B12, D, folate, ferrous

[marigold22]

Probably Marz will know the answer to this - Is there a medical paper or something written somewhere that states Vits B12, D, ferrous & folate assist with the uptake of T4/T3 ? How has this become common knowledge to you folks here?

[Marz]

tpauk.com/main/article/low-...

Lots on the internet - thought the above could be helpful

I have only learned from others who know more than me !

[Pastille in reply to Marz]

That's a very good link, I've never seen it all explained so clearly, thanks

[Revsie in reply to Marz]

Thanks for this info Marz , I've printed this off for me to have a good read and a further copy for my friend who's also suffering as a hypothyroid sufferer. Very interesting stuff ....and I can actually understand it through my brain fog which is a bonus!

[Hidden in reply to Marz]

Thanks Marz for the link you have given,which I will print out for both myself and a friend.......When I was first diagnosed hypo and was recommended vitamin testing by people here, I remember thinking that can't be a problem for me because I spend so much money on fresh vegetables, fruit and salad and all our meals are cooked from fresh.... meat,fish,eggs etc. However,when I asked my GP for tests on folate,Vit D and B12 they all came back low!!..... Perhaps being left on 50mcgs Levo for 10years by my GP, still with debilitating symptoms whilst being assured there was nothing wrong with me might say a lot. Thank goodness we can rely on our friends here to help us understand what effect Hypothyroidism has on our lives and how we can help ourselves to improve things.I'm lucky to have found a good Endo too whom I can rely on for my thyroid care........so,vitamin testing IS essential.

[radd]

marigold,

Remember most doctors//endos have absolutely no interest in the necessary nutrients, etc required to keep us well but as Hashi patients many of us are prone to MTHFR issues and other autoimmune disease. This inflammatory wear on our bodies means nutrients//iron may be difficult to utilise so optimal levels are necessary.

We learn as it is repeatedly stated in such books as written by Datis Kharrazian, Chris Kesser, Isabella Wentz, etc and sometimes we have to look deeper than the superficial problem. B12 & folate deficiencies are commonly seen in patients with gut issues and PA (autoimmune). Vitamin D is enormous in balancing the immune system and influences the expression of inflammation and blood glucose.

Therefore investigation in to these topics as opposed to direct hypothyroidism will bring credible referenced articles. Also explore pubmed .... links below were produced from just a quick search.

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Iron & thyroid

online.liebertpub.com/doi/a...

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Gut issues & malabsorption

link.springer.com/article/1...

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Vit D & thyroid function

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[lorrainecleaver]

Box on page 9 of this BTA statement from last May shows Ferritin, b12, folate, Vit D etc can be linked to residual symptoms on Levothyroxine btf-thyroid.org/images/docu...

The evidence for the statement is included at the bottom of document, or at least should be. It wasn't in the previous statement bizarrely enough...

[Lucycatlover in reply to lorrainecleaver]

With the attitude of that article it is no wonder the doctors take the stance they do. No evidence/data to support T3; recommending vitamins; recognising defective genes; acknowledging patients actual symptoms; and the best bit "symptoms alone lack sensitivity and specificity and therefore are not recommended for judging adequacy of replacement in the absence of biochemical assessment". So rely on the TSH result not imaginary patient symptoms. Throughout this report the recommendations are made on lack of supporting data, so patient symptoms are totally ignored. The pharmaceutical industry only tests to support their drug and the doctors fear of being sued prevents them from suggesting any unsupported treatment.

[V_afp]

But when and how is it best to take all these vitamins?

Can you take zinc copper iron selenium b12 Vit d and magnesium all together?

I doubt it! What's the best routine?

[LAHs in reply to V_afp]

Eat nuts V_afp.

Brazil for Seleniuim and magnesium,

Cashews for zinc and iron,

Almonds for copper

Sunshine for vit D (but you can take a pill ~2000iU daily)

Meat, fish, eggs for B12 (i.e. animal products)

[V_afp in reply to LAHs]

Being Vegan I've been eating nuts my entire life and still chronic deficiency and of course no B12.

Doesn't answer my question re taking supplementation.

[hose1975 in reply to V_afp]

V_afp, it kind of does. Because you'd not need to supplement most of the trace minerals if you ate a handful of brazil and cashew nuts, and almonds. Standard advice for people taking thyroid meds is to leave a couple of hours after taking them before ingesting anything else. I manage about 20 minutes before I need a cup of tea but I've been doing that since diagnosis so no harm, no foul. At least my test conditions are consistent.

[stoneym]

hypothyroidmom.com/10-nutri...

I like this explanation, by Dr. Peter Osborne, of nutrients needed to get from TSH to T3 actually getting into cells.

I've made a chart for myself to see clearly what is needed at each stage.

S

[Pastille in reply to stoneym]

Thanks, I learned quite a bit reading that! I suppose it's obvious that you might go hyper and need a reduction when nutritional levels are increased but it didn't enter my head!

[marigold22]

Thanks for all your great replies x