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I can't remember a thing! Memory and cognitive function when on pred.

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This question was posted some years ago together with the responses which I thought were well worth passing on. Again, part is from a clinical healthcare professional.

Alice said:

"I seem to have difficulty remembering things. I was curious if anyone else with PMR have this trouble too. I fear I may not be able to retain my job due to this issue. I have fatigue that I fight daily which I know goes along with PMR. I need to work to keep my health insurance active! So frustrating!!"

Cloudgazer responded:

"Yours is the second memory question today - maybe it's the day we have all forgotten things!

I posted this reply to the other post but will put it here too, slightly edited, in case it's useful. You haven't mentioned whether you are taking steroid medication at the moment or at what dosage but it might be relevant here too.

A number of factors can contribute to difficulties with memory and cognitive function. These can include the effects of the underlying medical condition, fatigue, insomnia from various things including pain and steroids, pain as an entity on its own, and any low mood effects, which have their own impact on concentration and memory.

In terms of medication, there are several high-level studies that have looked at the effects of both short-term and long-term steroid medication on cognitive function. These have found that people demonstrate difficulties in particular with working memory, executive function (part of which helps us plan tasks and carry them out), sustained concentration and being able to focus on things for an amount of time. Information acquired in the past does not seem to be affected in the way that short-term memory does.

I'm reducing down from 60mg prednisolone and am now at 20mg. I had ridiculous difficulties retaining very simple information whilst on higher doses of prednisolone. I couldn't remember something I'd thought of picking up only a minute before, so kept finding myself in a room not knowing why I'd gone in there. I was forgetting things I'd thought of only seconds before. Making lots of notes and keeping lists definitely helped, as did deciding on only two or three things to do in a day - which I put on a list on the fridge. That helped me keep track of the most important tasks for the day and stopped me from trying to do too much, which just made the situation worse.

I also found that the working memory problems meant I couldn't multi-task even at a fairly basic level. My brain couldn't work out how to do two things at once. I'd have a phone conversation holding on to a bottle, for example, as my hand couldn't work out how to put it down. This was very strange at first but when I put it into a neuro-cognitive context it was less worrying and became more of an interesting observation.

These working memory and planning problems have definitely improved as I've reduced the steroids. If you're concerned, or would like to have your memory monitored, ask your GP or specialist if you can be referred to a memory clinic or neuro-psychologist for a baseline set of tests. These are non-intrusive working and other memory quiz-like tests that can establish a comparison point for later on. It's always useful to have a baseline report in case you remain concerned at a later stage. In addition, the neuro-psychologist may be able to suggest some strategies to help with the memory difficulties you've noticed at the moment."

And Purplecrow responded with a few suggestions to make things easier:

"Thanks for the simple explanation of this complex problem. I am currently using 2-3 mg pred daily, and find I have regained most of my misplaced cognitive skills.

In my early months of higher dose pred, I was frightfully aware of loss of executive function. Even simple tasks like organizing my underwear drawer were Impossible. I found multi-tasking beyond my ability, and I had half-finished (make that half-started) projects laying where I dropped them, to answer the phone.

The experience was an exercise in developing new ways to track my daily tasks. I made notes for most everything I needed to do as I thought of them. I have a dry erase marker in the bathroom, and write notes on my mirror as I'm brushing my teeth!

My fancy phone has a note pad, and it was my lifeline when going out to shop. I had my shopping list there, and also noted where I was leaving my car. I organized my trips so I made the required stops in order of location, thereby allowing me to stop when I tired, and resume the tasks at a later point. Did I mention I also snapped photo of the location where I parked my car?😜

I am well into my PMR journey, and feel like I have returned to my life. Interesting to note, I have a good deal more patience than was my previous temperament. I like that about myself."

Hope this helps someone.

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84th side effect, not recognised or listed, but name 'Treacle Brain' or 'Steroid Brain Fog'.

Your doing well today. We should have done the 2nd booklet.

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It's thanks to "our" forum - I and Chris rescued almost everything before the first one went pear-shaped

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Telian in reply to PMRpro

I’d comment if I could remember what to say!

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HeronNS in reply to jinasc

I was just thinking: a companion book, "Best of PMRGCAuk".

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scats

Nice to be reminded of these thongs.

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KellyInTexas in reply to scats

I will def refrain... but it’s going to be difficult. 😉🤣...

(nice to tease a tiny bit to get away from Covid and vaccine AZ if only for a quick second.)

Ok. Back to serious business. What do you miss about your thongs?

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scats in reply to KellyInTexas

Woops, must remember to proof read, I'll blame it on the pred😂

Trust me, you wouldn't want to see me in a thong😱

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KellyInTexas in reply to scats

We have to have a little laugh when we can.

I found my toothbrush in the freezer not long ago. Why I wonder?!

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scats in reply to KellyInTexas

Don't think I can beat that! Agree we must grab all the smiles we can.

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KellyInTexas in reply to scats

🥰Brain Foggers are Poggers. ( tell your grandson you picked up some gamer lingo!)

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Hi, Purplecrow still here...still writing notes on the bathroom mirror and still taking photos of where I left my car in the car park😁. I think I'm about half way back...and at 75, nearly eight years past diagnosis, there are parts that won't be returning.....such is life

Again, Blessings, J

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SusanEleven in reply to Purplecrow

I’ve been taking photos for years of where I park my car, even before PMR. I realized one day that my brain simply does better with visual cues. 😊

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I wonder if that is why OH gets lost so easily - he pays no attention to his surroundings, never has done.

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Smokygirl

Thank heavens for this post! I was starting to fear the worst! My short term memory is appalling! You have reassured me so much —— thank you again wonderful PMR pro! We would be lost without you!

Sending hugs! xxxx

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This is very good news. I had not realised that brain function reduced in higher dose of Pred. Hopefully as I reduce I will be rewarded with less brain fog - although more physical aches.

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HeronNS in reply to ignatz

Probably. On a rather trivial level I was unable to win at Scrabble for months, but as my pred dose approached much lower levels I was able to start pulling off the occasional win again, always the same players.

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As we say in Yorkshire 'I'm having a CRAFT day' - Can't Remember A F'in Thing. In my case, my memory seems to be worse when inflammation is higher and correlates with fatigue but can just come out of the blue. It actually feels as though the cogs in my brain have siezed up and I just can't think or plan and I'm too tired for mindless tasks either.

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This has been so good for me today! Dropped from 17.5 2 days,ago to 16.25mgs and my brain has gone to mush. Also have a headache so I wonder if I may be due a migraine so have dosed myself up with Paracetamol. Could it be a reduction in antinflammatory effect so would some ibuprofen maybe help?

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Now that sounds like steroid withdrawal - body objecting to change in dose. But it might be you are on the borderline!

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Sillydogsmum in reply to PMRpro

Thanks, I think you are right; I will stick with it another day or two to see if it all settles, irritatingly I have no musculoskeletal symptoms at all . Clumsy, background headache, put the unmade yoghurt directly on the fridge yesterday rather than in the incubator!! It may be that I am going to be a 0.5 mg drop person. Poosticks!

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