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Hi, I have just moved to a new B12 practice, lovely GP but they are a bit wobbly on frequncy of b12.

Im taking methy foliate, B2, iron, magnesium, D and potassium daily plus injecting hydroxycobalamine 1mg every week. I feek OK on that. perhaps not perfect but no neurologicalsymptoms, I can work and I can run 20+ km a week.

The GP was worried that my serum B12 was at above 6000 ng/L ( way off the normal scale really where 800 is the top of the normal band) and ordered an 'active' B12 test (trans cobalamine) which gave a result of 128 pm/L. which is very 'normal'.

Does anyone have experience of interpreting these tests, my assumption would be that this implies I need a massive loading of injected hydroxycobalamine to reach a normal level of active serum B12. Its clearly more complicated, as cerum B12 is not doing you good untilits in cells, but as a first approximation that seems plausible.

Any thoughts or experience?

PS I'm buying B12 from Germany and self-injecting so GP is currently providing tests and advice not B12

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Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

"The GP was worried that my serum B12 was at above 6000 ng/L ( way off the normal scale really where 800 is the top of the normal band) and ordered an 'active' B12 test (trans cobalamine) which gave a result of 128 pm/L. which is very 'normal'."

A few thoughts

It's my impression from reading many threads here that there are lots of doctors and health professionals with wrong ideas about B12 deficiency.

Stitchting B12 Tekort - Dutch B12 website with English articles

Treatment with high dose vitamin B12 been shown to be safe for more than 50 years

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

Misconceptions about a B12 deficiency

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

B12 Institute- Netherlands has a useful article on diagnostic and treatment pitfalls.

b12-institute.nl/en/diagnos...

Help for GPs and other health professionals

Might be worth pointing some of these out to your GP.

1) PAS website has a page for health professionals.

They can join PAS as affiliate members, no charge.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS have webinars on aspects of PA and B12 deficiency for both health professionals and public.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

2) Has your GP, nurse, specialist etc heard about CluB-12?

club-12.org/

It's a group of doctors and researchers who are looking into B12.

They have regular zoom meetings and have hosted a conference in UK.

Their website mentions a conference in France 2025.

3) Good articles to pass to GP

B. Wolffenbuttel wrote an article for PAS in Jan 2024.

Only One Chance

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Search for "Wolffenbuttel B12 deficiency" to find other articles he's written, including one for Mayo Clinic in US and one for BMJ (British Medical Journal).

His most recent article, an overview of B12 deficiency treatment/diagnosis, was published in 2024.

Search for "2024 Wolffenbuttel B12 overview" to find it.

In my personal opinion he's one of the few doctors who understands B12 deficiency.

4) B12d.org has some interesting online talks about B12 deficiency

b12d.org/event/

I left some detailed replies in threads below that might be of interest eg links for those in UK struggling to get adequate treatment, suggestions of UK health documents to read and some general info about PA and B12 deficiency.

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po...

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healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po....

I'm not medically trained just someone who suffered for many years from unrecognised and untreated B12 deficiency.

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oilbeetle in reply toSleepybunny

Thank you, that was an incredibly detailed and useful reply. I have a PhD in chemistry, but I'm out of my depth on B12, its so complex [no pun intended].

I think I'm going to have to agree to disagree with my GP. She seems smart and caring, but is trying to follow guidance from NICE and from specialist haematologists which is plain wrong.

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Sleepybunny in reply tooilbeetle

"I have a PhD in chemistry, but I'm out of my depth on B12"

You might find this book useful to read.

“Vitamin B12 deficiency in Clinical Practice” (subtitle “Doctor, you gave me my life back!” by Dr Joseph “Chandy” Kayyalackakom and Hugo Minney PhD

Dr Chandy was a doctor associated with B12d.org - one of the UK charities supporting those with B12 deficiency. Sadly he died a couple of years ago.

I think the co-author of the book is a biochemist.

B12d.org

b12d.org/

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oilbeetle in reply toSleepybunny

I have ordered this and I'm starting to think pernicious anaemia is not a single condition with a single optimum treatment, it seems like a range of conditions where B12 adsoption, transport and metabolism are involved

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Regenallotment in reply toSleepybunny

This is such a useful reply thank you. I will prepare an info pack for the GP that asked me to stop injecting. Pls can this be pinned PAS-admin

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Rolloliveson

My active B12 is 147pmol/L and my serum B12 is 2,000. I am waiting to receive treatment and am feeling pretty rough, with lots of neuro symptoms. Fortunately, I have B12 ampoules on the way.

The UK parameters state that anything below 70pmol/L active B12 is sub-optimal. Whoever wrote that is welcome to change shoes with me for a week.

My understanding is that active B12 (plasma) is still a new test to most doctors and interpretation of results when it comes to people with low B12/PA is definitely still up in the air.

My active B12 was 56pmol/l (and serum was 172pmol/l) both of which my initial GP said was “low but ok”. But since it was the only thing that seemed out of whack on my tests, she chose to treat it with injections. Thank goodness.

It’d be nice if they found something similar to the Schillings test

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Hockey_player

It is very normal when you are injecting B12 to have B12 test results out of range. Don't worry- your body will excrete any that it does not need. Just carry on injecting!

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