What pred and the HPA axis do - have I changed a... - PMRGCAuk

PMRGCAuk

20,342 members38,113 posts

What pred and the HPA axis do - have I changed as a person?

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador
16 Replies

The original post these responses were written for some years ago was complaining about lack of enthusiasm and the posts then went on to bring to light concerns about the lack of ability to concentrate, desire to eat, grumpiness and "change in personality". This was written by a clinical healthcare professional.

Cloudgazer wrote:

"Prednisolone on its own affects the cognitive processes that deal with memory, concentration, planning and completion of tasks, multi-tasking, sleep, impulsive reactions, stress management and appetite - and that's before you factor in the effects of the illness itself!

So, don't worry. You haven't permanently turned into a lethargic, quick-tempered, ravenous monster. Things do get better slowly but surely as the steroid dose comes down. It's very disconcerting to find that a medication that is essential is also a truth serum in the midst of what feels like a temper tantrum. I've found it helpful to tell friends and family that I'm having 'a prednisolone day' or 'moment'.

Please don't feel ashamed about your increased appetite; it is very common. It's caused by the prednisolone. You might find it helpful to search on the forum for some of the advice threads on how to manage it. Let me know if you can't find them and I'll find a link for you.

As for the loss of interest in things you normally enjoy, I've found it very strange not be able to read or do even the simplest of things that I usually like doing. You can't do much about it as it's not you failing as a person, it's the drug doing its job.

Rather than fight against it, I have found that it helps to notice that there are good things about having to do one thing at a time. You might also start to notice that there is an hour or so in the day (or night!) when concentration is better. I have a small window of less foggy thinking when I first wake up and then again in the early evening. I think it's related to when the prednisolone is at its lowest effect for me.

The HPA axis (the hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenals plus all the hormones and signalling substances) effects include the ones I've mentioned above, the regulation of certain cognitive functions, such as 'executive' planning, short-term memory, emotional impulses, responses to stress hormones such as adrenaline and cortisol, as well as responding to appetite triggers. So, as the steroid doses reduce the effects on the HPA functions start to become less. In a very basic sense, prednisolone, especially at the high doses, means that we don't switch off or regulate our instinctive impulses as quickly as we would when not taking it. We respond much more quickly and in a more exaggerated way to small triggers.

These effects lessen with the reduction of the prednisolone dose. It may not be immediately noticeable with a gradual reduction plan but it does happen.

As for your question about personality change, well, that's not really to do with a fixed entity that changes with an illness or a medication. Our personalities are fairly well established by the time we reach early adulthood. The experience of coping with a chronic illness of sudden onset and all the adjustments we have to make can be difficult. How each person responds to that adjustment process is influenced by our personalities and established coping strategies. Sometimes a coping strategy can be very effective for one set of circumstances, such as a busy working, multi-tasking life, but doesn't transfer easily to a different set, such as being slowed down by PMR or GCA and unable to continue facing each day in that way. We have to acquire new ways of living each day whilst unwell and that can be a difficult process if slowing down is not what we are used to. That can lead to feeling frightened, miserable and frustrated, on top of being in pain and unable to sleep.

There are two aspects of prednisolone that can feel as if they might be a 'personality change'. One is feeling very short tempered. The other is that steroids can cause significant lowering of mood or feelings of being hyper-active or in severe cases having hallucinations that can be very distressing. In some people these can be extreme and require urgent professional psychiatric and medical help. Strictly speaking, these are drug effects, not personality changes, even if the person appears to have a changed personality."

Written by
PMRpro profile image
PMRpro
Ambassador
To view profiles and participate in discussions please or .
Read more about...
16 Replies
11caroline29 profile image
11caroline29

Yes I definitely had a personality change. I became impatient and so argumentative. My husband said it was like living with a stranger. Memory and mental health was badly affected too. However once I got done to about 12 mg things improved greatly.

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to 11caroline29

PMR did it to me - pred brought a more reasonable person back (I think ;) )

in reply to PMRpro

I'm so impatient, irritable and grumpy (not me at all) wish I could get me back again. Reducing hasn't made any difference so far and will soon be on more 8mg than 9mg.

Charlie1boy profile image
Charlie1boy

Wow! What an article. To be honest I think I've got away with it lightly, although I'm not sure my wife would agree. She says I was very different when the PMR first started! I can't remember that.Paddy

piglette profile image
piglette

Some people would say I have always been a lethargic, quick-tempered, ravenous monster!

Grammy80 profile image
Grammy80

This is a great piece! Thanks for sharing all these treasures...a help to me and those around me. I say we all give ourselves a break.💖💖

Purplecrow profile image
Purplecrow

Again, thank you for digging out the gems and shining the light there again. Funny how we circle back to the starting point, never having seen it before...I will never forget wanting to slug my spouse,....Behavior and feelings completely foreign to me...yet powerful in the moment. (I did,t do it)😜

Regards,J

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Purplecrow

I have looked longingly at a kitchen knife ...

Constance13 profile image
Constance13 in reply to PMRpro

Now now ladies!!!

Purplecrow profile image
Purplecrow in reply to Constance13

😆. Jus kidding' 🥰

Telian profile image
Telian in reply to PMRpro

Stop watching Bates Motel! If it’s available for you!

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Telian

Never even HEARD of it!!!

Telian profile image
Telian in reply to PMRpro

Probably not where you are. You remember Psycho with Anthony Hopkins - a one off film years ago. Bates Motel is the prequel if you like - shows how he grew up with his dominant Mother and his mental health issues. Explains why he behaved as he did in Psycho. Quite intricate and dark in places - very well written, I thought, I enjoyed it. Not many have seen it until the BBC started to show it a few weeks back - I then downloaded the rest as there’s 50 episodes in total and couldn’t wait! One advantage of shielding....

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to Telian

I do watch UK TV using a platform called Film-On but I'm more likely to be watching documentaries or certain reality programmes - Saving lives at Sea or 24hrs A&E amongst others. Really struggle with fiction series

Telian profile image
Telian in reply to PMRpro

You’re like my OH he’s into those you watch - I do too but do like a thriller as long as it’s not too gory.

MrsNails profile image
MrsNails

Taking Steroids for any Illness can cause Adrenal Suppression & Insufficiency

aiunited.org/wp-content/upl...

You may also like...

Do personal PMR symptoms change?

Is it usual for one’s personal typical PMR symptoms to change? When diagnosed (August 2020) my...

Pred dose, what should I do?

how much better I felt and it was 60%. I took 2 doses of alendronic acid, as prescribed by my GP,...

What do I do when I get to Zero Pred?

Such a fantastic and knowledgeable 'family'. Bless you all.I am due to go to New Zealand on 17th...

Pred dose doesn't seem to have worked. What would you do?

Prednisalone and many times have gradually reduced dose, even getting down to 4mg, but always had...

Change the time I take Pred?

by a couple of hours a day, or can I just change in one go? Thanks very much