Has anyone tried "Angel Tea?"

[needabreakfromcancer]

I have been drinking 2 oz and a few times 4 oz. for a month or more now. Because I have been so damaged by conventional cancer drugs, I no longer trust them. Also after reading the article by Dr. Vincent Rajkumar where he states that oncologists do receive a 6% kickback, along with hospitals and centers that provide cancer drugs, even he has said that sadly because doctors are human that they often don't recommend the drug that is best for us, but the one that is best for their bank accounts.

[Hidden]

What is angel tea? I live in Canada and I trust my oncologist. I’m sorry you have had a bad experience

[Susan1953]

I have never heard of angel tea. Please share.

[Nmartinez15]

I understand your feelings and all the meds can cause other cancer too. When you get radiation they make you sign a paper where stated you can get cancer for radiation. But we don't have option if we want to live a couple years more. I have daughter that she is 5 years old. So, I need to make the sacrifice even though I am losing hair, bone pain, tiredness, not feeling well, nerve damage, organ damage, etc. We need to trust God that he will give us the endurance and strength to deal with this. If I didn't have my daughter eith me. I will have take different decision to try heal naturally and not deal with side effects. If that fail I will deal with it, but I can't with a child who need me. I am doing both conventional and natural supplements bc I try to reduce the damage of these drugs doing to my body.

[hdhonda]

I am not familiar with Angel tea. We each have to do what we think is best for us. Personally, I would not do anything that my oncologist didn't approve. I think his education and wisdom is my best option. Cancer treatments are not nice, but they do prolong life. Good luck with your decisions. Blessings Hannah

[mariootsi in reply to hdhonda]

I also will only do what my onc says. We have to have faith in them or else what's the point?

I have read so many articles on other treatments etc. but somewhere along the way there are contradictory studies. It's all mind boggling.

I would never take anything my onc didn't ok.

She is a researcher and I believe that if there were things that are proven, she would tell me to take it. Just the way I look at it.

[Hidden in reply to mariootsi]

I tend to side with you. But after only three months on Ibrance, I had to stop (not due to progression). I was then put on Verzenio and my falsodex injections. Two CT scans ago, they saw two holes in my spine (I was diagnosed with mets in the lungs) so now I have to get another injection xycega(?) and take calcium supplements.

So my cancer spread to my spine while on the Verzenio but my onco told me to stay on it to see what happens on my next CT scan. Well, I was sick of taking the verzenio, and kind of angry that it spread to my spine anyway. So I decided I wanted to try an experiment. I stopped taking my Verzenio for a month and a half BEFORE my next CT scan. I had my CT scan two weeks ago and NO PROGRESSION. I told my onco I had stopped it for two weeks (I just knew she would be angry with a month and a half) and yet I had no progression while not taking the medication, but had progression on the medication. I didn't even think to ask (it always happens after I leave her office) why I am still on the medication if it spread to my spine on that medication. But she saw two holes so she wanted to see how the next CT scan came and the holes are still there but not bigger, the same.

Now, I am wondering, for my personal case, if I can go with out the meds and just the injections. The Verzenio for me gives me stomach pains and other nasty side effects (but I guess my body got used to NOT being on it so I am getting the beginner side effects again).

Unfortunately, my lower back is giving me excruciating pain. I told her my onco (I dont drive and live in NY) that it is getting worse and worse. I cant walk 1/4 of a block without having to stop and lean against a wall or a hydrant or something because the lower back pain makes it impossible. It takes me almost double the amount of time to walk to places I used to easily walk to.

So now, although I will still see my onco, I will be getting set up with a palliative team that is supposed to help me deal with the pain, stress, depression from all this. I told my onco I have no quality of life if I cannot walk without tears in my eyes because of the pain.

I am waiting to get a CT scan of my back (I turned down MRI...no can do) to see if they see anything else (bulged disc or pinched nerve) and then meet with the palliative team. At least I will be assigned a nurse who I can call as my onco is so hard to reach.

I am seriously considering just doing the injections.

[mariootsi in reply to Hidden]

We each have to make our own decisions concerning our treatment. I wish you all the best as you go forward.

I can tell you, I have a palliative care doc. and I'm very happy I did that.

I hope yours can help you.

Love,

Marianne

[hdhonda in reply to Hidden]

I am so sorry that you are in such pain. I don't think there is a chemo without side effects. We each have to decide what is best for us. I am glad that you have a palliative nurse now that hopefully can give you relief from your pain. Hugs and blessings. Hannah

[Hidden in reply to hdhonda]

I am not getting chemo. Ibrance and Verzenio are known as a CDK4 & 6 inhibitors and all come with side effects that affect everyone differently. They are not a traditional chemotherapy. IBRANCE and Verzenio works to put the brakes on cell growth in both healthy and cancer cells. I have to have a CT scan of my back first (my onco suggested it could be a pinched nerve by the two holes in my spine) and then will be set up for appt. with the palliative team which I am still not sure what they will do but it sounds like I need them as my onco is not always available and reachable so now I will have someone to reach out to.

My onco said the pain may be from the two holes they found and that I might have a pinched nerve in my spine. That is when it started so that could very well be true. I guess after CT scan, they can see something. I turned down an MRI because I freak out with that.

[SoCalLady in reply to Hidden]

You might ask your onc about Gabapentin. It not a narcotic and is now being used to calm or dull nerve endings. It was helpful to me when I had severe back and sharp back pain from inflammation that was touching on the nerves. I thought the pain was never going away, but it did, so it wasn't the end of my world as I thought.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Medicine takes time to work. The advancement could have been growing for some time and just appeared. It takes time for it to grow and spread. It is all a personal choice but I’m am doing whatever is reasonable to stay alive. I won’t go overboard when I reach the time that there is no hope but for now I’m not ready to let this awful disease win.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

I told my onco I prefer quality of quantity. I do not have children or any family members that depend on me so I am not willing to extend my life longer if I feel too sick to do anything. I am actually thinking of telling her I want to just try the injections and no more meds. We will see.

[laurac1014 in reply to Hidden]

They can give you something for anxiety. Sounds like you would benefit much more from an MRI than a CT.

[diamags]

What our doctors recommend (and if you don't trust they're working in your best interest, you need to find another one) are protocols that have been proven by trials to work in certain ways for statistically decided times. They can work better or worse. Because we aren't all the same. I'm on a very old timey protocol that has worked for over 6 years. Does it do that for everyone? No, I'm a rare exception. When new drugs come out, they have been tested. Many "alternative" approaches have not.

The bottom line is that we are playing a survival game. One that has no rules that we can control. So we have to do the best we can. If we don't trust modern medicine, by all means, try other approaches. The only person we have to answer to on this journey in regards to our heath, is ourselves, and if we say we are doing the best we can, then that's good enough.

[mariootsi in reply to diamags]

I agree with you.

[hurricaneheather]

Angel Tea is the Essiac Tea original formula. i read the book, 'The Essiac Report,' in the mid 90's.

[diamags]

Amen!

[Hidden]

I would think that would apply to a very small number of oncos. They did not go to school for many years, work hard and choose oncology as their specialty practice just so that they can get kick backs. These drugs are all new for stage iv. Years ago, you would not even have had the choice. Stage iv used to be terminal many years ago when these meds were not available. Cancer is a tough disease and has to be fought back with heavy duty drugs. We need to be thankful that these new meds are available. I believe oncos choose oncology to help their patients. My cancer center and on my SSDI report do not call it terminal. It is considered a chronic illness which requires lifelong treatment.

[needabreakfromcancer in reply to Hidden]

Did you read the website of Dr. Vincent Rajkumar? He clearly states that many oncologists do not order the best drug for the patient, but rather the best drug for their bank account. So far, in all of my treatment, I have been harmed by all of my oncologists. I am on #5 now. I found out about a month ago that my first oncologist, allowed me to be radiated with cancer in my margin. My new doctor's nurse screamed, "You NEVER EVER radiate a margin with cancer in it!" They did it to me 3 times a week for 6 weeks, knowing I had cancer in my margin deliberately left there by a surgeon in town that is leaving cancer in most, if not all of her patients. By the way, this was done at a well-known cancer institute that desperately needed the money from Medicare, as they were going bankrupt. As my friend, a retired legal secretary told me, we have the most corrupt medicare care in the US. I know because I have been a victim of it over and over again!

[Lordmandy]

I trust all of my docs are working in my best interest. If you don’t feel that way, time to get the new oncologist.