Low Carb/High Fat diet discussion on Radio4

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bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09smnhd

Just listened to this and found it very interesting, viewpoints from various angles and scientific studies beginning with a S. African scientist who, at the age of 60, completely ditched his previous theories and became an 'evangeliser' for LC/HF .. worth half an hour of our time!

[PMRpro Ambassador]

Excellent! That was good.

There are a few related blogs online and here are just two:

diabeticmediterraneandiet.c...

lchf4runners.blogspot.it/p/...

where there are some links. I used to read the eatingacademy one - but it has changed and I haven't found my way around it yet. I liked the Tim Noakes and bullsht link

Carbs are inherently not bad - I will not say that. But PROCESSED junk carbs are what is fuelling the obesity and diabetes crisis. When I was a child we made our own cakes, we ate carbs - but few people were fat, we rarely ate between meals. Since the packaged versions and insistence that "snacking" was a good thing and being hungry wasn't became mainstream people have got fatter and fatter. The amount of carbs we ate then and what is "normal" now are two very different things. Ancel Keys and his food industry friends did for all the Tim Noakes of the past - it happened to John Yudkin to name just one. Perhaps now the truth is breaking out of its cupboard.

[Slowdown in reply to PMRpro]

I think we're overwhelmed with 'information' which mostly contradicts itself within a very short time frame. I was brought up in Cameroon (gin-loving colonial family!) and we ate chickens brought clucking from the market with local veg and yams and I seem to remember rather a lot of blancmange and jellies (made with evaporated milk - condensed milk in tea, yuk). Once a month we went to Chellorams cold store to choose a chocolate bar as our treat. I still make groundnut stew with chicken.

Loved the runners blogspot, he talks (at length) a lot of sense. The LCHF way of eating suits me very well, it isn't a chore and I don't feel hunger pangs - except when I wake around 3a.m. and the only thing I can think of is a piece of hot buttered toast - I always give in

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Slowdown]

Not having bread in the house that I can eat keeps the toast at bay!!!! Though to be fair - waking at 3am is rarely because of hunger. Usually OH snoring...

[Slowdown in reply to PMRpro]

If I didn't have a little stash of frozen bread I would have to resort to the Scottish ' porridge drawer' and cut a slice of that, no willpower at that hour of the morning...

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[yogabonnie in reply to Slowdown]

I love toast. but at least I have switched from "bunny bread" to my husbands home made sourdough Rye. which can't be all bad as it is a labor of love!

[Slowdown in reply to yogabonnie]

Sourdough every time, especially if it's baked with added love! Sunday morning, with coffee, reading the paper in bed is my treat day.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to yogabonnie]

Real rye - now you're talking!!!!!!

[bribaz in reply to PMRpro]

Very true that you can't eat something that isn't there, but the problem is when other people are in the house, especially with bread. If they like it then it is always available. I have managed to cut my daily intake of bread down to 2 slices a day from 8.

I find that now eating a good bowl of proper porridge for breakfast helps keep me full until lunch, and maybe the same at supper time, it helps me get through the night without the early morning hunger pangs.

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Has anybody seen Okinawan diet? It's said to be the healthiest. Their diet is hardly low carb, high fat. Kito was originally used for controlling intractable epilepsy, badly a healthy diet. But if you d a lot of high intensity exercises, then you can virtually eat anything.

[Slowdown in reply to Hidden]

PMR and high intensity exercises inhabit two very different bodies! Unfortunately, mine is of the first variety - just at present...

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Hidden]

PMR? High intensity exercise? No.

[yogabonnie]

Thanks. I need me some LO CARB living!

[Slowdown in reply to yogabonnie]

More energy for your tap-dancing! I used to love the clickety click of those tap shoes.. we used to loosen the taps to make them more noisy

[yogabonnie in reply to Slowdown]

whoa! Tricks of the trade!!! love it.

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sorry for the predictives some are typos due to finger swellings.

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There is no significant difference in weight change between a healthy low-fat diet vs a healthy low-carbohydrate diet:

jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...

The moral is: avoid processed foods as far as possible for general health and wellbeing.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Joydeck]

No there may not be - but the low carb approach for patients on corticosteroids is a different matter. It works better for weight control AND it reduces the risk of developing steroid-induced diabetes. Horses for courses...