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Book I just bought about Vitamin B12 Deficiency

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In order to better prepare myself for my next visit with my GP, I bought the book "Vitamin B12 Deficiency in Clinical Practice" by Dr Joseph Chandy. My GP has been renewing my B-12 prescriptions for a few years and I self inject every 2 weeks. For some reason this year he tested my B-12 level and it came back elevated. I'm in the US. The range is 200 - 1100 pg/ml. My result was 1462.

My doctor didn't discuss this with me, but it's made me nervous. I'm very happy with the book which arrived today. It'll help me talk to my GP about my serious need for injections.

Are there better books out there that anyone can recommend? This one is good.

Thanks.

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wedgewood

Dr Handy’s book is excellent . But so are the books on P.. A . by our Chairman Martyn Hooper . Obtainable from .amazon.com

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Nackapan

I've got that book.Also One of Martyn Hoopers

Also Sally Pacholok

Could it be b12 .

I'm still unable to read much .

Visual problems from deficiency!

However get sections read .

Not persuaded anyone to read it all yet .

Like other things waiting to be read when I can.

I liked Dr Chandy' s tenacity .

Also background of decades of clinical practice .

Obsessive.

Protective, as wouldn't use his patients for clinical trials as it would mean removing their b12 injections that were keeping them well.

He went against the system and regulations.

Struck off .

However has managed to raise awareness.

Hopefully causing medics to look again.

He gained respect however in the community in which he served.

Controversial.

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WIZARD6787 in reply toNackapan

Dr. Chandy is a true healer and a courageous person! I read it when first diagnosed to become a informed consumer. I was in the throes of B12 and B6 deficiency so it was 5 minutes at a time. I was being mistreated with oral cyanocobalamin at the time in USA.

His writing the book and me reading it started my questioning my physicians. I did not accept Chandy's work as it was one source. I then read "B12 Survival Handbook" which was not helpful due to fallacious arguments. I then read "Could it be B12" As I was experiencing symptoms of Subacute combined degeneration of the spinal cord I imported illegally cyanocobalamin and started injecting as everything I read indicated delay of proper treatment was dangerous. This started my exploration and disovery of self treating B12 deficiency which is ongoing.

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Nackapan in reply toWIZARD6787

I'm glad you are still exploring all avenues. I wax told by a neurologist who needed b12 injections.

He said delays in treatment causes damage.

I was mortified at the time as very ill and 'damaged'

He also said keep going abd kero high levels of b12 .

No quick fix.

Also I had a vestibular disturbance again no quick fix.

I'm still making improvements 4 years in.

Often query what I'm doing .

But nothing else found to treat .

Only b12 + array of vitamins sbd minerals has got me this far.

It's very difficult when I respect pysicians and trust them and usually follow all advice.

Not the case with b12.

No training.

That neurologist i saw actually for migraines was a 'gift' when he told me he was b12 deficient himself abd he coyjd not stick to NHS dosage regimes.

He read all there was .

Not alot he said.

He wrote to my Gp.

Initially ignored recommendations.

Bit I kept returning .

Asking to be treated for ongoing symptons .

Even trialled amytripyline

Hrt.b12 tablets

Otherwise would've been totally ignored as a non conformed refusing any treatment.

All on my notes.

Again disappointed both made ne alot worse after a 'honeymoon of 3 days of good relief.

Well a 'zombie '

I'm repeating myself alot.

As new members .

Always hoping someone csn with help join the dots .

Or a doctor will look on here as interested in real people's struggles with this.

We all can't be hypochondriac's

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SeaglassMenagerie87 in reply toNackapan

Nackapan, would you mind me asking who this Neurologist was? I feel like they could be a real help to me potentially.

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Nackapan

I am also on a 2 weekly b12 prescription fot injections. I also had my b12 levels done as folate requested.

They are done together.

I too was worried as b12 2000+ that injections woujd reduce / stop.

Gp mentioned it but nothing happened on that occasion when I was 'armed '

Happened on other occasions unexpected 'unarmed '

Try not to worry.

Levels fluctuating within high levels expected on b12 injections.

I've been prescribed 2 weekly for 3 years now .

Hoping for it to continue as my surgery is closing.

More stress ahead 😪 Hope not.

Mayhem ad 5000 patients trying to register with new gps on the area

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Polaris

Hi prillyb12

Re. doctor’s visit, the BMJ research document (full document accessible to your doctor online) has good information that further testing after injections is not necessary - as others have already pointed out. Writing in advance with links and taking someone close with you for support is often helpful too.

Being a lifelong bookworm, I’ve read as many as I could find over the years and had Dr Chandy’s book sent to my surgery when they refused to acknowledge the suspected diagnosis of Addison's Disease and it’s connection with PA/B12def./thyroid disease. Dr Chandy has 70 years experience within the NHS and kept detailed technical notes on his patients.

I like that the book is very reasonably priced but is also free to access from his website online - b12d.org/book

Sally Pacholok’s book, “Could it Be B12?” is my favourite ‘go to’, mainly because its very readable when brain is foggy, accenting important points in bold, so that it’s very easy to reference when needed. I’ve bought several copies for family and friends over the years. Sally Pacholok and her doctor husband had huge experience of working years in the emergency department of a large city hospital.

Good luck with your appointment     prillyb12 🤞🤞

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Cobalamin_dful

Hi, I'm in the UK and am navigating the pitfalls of standard b12 testing at the moment. One of my children doesn't supplement but has high total serum levels. I've gone down a rabbit hole of research.I'm trying to map out the b12 journey into cells, beyond the IF process too, and am finding that many other micronutrients are vital, folate primarily. There seem to be knock on effects of b12 deficiency on magnesium, iron and or calcium levels, but I'm early in research.

Was folate checked too?

Do you have access to the other b12 blood tests at the doctor? Homocysteine, mma, active b12?

I'm brain dumping research in an epic document at home, because my memory is unravelling (likely insufficient b12 too) but this article about high serum b12 could be useful for you?

academic.oup.com/qjmed/arti...

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prillyb12 in reply toCobalamin_dful

My doctor only tested for B12 and Medicare didn't pay for it. I was billed for it, glad it was only $13.

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Countrylou in reply toCobalamin_dful

thank you, I’m overwhelmed by the help on this page, I’m ringing the GP today for an appointment, I am going to ask to actually SEE the neurologist and ask him to treat the neuropathy and migraines and see what he says

Probably gabapentin, sumatriptan or another big pharma concoction

But at least I can open the conversation!

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Gillsie54

with regular injections you will exceed test ranges. The test cannot distinguish between active b12 ( the forms needed by or getting to the cells) from the other forms of analogue b12 that circulate. Guidance in the U.K. clearly states that testing once a patient is on regular replacement therapy is unnecessary and unhelpful as levels will rise irrespective of efficacy. You cannot get a true measure. 90% of B12 in the blood are forms not available to cells. There are many analogues.

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Sleepybunny

Hi,

I thought you might find these links interesting.

Testing B12 during treatment - includes quotes from UK documents

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Testing B12 during treatment (from a Dutch b12 website)

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

Misconceptions about a B12 deficiency

(From Dutch B12 website - units, ref ranges, treatment patterns may vary from UK)

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

Diagnosis and Treatment Pitfalls

(From B12 Institute in Netherlands - units, ref ranges, treatment patterns may vary from UK)

b12-institute.nl/en/diagnos...

B12 article from Mayo Clinic in US - aimed at researchers and health professionals.

One of the best articles on B12 deficiency, I've come across.

The Many Faces of Cobalamin (Vitamin B12) Deficiency

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Table 1 in above article is about frequent misconceptions about B12 deficiency that health professionals may have.

I'm not a health professional.

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