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jointpain
jointpain
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Right, here goes. All my life I have not been overweight, my siblings are overweight. I have a problem absorbing B12 which in turn has made absorbing other food groups a problem, hence why I am not overweight. With me so far? Is it possible to derive enough B12 from ones own muscle mass, therefore keeping one at the very lower end of B12 range while not actually absorbing B12 from animal products? If beef is rich in B12, and cattle only eat the odd bug while digesting mountains of grass, where do they get the vitamin B12 from? I won't go on anymore as I will bore most of you, but if anyone can add to my pondering I would welcome it.

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fbirder

No. You cannot absorb B12 from your muscle mass to replenish your busy stores. What are your B12 blood levels?

Low B12 cannot cause you to not absorb B12 from animal products. But some things that cause low B12 can cause other absorption problems. But not enough to prevent you gaining weight if you eat a lot of calories.

Depression is a symptoms of B12 deficiency. Some people eat more when depressed and put in weight. Others lose their appetite.

Cows get their B12 from the bacteria in their gut. Not from bacteria, soil or faeces on their food. Your gut bacteria also produce B12. But they live further down the intestines from the place where B12 is absorbed. Cows have a different layout so they can absorb B12 from their gut bacteria.

Humans can absorb the B12 produced by their own gut bacteria, but only if those bacteria are incubated ina growth medium. That’s why some fermented foods like kimchi can contain B12, they’ve been contaminated with human shit.

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HowCome
HowCome
in reply to fbirder

Nice!

Not sure kinchi contains b12... two types of seaweed are the only veg ever mentioned... and i read marmite’s b12 level night have been boosted by a decimal place error...

But in any case, whatever food source, if its malabsorption, jointpain , you’ll need injections of b12, (unless anyone can help me figure out reversing the malabsorption...)

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helvella
helvella
in reply to HowCome

marmite’s b12 level night have been boosted by a decimal place error

You can't just say that and not give even a hint as to a) wrong value; b) right value; c) reference to at least a some information about it. :-)

Mind, I wouldn't rely on Marmite for my B12 intake. Much as I like it and do eat it. :-)

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HowCome
HowCome
in reply to helvella

My apologies, yes, that’s bad of me, will find it again... needed to follow up and check, but mind overwhelmed with b12, PA and hashimotos stuff...

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Polaris

Just in case FB's just put everybody off fermented foods 🤔😳

bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide...

I take spoonfuls of sauerkraut every day - the only probiotic that finally settled years of digestive problems

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jointpain

I do inject every other day. It's that I can now tolerate gluten, milk, cheese, meats, all of which used to cause me many IBS type problems. This was before I found out that my b12 was low, it was measured for the first time after I had been supplementing for a month and was 178, again after two months and was 452, but though some b12 difficient symptoms went many remained. My folate levels are fine. I started to SI and my levels are to quote "too high to measure" never felt better, unless I don't SI then I get some nerve pain and involuntary movements. Recently tried milk, then later gluten, then meat, cheese, all of which I can now digest without a gut centered problem. With all this new found food freedom, I am putting on weight though!!

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Pinn14
Pinn14
in reply to jointpain

Your story is very encouraging. I too have nerve pain and involuntary movements, among a host of other symptoms, and have lost a lot of weight in the last 7 months. My digestion from the stomach down is not as it was before Christmas. How does one go about diagnosing a malabsorption problem?

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Ryaan

How do cows produce milk just by eating grass ?

If humans are grass will they start producing milk ?

How come cows don’t have deficiencies ?

It’s the machinery, hard wired by the creator.

🙂

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jointpain
jointpain
in reply to Ryaan

Cows do have deficiencies, they do not produce milk just by eating grass, humans are unable to fully digest grass, even so they would not produce milk just because the could.

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Ryaan
Ryaan
in reply to jointpain

😀

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Peepsdog

Cows have a very large stomach with 4 sections and large intestines. They Eat a lot of grass that is then highly fermented by bacteria into a large amount of essential fatty acids that they use for fuel. They also spend 70% or so of their day eating.. Its pretty crazy how different the digestive systems can be in animals.... too bad grass eating wont work for us....lol

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hellmice1
hellmice1
in reply to Peepsdog

Peepsdog, I think eating grass would help a fair bit.

Ok not b12 wise but I think it would help with "joint"pain, lol ;)

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Peepsdog

Ha ha i would totally graze all day if it would help my refractory celiac... i am so tired of all the injections weekly nutrient infusions and iron infusions.. I hope you find something that helps you feel great soon:)

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