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I posted a question on a video by Dr Neale Barnard regarding RLS. A kind person posted this in response:

Finnish doctor found out that the root cause of restless legs is hypoxia. So, enhancing the blood flow by lifestyle that is beneficial to glycocalyx and eNOS, is a cure 😊 Dr Dean Ornish, Campbell Esselstyn, Michael Greger and Baxter Montgomery (also) know how.

Further google searches on natural ways for hypoxia reversal led to:

fresh air, water intake, iron-rich foods (as a vegan, this means spinach and lemon juice/vit c food), exercise, and training your breath. This is my plan since it is easily done and requires no money nor drugs.

Wondering now if hyperbaric oxygen therapy has helped anyone.

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I'm afraid I think that the information you've passed on doesn't appear to be accurate.

It's not really clear what the root cause of RLS is.

I've read several sources recently that claim to have found the root cause of RLS, This I take to mean the single cause that underlies all other "causes" .

None of them appear to actually identify a single cause.

The claims I've read fall into two types of explanation.

Some claims are based on scientific study and suggest medical treatments.

Some claims are based on a variety of other things and suggest alternative treatments.

There is possibly room for both, especially where there is some correlation between claims e.g. in relation to inflammation.

I don't think therefore that either can be totally dismissed in favour of the other.

Scientific studies of RLS are quite compelling, especially when the study methods appear reliable.

These mainly claim that the fundamental cause of RLS is Brain iron Deficiency (BID. A possible explanation for this is due to failure to transport sufficient iron across the blood brain barrier.

There is a "cross over" here in that lack of iron in the diet or a failure to absorb it can trigger RLS.

Why there is a failure is another matter. Sime studies suggest genetic factors.

Such medical studies have shown that the neurotransmitters glutamate, dopamine and adenosine are involved in RLS. Medical treatments are based on this.

The use of some "natural" remedies are based on this, e.g. see the more recent post about "Dopatone" or past posts about boosting gaba or restricting glutamate.

I have come across a whole website claiming that inflammation is the root cause and offers advice and treatments based on this idea, as complete alternatives to medicines.

There is evidence that inflammation.is a "mediating factor" in RLS. It can for example interfere with iron metabolism, but it cannhardly be claimed to be the ONE single cause.

I recently saw a fairly convincing YouTube video that claimed that RLS is due to the compression of peripheral nerves. The "doctor" offers curative surgery. It has, he says, nothing to do with neurotransmitters.

I can only say that I won't be seeking his surgery. I have symptoms in legs, arms, shoulders, neck and torso. That would be a lot of surgery!

There is, I note some recent studies that suggest hypoxia can be a factor in RLS. The hypoxia is peripheral so doesn't exactly tie in with the findings about the neurotransmitters. However there is also evidence that vascular disease can be a factor in RLS. Hence, again, hypoxia.

Another recent thing I've read is that whilst some cases of RLS appear to be "primary" and inherited and other cases appear to be "secondary" to some other condition e.g diabetes these are mot srparate conditions hut ectremes on a spectrum. In this case everybody who experiences RLS has an inherited tendency to a different degree.

I'm a total sceptic. I doubt any apparent medical study that doesn't appear to be reliable or consistent with other studies. I also doubt claims made about "alternative" remedies especially when they also claim what the root cause of RLS is.

For the above reasons, I doubt that hypoxia is the root cause of RLS. I suspect. it is a large factor in exacerbating a pre-existing.tenfency to RLS. That is.only an opinion.

It may he a factor in some cases, inflammation may be a factor in other cases.

However it does seem reasonable if any factor exacerbating RLS.is known to be present then at least "complementary" therapies that are known to work, should be tried. Or even suspected to work if they appear safe.

It's a shame that "natural" remedies aren't tested more.

The problem probably is that there are people who seem.to he motivated to exploit others for monetary gain. That might be shareholders of a pharmaceutical company. No profit to be made from researching dietary factors in RLS f o r example.

On the other hand it might be a shareholder.of a food supplement company who make vagueish claims about the benefits that really haven't been proved or, admittedly, disproved.

Sorry to say even those with the best motives can get it badly wrong. I recently read a bhuddist monk saying you don't need oxygen. if you have Covid 19 you just hold your breath for as long as you can, then take a deep breath and your body will naturally fill with oxygen.

Enough!

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Wow, thank you for all this. In fairness to the above mentioned drs, I did research each to see what they said about RLS. Nada. Not sure where she got that idea that they had any suggestions. The person who originally posted this then added:

"When most scientist try to make new pharmacological or diagnostic implications for managing diseases, these doctors I mentioned, know how to restore blood flow ( and diminish hypoxia) also in those tinyest vessels (called vasa nervorum). WFPBD, stress management etc. Also, endocronologist Zach Bush has a video about a 4min easy exercise, which boosts the release of nitric oxide (NO). Some medications can have adverse effects to blood flow. Sure, I can link that study tomorrow 🙂"

I did find Dr Zach's 4 minute video. He, btw, does not say anything about it "curing" any diseases, just that it is good for releasing nitric oxide.

Thank you, again, Manerva!

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Please send link to Zach Bush's 4 min video to increase nitric oxide. Thanks!

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kicker2 in reply to grandpianoman

Here it is. I love it.

youtube.com/watch?v=PwJCJTo...

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This might be the case for some, but not all .. but my husband has a super clean, anti inflammatory diet and still suffers. He does all the things you mention .... for many years now.

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I tried hyperbaric oxygen--40 sessions of it. Wasn't helpful at all, and at greater pressure, made the RLS worse. But that's just one person's experience.

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Oh man! Bet that was frustrating to go through.

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