travelling about. Eating out for us is a big pleasure. We don't travel so we can stay in the apartment so I can spend hours in the kitchen cooking. We always eat out. My husband really enjoys sampling the local cuisine. He has accepted that his choice of restaurants is determined by me being vege. We've always managed to compromise in where we find to eat. It has been difficult at times. We rarely eat out in this country.

Yesterday we went to a local pub chain for lunch. Their menu did include the additives etc in each dish. For me there was a choice of pasta or pastry tart. There was no GF option for vegetarians other than vegetable soup and salad!! To me this isn't a proper meal.

When I first became a vege, 43 years ago it was impossible for me to eat out. I once went into Mc Donalds. It was not my choice, I was with a large group of friends. I asked for a roll - no burger -and chips. I was told they had to put the burger in the roll and that I could take it out if I did not want to eat it. I explained that that would put the meat juices in the roll and I could not eat it. I asked if they could put it on another plate. Reply was, "No". I could not have just chips either!!

Being G F is much like being vege forty years ago. It's wrong but not sure what we can do about it.

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milupa in reply to dizzy864

Hi dizzy864 - I understand your dilemma: You have to be able to rely on the staff to understand and apply gf rules...

I had many amazing gf meals in Germany: I google glutenfree+town, speak to the restaurant beforehand and choose small, owner run places that cook from scratch.

I avoid asian restaurants because the language barrier creates a higher risk. :(

A chain similar to Pizza Express, Vapiano, has a dedicated gf menu (two branches in Stuttgart). Organic supermarkets are everywhere and are good for stocking up on gf/v snacks. The health food shops (Reformhaus) have large gf/v sections now.

Small, individually owned pubs and bars, were rapidly going out of business, which is why exceptions to the no-smoking law were permitted in some areas.

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dizzy864 in reply to milupa

Hi, We have tried phoning several restaurants to ask about vege menu. We've never had much success - they never have anyone that speaks English!!

I don't eat pizza unless I absolutely have to - it's very high in calories and it's too heavy for my stomach.

I think the main problem is that where we actually go in Germany is the very outskirts of Stuttgart. As far out as one can go and still be called Stuttgart. The main Stuttgart restaurants are too far away - it takes too long - a bus or little train and then two further trains.

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milupa in reply to dizzy864

Hi dizzy864 - I hear you! Small town Germany (here I include the suburbs) is years behind the healthy food movement in the cities.

I am on a low carb, autoimmune protocol but not vegetarian. It must be difficult for you! When I fancy pizza I use the keto pizza base ‘lizza’ which is available in rewe/edeka supermarkets or online, maybe that’s an option for your next visit?

Still, enjoy your next trip (xmas markets are the worst for gf/v though, sorry!)

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TraceyLE

In contrast to the other replies I have found it fairly easy. You do have to look at labels more and I make cakes and biscuits from gluten free flour. I have been very strict for over a year and have lost over a stone in weight. More importantly my antibodies have dropped from 2600 to 1999 so far and my aches and pains are far less. My medication has also gone from 175 to 150 and I expect it to come down further. I do supplement all the normal vits as well though. Be aware though that I now can't eat wheat without having the trots the next day. I feel so much better now though this will be a life style choice for me now. As to eating out I research pubs with a gluten free menu and it is made more difficult as they have to be dog friendly as we take ours everywhere. I am also vegetarian which doesn't help. Good luck if you decide to go for it.

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dizzy864 in reply to TraceyLE

How do you cope abroad? Cooking and eating in an apartment is easy enough but how do you cope when you go sight seeing to a new place?

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Tristy

On the note of gravy - Tesco Free From Chicken Gravy Granules is really tasty and doesn't contain soya.

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Raucous

Looks like you've had loads of advice but i would say it is easy if you are used to cooking your own food rather than buying ready made. I am vegetarian which is much harder as lots of veggie alternatives like the Tival range use wheat protein, but I reckon if I was a meat eater the only difference would be bread & pastry. There are plenty of gluten free breads to choose from and actually making your own pastry is really not hard there are loads of good recipe websites too - I recommned Glutenfreeonashoestring which I use a lot.

Just READ ALL LABELS - I was caught out last week by a lloyd grossman tomato & mushroom sauce that had wheat in the flavouring!!

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HLAB35

I'm 100% gluten, 95% lactose and casein free now. I do have full fat dairy though e.g. butter and occasionally clotted cream and vintage mature hard cheeses (for the vitamin k2). Regular milk doesn't work for me at all, but there are thankfully, a good number of alternatives. Gluten free is hard if you're used to having a lot of starchy carbs. I don't eat sandwiches - gluten free bread is only good for toast in my opinion. So breakfast is eggs with toast, sometimes a full English! Lunch is cooked and so is Dinner. I rarely eat pasta / pizza now. Roast Dinners are my favourite.

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dang

I’m going to go ahead and disagree with every other person here 😂. But maybe this has to do with my own personal experience.

I found going gluten free annoying at first, but in the long run very easy. All you need to do is avoid things with gluten and in the meantime introduce healthier things into your diet. There are also so many gluten free alternatives for pasta, bread or whatever, I’ll admit I do still eat the gf pasta, but I’ve totally stopped eating any type of gf bread and I actually prefer that since I’m not making sandwiches anymore (which I definitely overdid as a quick and easy meal).

I mean if you love snacks and chocolate bars and sugary cereal it’s not going to be fun switching to GF but let’s be honest that stuff wasn’t good for you anyway. Once you feel the benefits of going GF you won’t find it hard anymore, instead you’ll wonder why the hell you didn’t do it sooner.

And let me tell you from my experience, I am GF, but I also have histamine Intolerance along with Fructose Intolerance (meaning there are even tons of fruits and veggies I can’t eat, I can’t have any canned or processed food AT ALL, that includes cheese and even pickles and olives, no deli, no restaurants, nothing fermented) so trust me when I say GF is not hard compared to those other things, it’s just one tiny little ingredient to avoid. Get some gluten free corn flakes, some gluten free pasta, and start cooking more veggies, get your carbs and fibre that way. It’s just a habit change but trust me YOU CAN DO IT, the thought is harder than the actual follow through. Become quick at reading ingredient lists and you’ll master it 😉

I wish you all the best!

Dan

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