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Sorry, didn’t copy & paste well. It basically said cancer cells have 14 times the number of insulin receptors as healthy cells-they need to scoop up as much glucose as poss.

In a scan, Half a small bar of chocolate will light up a cancer-because cancers love sugar”

Any comment, detractors? Just interested. I won’t argue

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Kryssy profile image
Kryssy

Hi Sherry.

For the past year the medics have repeated over and over NO SUGAR! When I have the PET scans I'm given a drip of glucose with readioactive stuff in as the cancer cells love the glucose. I have to sit quite still for a couple of hours so that the other cells in other organs don't get agitated. That's why the cancer cells glow like christmas lights as they are jumping for joy at a sugar overload. Luckily I don't have a sweet tooth and haven't really been a sugar person all of my life. Stevia is my chosen sweetner and now the ban is lifted in Europe I don't have to grow my own illegally. Happy days. xxxx

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Sherrym in reply to Kryssy

Fantastic. I hope this means the message is getting out there

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Kryssy in reply to Sherrym

It's not just processed sugar to be honest. A lot of food contains natural sugars and carbs convert to glucose in our systems. We need glucose to function but not an overload. I try to starve the wee bast*rds as much as I can. xxx

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bluepeterella

I'm currently reading The Metabolic Approach to Cancer which is a very interesting read so far. However being told that not only does sugar have to go (fine by me) but also all grains, lentils, beans, bread, pasta, chickpeas is making me rather less enthusiastic. And then that a tomato or a portion of 2 mushrooms is also causing the carb levels to creep up ....

Sugar is surprisingly hard to avoid as everyone wants to give me treats which are usually cakes, alcohol and other supposed goodies. Sometimes I just give in and eat a cake but it's surprising how sickly things taste once you've stopped using sugar and other sweeteners.

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Sherrym in reply to bluepeterella

Yes, I noticed that.

I give in too. Every now & then, by God it’s good.

Overall, I forage & enjoy masses of veg & complex carb & so enjoy feeding friends & family my new crusty stuff.😃

Onward & upward eh?

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RonLitBer in reply to bluepeterella

Really glad you mentioned this publication as it spurned me on to go and put a hold on an online copy from my library as I have been meaning to ready it for a bit. Rather than speaking of sugar it speaks of carbohydrates as introduced by Nobel Prize-laureate and scientist Otto Warburg. It is about depriving cancer of their primary fuel source (glucose). The ketogenic diet which relies on the body's production of ketones as fuel is the centrepiece of The Metabolic Approach to Cancer. Having said this I have found it difficult to stick to a diet really low in carbohydrates and still try and gain weight not to mention needing some more variety in my meals. I do try to limit the carbohydrates I consume however. I don't really have a sweet tooth so this is not so difficult for me to do but I do love bread and that has proven more of a challenge. It has also been difficult to give up as much fruit as I used to eat. I think it is worth a read. I have also experienced how the taste of sweet things changes (and not for the better) once you have not been consuming sweets.

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Lyndy

I admit that I haven’t read about this in depth but I have seen articles from reputable sources saying that a balanced diet is best.

I am wary of anything too simplistic...that suggests that doctors are ‘hiding the truth ‘. Cancer is a very complex set of diseases... not sure I believe that sugar is the culprit here....I wish it was that easy but that’s just my view and I completely understand that people want to try things out for themselves xx

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Hopefulgal1

Hello - I am on my “4th recurrence” ( hmmm - did it ever go away?!) and am actually feeling much less strict as I did when finding out the first time. I was so good no sugar little dairy v little carbs. Read everything ( including Chris approach...) was Huge amount of veggies I grew etc. but then off it went again... I am now v aware I avoid sweet treats and have almond milk in coffee but my juicing has slowed right down and the odd strawberry tart (!) makes me happy. It’s quite hard as it has been over 3 years! But I do try...!

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Sherrym in reply to Hopefulgal1

Same as me! I am at this v moment planting up my sprouting turmeric, eating strawberries from 2nd crop. Had 3 glasses, large, red wine with my mates last night though!!

We can only try

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Hopefulgal1 in reply to Sherrym

Of course - I like the comment below “ eat like your grandparents did” lively homegrown Toms etc in my memories. Mind you my grandfather died of cancer but he did smoke payers every day!!

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Sherrym in reply to Hopefulgal1

Haha! & thoroughly enjoyed them I bet.

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lynn6156

I'm not convinced about the sugar thing yet - I don't trust the medics on anything nutritional to be honest. They've had us on low fat since the 1950's and heart disease /obesity has gone up. They've admitted mistakes about the fat situation but very very quietly and are redirecting our attention onto sugar instead. I think they have a point - I'm sure sugar is bad in the quantities a lot of todays society consumes but I doubt it's the whole story. I barely had sugar as a child (not talking carb digestion but sugary foods/sweets/fizzy drinks). We simply couldnt afford it. I was given a choice at weekend - you can have a comic or you can have sweets but you can't have both. I chose the comic every time as a no brainer (manic reader) and grew up not really liking sweets. Similarly with food my mother never bought a ready meal - I dont remember her going in a supermarket. It was all home made and I carried on when I got to my 20's, making everything including bread from scratch. And yet I have more diseases than I can shake a feather at.

On the other hand, the best diet advice i've come across - and I read tons of articles a week - is that we should eat like our grandparents did. Although I've got a shed load of diseases I'm on no medication for any of them (apart from the chemo, obs). I think my fairly old fashioned diet keeps things under control. I've long thought all my diseases are connected with some genetic flaw and this latest OC makes me even more sure.

Ironically I've been summoned for a general health check tomorrow (cholesterol etc). That should be interesting.

So after all that waffle (sorry, got the post chemo steroid agitation thing going on), but after all that I don't think a bit of cake / chocolate is going to do much harm. Next weekend I'm taking myself off to a lovely garden with tea room and I'll be having a nice big piece of (hopefully) chocolate cake to celebrate the end of toxic tuesdays (at least for now)

Lynn

x

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bamboo89

I've done a rather long post on your other post about sugar... but just to say I don't think that sugar is the only problem. Yes, we all eat too much of it, and its very difficult to avoid, and lord knows we have to eat, so glucose will still get to the cancer growths unless we starve ourselves to death instead, but if you generally don't eat added sugar, the odd cake occasionally is neither here nor there...

In a general (not cancer related) sense, I think sugar generally is being scapegoated in the same way that fat/cholesterol was a few years back - blaming either of those on their own for people's health problems is way too simplistic. Human beings have complicated body systems, and they're not the same across the board either - we're individuals. It still annoys me that many trials and tests for research are conducted on men and extrapolated to the population at large... though they are getting better and recognising that females/children may respond differently.

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Sherrym in reply to bamboo89

Whilst 100% disagreeing, (as you can gather from my other posts) again I understand we all choose our own way.

I don’t see sugar as a scapegoat, but a major -in fact, the biggest- feeder!!

There, I have said it. I am so sorry everyone, prove me wrong, but that... that is my absolute positive belief.

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bamboo89 in reply to Sherrym

I've no problem with a different opinion Sherrym - we're all between a rock and a hard place, and all must proceed as we see fit. In my book, after lots of research, dairy is just as bad if not worse than sugar... and the sad fact is, everything we eat turns to glucose, otherwise the healthy cells can't use it, sugar or no... but please read my other post on your other entry today which actually isn't about sugar per se, but about diet and cancer generally. You might find it interesting...

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Sherrym in reply to bamboo89

Only carbs convert to glucose. Some protein, if body requires, may convert.

Make it complex, nothing white, & your body takes a lesser hit.

Not rocket science.

By the way, glucose ages you too.

Big time

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bamboo89 in reply to Sherrym

I eat whole food plant based 98% of the time (no white anything) - no dairy ever, eggs meat and fish rarely

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lynn6156 in reply to Sherrym

Don't apologise!

I don't care if we all disagree as long as there are opinions and information to consider, and whilst i'm a bit doubtful I'll go and look at it all again.

It's much better to discuss things than no one having a clue what to do. And I think if you're doing something - whether it's avoiding sugar or taking some Indian herb or juicing your veggies or even praying - it gives you some sort of control; a feeling that you're trying your best and that's what we all want to do isn't it. There's supposed to be a lot of benefit just from positivity and all these things we do add to that.

Lynn

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Sherrym in reply to lynn6156

Yes!! It is about control . I have to recognise that. After so long being so helpless, maybe I just have to feel I, ME, I am making a difference.

Off out now.

Tx everyone for responding

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Lizzie1234

I'm a diabetic and had to make sure my bloods were normal before pet scan. As they give you sugar in a drip prior to scan to highlight all cancer cells. Keep on eating sugar and you're basically feeding them same goes for salt too.

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Yoshbosh

I’ve totally cut back (almost cut out) on any refined sugars. I don’t eat sweets, cakes, biscuits etc. I also try to avoid them in sauces, preferring to make as much food from scratch as possible.

I do struggle with sugars in ‘good’ foods like fruit and veg, and for me, that’s where I weigh up the pros of getting some nutrients from the foods vs the cons of the sugar content. I’m OK with the choices I make in this respect, and I don’t want to totally starve my body of things that it needs. I don’t think I’d be able to do a ketogenic diet for example, and for every study I’ve read which waxes lyrical about the benefits, I’ve found an equally credible source which explains why it can’t work the way the proponents of it say it does.

All of the theories out there contradict each other, and it’s a minefield for cancer patients to navigate. Ultimately we can only do what we believe is right for us as individuals. In my case, it’s cut out refined crap, for someone else it would be a keto diet, vegan for someone else, and a little of what you fancy for someone else.

I think good nutrition needs to be a key part in our treatment and recovery - and I don’t think our NHS dieticians are allowed to go outside of the defined boundaries, so the advice we receive is often not that helpful. Don’t know how we change that though...

Good post, Sherry. Thanks for sharing.

Vicki x

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Sherrym in reply to Yoshbosh

Hi Vicki.

Yeah, Tx for yr thoughts. It is a minefield.

Good news on the Beeb today re childhood blood cancer treatments. Fantastic

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