Please be careful with Kratom - Restless Legs Syn...
Please be careful with Kratom
It is fair to say that caution is required with Kratom in particular and any unregulated drug in general. I would point out in the interest of balance that the quantities of Kratom taken by recreational users tend to be FAR higher than those using it for relief from RLS. The briefest of perusals of forums used by recreational drug users, such as on reddit, reveals a truly staggering (to me anyway) level of consumption of the drug by the average recreational user.
The article on Kratom was on google so i thought i would share it with everyone on here. I understand there are risks , especially when people are buying it on line and arent sure of dosage. I considered buying it on line but i was frightened to use it as no one actually told me how much to take so i could of quite easily overdosed. Therefore there i feel there is a risk
Ok, if one had done any actual research you would find out thats not true. You can not overdose from Kratom, its not actually possible. You would throw up before you ever took enough to hurt you. Snopes is only saying what they read in an article they did not do any research to see if it was true. I have because I use it and I do a hell of a lot of research before I put anything into my body. And anyone who really wondered would find out that they are all untrue. The drug companies have come up with a synthetic form of the chemicals in Kratom that makes it work and they want to criminalize it so they can make a lot of money and they have had lobbyist's working to try to make it seem like Kratom is dangerous when it's not. and get it criminalized s they can sell their new drug for a lot of money ( because people won't buy it if they can get kratom for much less money and its a natural plant, not a synthetic drug) It been used in the countries and areas where it's grown for 100's if not 1000's of years by people for anything from giving workers more energy to pain relief and depression and there hasn't been one death from it there. The episodes here in the US were all caused by other things like the article says other drugs! and there have been no deaths from kratom! It makes you throw up if you take too much. There is actually a lot of good info out there about Kratom and if it's dangerous. You can go to the Kratom association for one or go to reddit! there is a lot of really good info on there including an article about the deaths that were not caused by Kratom. there is a very rare liver hepatoxicity that can happen but as I said it's rare: article here: reddit.com/r/kratom/comment... As for the deaths, they are saying its caused by Kratom because they had it in their system when one was shot! so they are blaming Kratom for gunshot wounds now? honestly, they just want it criminalized! But let's say that the 7 did die fomr Kratom. Millions of people use it every day including me. If only 7 people have ever died using it Id still use it! consider this... 140 people die a day using Opiates! so 7 in all time from Kratom would still not be bad, but I don't believe they did unless they had some bizarre allergic reaction or were on other drugs or were shot! really use your brains and do research. They tried to say the other 80 something was from Kratom too but these people had some serious Opiates in their systems like Heroin and fentanyl but they are trying to say it was the kratom that killed them? really? please if you are interested in Kratom and do a deep search and go to the people who know. go to the pain network and read about the people who use it and how it helped them and even they have a good article on this here: painnewsnetwork.org/stories...
here are the research articles that have been done ni Kratom by doctors and researchers here: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/...
there is good info out there. As for me, I have been using it for RLS and pain since last October and it has been a lifesaver since none of the rls drugs work on me, they make it worse. I first used it to get off of methadone and it made that easy! yes, easy! I was on it for 18 years! so to me its a miracle plant. As for dosages, there are a lot of places to find that info but what you do is start low most people like myself need 2 teaspoons ( NOT tablespoons!) I put mine in capsules as I can't stand the taste. so if you do that start with one cap or one teaspoon. if your pain is not gone or you can't feel anything try 1 more cap or teaspoon in an hour for caps 30 min if you drank it. Also, it has to be taken on an empty stomach. You also need to know what kind of Kratom to use. there are many strains all red, white, or green veins. ( the color of the veins in the leaf) they each have different amounts of the enzymes or chemicals that work in them. Red is for pain and can make some people really relaxed or tired. It doesn't do that to me but my aunt took 4 and it about knocked her out but she takes no drugs at all and is sensitive to everything. I take 8 caps at a time and I don't feel the relaxing part much at all but it kills my pain better than any pain med ever did! ok, white is for energy and depression or anxiety. I mix the 2 for daytime. I do 4 red and 4 white and take only red at night. most people mix the 2 kinds. Green I don't use much but its more like a mix of the 2 but some strains of green can make people jittery. There is info at a lot of the online stores to explain what each one does. Oh, heres a good place to read about each strain of Kratom nootroholic.com/buy-kratom-... you see people talking about the Aroma that is slang and it means effect it has on the person. there are a ton of threads on all this on r/kratom on reddit. But unless you are taking other drugs Kratom won't kill you. don't take other drugs with it and also people even are able to stop drinking by using it. it takes away the urge to drink slowly. Good places to buy from people who have it tested in a lab for salmonella ( which did cause a few deaths a few years ago but since then they self regulate and test for it) don't buy form anyone who doesn't say they test and show test results from each batch on their website. Here are some good websites I buy from who have high-quality Kratom: happyhippoherbals.com , kratomfreak.com/ ( also have other good info on Kratom) krabot.com/ and phytoextractum.com/ there are more if you do a search for Kratom shops.
Which "vein" works best for RLS?
red vein borneo is best for paina dn takes my rls away totally. I can't sleep wthout it.
You are 100 percent correct. I am a lupus sufferer and have used it for 3 and a half years over opiates. It comes from the caffeine family and unadulterated kratom is perfectly safe.
You are saying dont take any other drugs with it but i should think most of us on this site take drugs to either help with RLS or other complaints . This is why i have told people to be careful !!!!!!!
No I'm saying don't take Illegal drugs to get high with it. Besides people use it to get off drugs and alcohol. it seems to take away any urge to get high or drunk after a while and blunts by a lot any withdrawals! I was surprised when I used it to get off methadone. The only withdrawals I had were wanting to stretch a lot and fatigue. The pain and stomach cramping I didn't get or the awful crawling feelings you can get. None of it. I also took a lot of good supplements too at the time but I was very scared about going thru withdrawals but it was not bad at all! So far from all I have read there is one drug that seems to have a bad interaction with Kratom. If you go to the Reddit kratom you can do a search and find it. I just don't remember what it was sorry, but always research medication interactions before taking any kind of herb or plant. If I can find all the info I did so can anyone. Ck the links I left and you can find more in them too. I did a ton of research because I had read some bad things about Kratom but found out it was all lies.
Totally correct statement
horrible -is it illegal- it must be!!?
Kratom is illegal in the UK.
Hi Elisse2 Ok Ive learned something there then .Good job I dont use it then isn't it lol.Thanks for your reply
It is Illegal in some states in the US. The Kratom Org or assoc. forget what it is but they are fighting it though.
I just googled it & am shocked at how it affects people theres no way would I personally entertain buying it
what do you mean shocked how it affects people? I take it 4 r 5 times a day every day and it doesn't do anything to me but take away my pain and stops RLS cold. I think you are reading lies. If you take too much you can throw up yes but its better than get high or overdose. if you start really low like a half a gram or 1/2 teas. and go 1/2 up till it works you will be fine. Your buying into hype and scare tactics. Is a hell of a lot safer than the drugs they give you for rls and pain that addict you and don't work half the time and are not good for you at all! I repeat no one has ever overdosed on it. Impossible go read here: americankratom.org/ I have been reading and researching about it for months and have found one person who was sensitive to it and she would throw up ( she also may have been taking way too much) it doesn't get you high either. it might relax you some ( it doesn't really to me at all) but unless you are super sensitive to most chemicals and have never taken may you just take a really low dose. My aunt doesn't even take aspirin but at 68 she has a lot of pain from working on our horse farm like men lol so I gave her some and 2 caps or 1 gram or 1 teaspoon is her does. more than that it makes her tired and nausea for about 15 min but even that passed. but it took away all her nerve and muscle pain. This is someone who is very picky about what she puts in her body and she is sold on kratom. Your decision though if you don't want a safe way to get rid or rls or pain or whatever it is you would need it for, more for the rest of us. I just hate it when people fall for the scare tactics. its what the drug companies want.
Hi Solticeart if Ive spoken out of turn or upset you then clearly I apologise - - everyone has different ways of coping with RLS I shouldn't have judged you Regards Sara_2611
The AKA American kratom association
Don’t buy into Snopes’’ sensationalism. Do your own thorough research and decide if kratom is right for you. It can definitely be abused, as can many helpful substances, but it can be incredibly helpful when used the right way. Dosage is EVERYTHING. In my experience, it is much safer than any prescription drug out there for RLS.
I only put the article on here to make people aware of the risks. Everyone should take what is best for them definitely but people must realise that what people are prescribed or buy in the US is very often completely different to the UK . Alot of people are prescribed Methadone in the US but here its only given to heroine addicts and would never be given to a patient suffering RLS . Alot of people find Kratom a Godsend for RLS in the US but in the UK most people have never heard of it . Yes its illegal but that does not stop people like any other drug , if you have the money you can buy anything nowadays. I think the US are more aware of RLS than in the UK and doctors will prescribe so much more.
Like i said i just thought i would share the article . Thoughts are with you all
All I can say is that Kratom has proved a godsend for me. Allowed me to sleep when dopamine agonists et al would not. And used in moderation is safer than Tylenol or aspirin. It's legal in most states. Go to American Kratom Association to find out which states, and everything else about the plant. We must not let Big Pharma control this beneficial leaf.
Me to, i take kratom over opiates
I've taken Kratom for RLS every day for years. Never have I gotten "high" off it, never experienced side effects, or any negative consequences whatsoever. Almost all deaths reportedly "associated" with Kratom had other illegal drugs in their system as well. There are no known deaths from Kratom alone. Hype and sensationalism. I'm just thankful that I found a solution to my RLS that is affordable, safe, and effective. 
I’ve been taking Red Vein Borneo for a month now. 1 teaspoon dissolved in warm water about an hour before bed. It stops RLS completely and allows me to sleep when I want to instead of when I “have”to as Ropinirole forced me me to lay down when it kicked in. It is true that food is a factor. If taken on a full stomach, the results will be delayed. I’ve also made capsules for use when it isn’t convenient to mix the powder in water. Four #00 capsules works for me. I am still working on determining the min dose. At the moment, I sometimes I feel tired the next afternoon.
I went cold turkey off a 4mg. dose of Ropinerole a month ago. I’d been taking Ropinerole or some other DA for 20 years. I decided to try something different because of the onset of daytime symptoms of RLS and an increase of Ropinerole dosage.
You’ve done well, bdbengtsson. Congratulations. As ever, I hope the solution lasts.
Actually i am a lupus sufferer. I take kratom on a daily basis over opiates. Kratom is not dangerous when you use pure unadulterated kratom. Go thru vetted vendors who test for molds,chemicals and extra compounds. The kratom thats an issue is whats been bought out of smoke shops, and people using concentrates. Kratom itself is very safe,if u take to much u just throw up. Kratom is not dangerous and in fact has been used for thousands of years. It is simply a leaf ground up off a plant coming from the caffeine family. It IS NOT an opiate or anything else.
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