I dutifully log in to the Zoe Covid app and have become a fan of Tim Specter with his other hat on - that of Gut Health. From advice on here I've done ,well, not quite my best to follow a low carb diet if I'm honest.
So when Mary Berry made her Nordic seed and nut loaf with almost no carbs and full of the seeds and nuts to feed one's microbiome community I thought it was perfect for the low carb and gut health.
I made it and it is delicious, I had a slice with smoked salmon, next day with cheese and the following day with marmite (or if down under vegemite), I know you've either got the marmite gene or you haven't.
The results of this trial is that, sadly and very inconveniently, that now 4 days later my microbiome community is in turmoil and gone into overdrive! I won't now go into any graphic detail but will leave it to your imaginations.
Conclusion of this trial - eat this loaf in moderation! But it is delicious if you like nuts and seeds and it is very low carb .........and very filling!
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You'd have thought that would be less dramatic Did you use fresh ones? I just picked up some reduced in price - not particularly popular here so lord only knows why the supermarkets stock them for Thanksgiving!
Done it!!! I was hitting Post at the bottom. I saw there was a post button at top, hit that Bingo...I think. Is it because there is a big Italian community in US that Thanksgiving has travelled across the pond- and the Med?
Hadn't thought of that. We use lingonberries/Preiselbeeren in jam here a lot and they are basically mini-cranberries. Never sure how much US habits derived from here - after all, US pizza is from another world!!!
As a PMR high fibre nut and seed eating vegetarian I think that mixing cheese and marmite (yeast) in with all those seeds and nuts for 3 days in a row might prove to be somewhat explosive! Hope you get over it fast.
I saw MB make this and it looked lovely - but it did make me think in moderation might be key. Perhaps she should have given out a warning!! Think in MB’s household it would have been shared among the family so only a piece each. Hope things settle down for you soon.
I think you're probably right. It was 1 or 2 slices a day for the two of us over 3 days! It could be a bug of course, though where from? Triple jabbed 2 Az's and a Pfizer booster. I've just done a Covid test to be sure it's not that as squits are some of the newer symptoms, but tested negative. Upside is I'll lose a couple of pounds!!!
It’s probably a combination of things - I had a bad reaction to the booster. Hopefully you’ll start to feel better soon and the weight loss is a sweetener!
I saw this recipe but for anyone with a sensitive gut it would be disasterous! I can't eat any of the ingredients alas. I used to love making different breads but now can only eat white.
Leave well alone,I say! Perhaps I'm finding that my gut is sensitive too🤔. I'm on the mend now and hoping to have lost a couple of pounds...there must be some pay off 🤷
Interestingly, I have just been googling things to do with cranberries and found a warning that ingesting relatively large amounts can result in GI effects in many people ...
That's interesting about cranberries. But there are v few in this recipe don't you think! After an awful night I think I'm on the mend now. Not fancying g any seed and nut loaf mind you😂!
I like them dried in a mix with cashews I get here and I got some fresh ones to experiment yesterday. And I do like cranberry sauce although I think the local Preiselbeeren version is better, If I could be bothered I could fancy a muffin
I look at a recipe - and if there are too many ingredients I lose interest!!!! Someone write a cookery book with recipes with not more than 5 ingredients ,,,
I am surprised a nutrition guru would recommend such a food to older people . Many older folk, self included, have diverticulitis or diverticulosis, or we are at a higher risk for developing it. Plus, and this is my experience; PMR/GCA also causes an inflamed gut, which can be sensitive to seeds and nuts. Eating such a bread would risk a pretty serious attack for me. Right now I am doing well, and after decades dealing with the issue, I have it under control. I take Align, a probiotic, a few times a week, eat a lot of fresh fruit, and avoid seeds, nuts and corn per doctors strict instructions. Nope, sounds delicious, but not for me.
I don't have any diagnosed gut problem but nuts and especially the seeds are new to me. However I must make it clear that neither Tim Specter nor Mary Berry are recommending anything to anyone of any age.
Oh dear, I do feel for you and was in a not dissimilar condition last week without the benefit of a new recipe! If it is any comfort, I lost 3/4 pounds and now down to a weight not known since my 20's! I use dried cranberries in home made muesli mix. Not that bothered with them but they add variety!
I tested negative, too. There seem to be a lot of all singing, all dancing, fit me in where you can symptoms!
Thank you for the humour with which you tell your tale.
Thankyou. I am truly now wondering if it's a bug. Did yours just go without any specific treatment? I have been introducing nuts and seeds to promote but health but suppose I have gone a bit Gung-ho with them. So who knows?
I thought mine might have been a bug but then suspected food poisoning. No treatment other than paracetamol for awful headaches, loads of water and rest. Warm water with a slice of lemon would have been preferred, but the storm put paid to the 'warm' bit for a couple of days! Coincided with quite a flare of pmr - first one for quite some time. Still a bit weak, but picking up now.Too many generic symptoms around these days to be clear what is what!
I have recently become interested in my gut health. Took my last pPrednisone Feb 1, 2020. My PMR seemed to be mended. In August 2020 I started with constant loose stools. It interrupted my life because I hesitated leaving home. I thought it was temporary…not so. I tried everything….never concerned about my gut. Now I realize it is probably loss of gut biome. I am just now experimenting with diet…sauerkraut in salt brine daily…..just a couple of tablespoons. Activia yogurt, fruit, etc. How long before the good gut bacteria are populating in my gut?
If it were me I'd add a really good probiotic to speed things up. VSL#3 is recommended by a good GI specialist in the N of England - and it seems to do a good job.
When I presented with PMR symptoms my GP said "we need to look at what might be causing inflammatory problems" so among other things I had an assay of my gut microbiome. The assay showed an overgrowth of a few "bad" species. I went on this treatment and diet regime in June 2019. Out with the old, in with the new (in 2 cycles)
Picoprep (has the same effect as your nut loaf I suspect) for 2 days
Weeks 1,3 Amox SR 500mg three times a day (slow release Amoxicillin)
Weeks 2,4 Multigen 2 daily, Mutaflor 2 daily
None of these: no pasta, no rice, no bread, no fruits, no seeds, no nuts, no sugar, no cakes, no alcohol, no processed food, no ice cream, no coffee or caffeinated tea, no root veges (potatoes, pumpkin, squash, carrots, beetroot, kumara, parsnip), no fermented food (eg soya sauce), no tomatoes, no coconut, no carbonated soft drinks, no beans (chick peas, kidney beans, etc)
Enjoy these: cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, kale, spinach, leafy greens, lettuce, radish, cucumber, eggplant, courgette, capsicums, onions, garlic, celery, asparagus. Veges at all meals and eat 6 to 10 different types per week
Allowed for protein: eggs, fish, dairy, meat, chicken, olive oil
That Nordic seed and nut loaf would definitely not be on my gut biome rebuild menu. 😃 I don't have the gene for Marmite or Vegemite although I am from a -mite country.
After a year I was slowly allowed to start back on coffee and tea, and fruit and nuts. I didn't have sugar or alcohol or cakes or soft drinks before the change so it wasn't as big a shift as you might expect. I missed fresh fruit the most! Note the no sugar means no dried fruit of any sort as they contain way too much sugar. I'm now allowed a little bit of brown rice and kumara if it is cooked and then cooled. And I can have soya sauce, and a small piece of banana. Not that I have them together. 😜
Some day I hope to do a follow up gut microbiome assay, but Covid-19 meant waiting because my fresh poo had to be couriered over to Melbourne. It would be a waste of money and resources to have it spoil along the way because the supply chains are so messed up. But I don't feel like we have completed the experiment.
I don't know of any properly designed scientific research which can enlighten us as to which way the causal arrow points. That doesn't mean it isn't out there. There are many other potential causes in the mix as well. My doctor also had me see a psychologist and do a life stress inventory over the previous 5 years which showed the level of stress I had been under. That scale is correlated with health problems, but once again correlation isn't causation.
I do believe that if one finds a problem (overgrowth of some unwanted gut species) then that is worth addressing this, as the potential benefits outweigh the costs in my situation. Thus I was happy to try. The diet also fits with low carb diets which are recommended to avoid weight gain while on Prednisone.
I think it was the carbs. It could also be that cucurbits were to be avoided for a certain period of time before the assay, not for 2 years. I never quite got to the bottom of where the lines were drawn and why.
Hello I've been listening to Tim Spectre and all his information about gut Health and I wish I had a better set of data or research so we could correlate that it helps this condition but so far I haven't been able to find out within the group that improving gut health with take care of the PMR issues... obviously to stay healthy and keep away from some of the foods is definitely a good idea ..I have tried many dietary suggestions/ changes and I have found for me its hasen't helped me so far ...does anybody else have any comments on this?
The Zoe App is primarily for Git health I believe. I'm not sure if here is any specific connection to PMR. Perhaps if you join the app and pay a subscription, that's for the gut health side of things from what I can make out. How you get your microbiome community tested....I don't know.
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