When will treatment for B12 catch up?

[WIZARD6787]

I feel that the medical personnel will start to apply the current science if and only if their confidence/arrogance in they know best is shaken. How, when or if that will happen I have no idea.

I can predict the future, just not with any accuracy. 😀

This is the trend that I think the treatment may be going. (Not only not a medic I do not have the ability to be one.)

IM injections may be replaced by SC injections. Injections may start at 1mg EOD and be increased if the patient feels they are relieved when they have their next injection. Upper limit may be they no longer experience improvement with an increase.

The understanding of co-factors may advance as the amount of B12 is increased and the body utilizes/uses up more co-factors due to the increase.

The biologists and chemists will continue to improve the science and the medical personal will still misapply it. They may discover sublingual to be as effective as SC or IM injections. Not oral.

The reversing out will likely still happen, the understanding may change in that the severity of reversing out will be seen to be reduced with increased B12 injections. That the current dosage recommended in some cases will cause the body to have enough B12 to heal somewhat which causes symptoms to be worse than they might be and last longer than may be necessary.

New chemical forms of cobalamin may be synthesized and it may be found that there is one form for every body or one of the existing forms may be found to be effective with the advancing knowledge of co-factors.

B12 deficiency may be treated prior to any mental health diagnosis being made as is currently done in the USA regarding thyroid issues.

Testing may improve and no longer be used to misdiagnose. Note: B12 testing is not the only test that sucks, by a long shot.

Physicians will still preach the healthy life style and continue to not have a higher life expediency.

Pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies will thrive.

It is also possible that although not toxic to much B12 may be detrimental to healing as the neurological system heals too fast. This might also lead to emotional issues caused by the neurological system being able to handle some issues in a way they could not be processed before treatment.

Or something else entirely

[Rexz]

Your predictions are perfect, for the short term, however to add to your last sentence "or something else entirely"

GPs will be replaced within the next 10 to 20 years by artificial intelligence interacting directly with the patient...

[WIZARD6787 in reply to Rexz]

I like it! Google Medic or Dr. Siri.

[helvella]

B12 deficiency may be treated prior to any mental health diagnosis being made as is currently done in the USA regarding thyroid issues.

I've never had the impression that the USA always, frequently, or even reasonably often does even a TSH test before a mental health diagnosis. The balance point might be different, and it likely varies across the country, but I think they are in the same mess as the rest of medicine.

[WIZARD6787 in reply to helvella]

USA medicine is a mess to be sure. Most mental health diagnosis are made by a GP. If a psychiatrist makes a diagnosis the standard in psychiatry is to order the test. Then they make a diagnosis based on the DSM which is pseudoscience practised by people with a licence to do so.

[helvella in reply to WIZARD6787]

Some mental illnesses can be related to or mimic a medical condition. For example, depressive symptoms can relate to a thyroid condition. Therefore, a mental health diagnosis often involves a full health evaluation including a physical exam. This may include blood work and/or neurological tests.

psychiatry.org/patients-fam...

DSM looks like a scheme to make lots of money like an encyclopaedia salesperson. Must buy access to the latest, greatest - and last year's one is so-ooooo out of date.

I point at the word "often" which should be replaced by "must always", and "may" which should be replaced by "absolutely must", and add that some tests need to be repeated throughout treatment whatever form that takes.

[Janeames]

Interesting about too much b12. Could u post any papers on that. I have monthly injections anx take 1000mcg of Methylcobalamin B12 in between. I developed tinnitus and put it down to covid injections so would love to know where ubgot your information from and whether b12 could be responsible for tinnitus.

[WIZARD6787 in reply to Janeames]

This is the paper on B12 being safe. Which I accept to be factual and will until it is proved otherwise. Someone on this community sent it to me and I would thank them again if I remember who sent it.

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

For me symptoms got worse or appeared when I started getting B12 injections. I am currently working with the assumption that the more B12 I take the better. I am taking sublingual 5 mg twice a day and will increase again soon. I just switched the B6 form I take to Pryidocal 5 Phosphate. 25,5 mg per day and I want to give that a trial before I take more B12.

[Janeames]

Thanks. I am confused I thought in your first posting that you were saying that B12 can be harmful. But this paper says differently. Ie no overdose concerns until proven differently. I am concerned about tinnitus. Can't work out whether it was caused by the B12 injection or the Covid injection. I am sus[ect that it is B12, or maybe something in injection transport process as my symptoms of tinnitus was decreasing until I had my monthly B12 injection. Driving me crazy as you can imagine. Cheers for now.

[WIZARD6787]

First I was predicting the future as way to analyze. I did not indicate B12 was harmful only that it might be discovered that if the amounts taken were was increased it might be found that the neurological system heals to fast. I was referring to more than the 1mg every other day in the current guidelines.

[WIZARD6787]

It occurred to me that history will not give credit to PAS and this community to the advancement of the understanding of B12 and PA. Just as I left them out in my prediction of the future.

I know of two people that benefited from my involvement with this community. I shared a bit about my experience and directed them to this community. What is called an exponential benefit.

So here is to the future when this community is no longer needed as the rest of the world catches up. Until then thank you all so much.