Looking for a 'disturbing' post

[marram]

Can anyone recall the article about treating female mental patients with thyroid? I know the word 'disturbing' appeared in the title but I just can't find it, I thought I had saved it, but I think it was on my old computer. D'oh!

[RedApple Administrator]

There have been several, but maybe this is the one you're thinking of

thyroiduk.healthunlocked.co...

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[marram]

Thanks very much. It was not the actual post, but there is a link on it which took me to the article I was looking for..Thanks again!

[editfmrt in reply to marram]

Can you post the link to the article you were looking for please?

[RedApple Administrator in reply to editfmrt]

Might have been this one, but if not I'm sure Marram will clarify

Myxoedematous Madness by Richard Asher

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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[RedApple Administrator in reply to RedApple]

There's also the more recent version of Richard Asher's paper

Hypothyroidism Presenting as Psychosis: Myxedema Madness Revisited

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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[editfmrt in reply to RedApple]

Brilliant - and thanks redapple.

[marmaris in reply to RedApple]

Hi RedApple I have just read this article and I must say that if makes an interesting read. I find it very sad that in times of old a lot of people were misdiagnosed with mental illness/dementia etc and put into institutions. Yet we are still being neglected in this day and age were doctors and Endocronologist's are still missing all the signs and symptoms. Hope that soon their eyes will truly be opened for the sake of future generations.

[marram in reply to RedApple]

Yes, that is definitely the one.

[PinkNinja]

This is a very interesting subject. Before I was diagnosed hypothyroid (although, looking back, I had all the symptoms) my psychiatrist used liothyronine to supplement my treatment (anti-depressants, tranquillisers, antipsychotics, lithium and so on...) and I felt really well. Once I was "cured" the liothyronine was stopped and I was ill again. It wasn't long after that my blood test results were bad enough to be diagnosed hypothyroid and I was put on liothyronine again. Miraculous recovery... again!

It's a shame many doctors don't seem to know about this link. I was one of the lucky ones to have a whole year of feeling well because of liothyronine.

Carolyn x

[helvella Administrator in reply to PinkNinja]

This paper:

pb.rcpsych.org/content/37/2...

And, far more pertinently, this reply to it:

pb.rcpsych.org/content/37/2...

See the last paragraph!!!

(I don't think there is need to sign up, but cannot be sure. I can access it and definitely did not pay! )

Rod

[PinkNinja in reply to helvella]

I haven't read the paper yet but I just read the reply. There is a lot in there that makes a lot of sense to me. The last time I had a course of ECT (8 years ago) I had also just been put on liothyronine for hypothyroidism and it was the most successful course of ECT I had. I remember the nurse saying afterward the first treatment that I was in recovery for longer because the convulsion lasted too long and they had to give me lorazepam to stop it. They didn't know why I had such a low seizure threshold given that I was taking medication that was controlling my epilepsy very well. Perhaps it was the liothyronine.

I also didn't experience the same level of memory loss as I did with previous courses of the treatment.

I stayed well for a long time after that, until some wally decided that levo would be better. I agree that liothyronine is great for treating depression. It certainly worked in my case and I'm glad someone gleaned that from the paper. Hopefully he will pass the message along within his NHS trust and beyond.

Now to read the actual paper

[marmaris in reply to helvella]

Very interesting helvella I have printed this out (with the lorry load of other documents I have), what does it take for them to listen to us?

[RedApple Administrator]

Here's an article from 2012 that you may also find of interest

The Link between Thyroid Function and Depression

hindawi.com/journals/jtr/20...

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[marram in reply to RedApple]

Thank you, very interesting.

[marmaris in reply to RedApple]

Excellent article! Note that "20% of triiodothyrnine in the cerebral cortex is secreted directly by the thyroid and 80% is derived from local conversion of thyroxine T4 by deiodination. Very interesting points, and I am convinced that is what is missing with a lot of us that 20% that is so important, and what if we are not "Converting" then where does that leave us with the other 80%? I am going for it, fighting for 18 years been on Levothyroxine only, I think I have earned my right dont you? Wish me look and to everyone else too......

[Hidden]

There's a lot of studies on the internet on treating depression with T3 here are some links to abstracts which should take you to the whole document. I'm fighting getting T3 from this perspective now.

psycheducation.org/thyroid/...

thyroid.org/wp-content/uplo...

drrichardhall.com/Articles/...

hotthyroidology.com/print.p...

biomedcentral.com/1471-244X...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/116...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/816...

psychiatrist.com/pcc/pccpdf...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/105...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/152...

endocrineconnections.com/co...

jcem.endojournals.org/conte...

[marram in reply to Hidden]

Well, that should keep me busy! Thank you all for your lovely efforts for me. I shall slowly work my way through the whole lot, I am sure to learn something new from the ones I've not seen and reacquaint myself with the ones I have seen Marie XXXXX

[Jackie]

Hi No, but I know good psychiatrists for many years have treated patients with severe depression with normal thyroid results on a little Levo.

Best wishes,

Jackie

[marram in reply to Jackie]

They would probably be dragged up for a FTP hearing nowadays! Why give Levo when there are perfectly good anti-depressants available

[Jackie in reply to marram]

Hi May be, As terrible the way good ,caring doctors can be treated. However the Physche who told me this has been dong it for about 20 years at the least, and extremely well know.

Jackie