I, for one, am so grateful bojo has now acted and shut the lot down!
I absolutely know how difficult this will be but I personally, could see no other way of getting through this with as few fatalities as possible.
Thank god : I, for one, am so grateful bojo has now... - NRAS
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But all my kids own bars 😭😭😭
But didn’t he announce some financial help?
Yes. On the surface anyway, an unprecedented amount
I agree on the surface....after it was announced I was watching a financial site but can't remember which one & an expert said that it's all well & good offering this to businesses but it is actually illegal should a director knowing they are close to going under & take out a loan .....thereafter the powers that be can decide that this decision was reckless by the company & the director of the company can be prosecuted....so at what time would they decide they have to proceed to try to save the company or just let it go. I think there is more help for the individual worker? What madness but still think it is the only way for our health & the health of others to take this approach. Just so sorry for those that will have to go through this.
Their bars closed on Monday as they felt morally they should. But had to lay off staff. Hoping some help will be hood but when you have overheads and no income at all....
Yes daughter in similar boat with her bike shop. She has 5 staff and can’t keep paying them forever with takings down to rock bottom.
We (France) have been in complete lockdown since Tuesday and to me it makes things simple - you can’t do anything or go anywhere really. And everyone is in the same boat (apart from people who have jobs that require them to go out) so that minimises friction. Yes there was panic buying on Monday, and some things yet to be restocked, but this morning there were only 3 cars in our supermarket carpark.
If you live in a small flat with no balcony its tough, but it is doable.
Lives depend on it HH. Tough, it will be but we have to think about more than ourselves and the greater good. Also, all those NHS workers, putting themselves at great risk daily - we have to do whatever it takes to support them.
I wish government would just go for total shut down here too, it makes things easier for everyone in many ways. But it will come here, hopefully not too late 😔
Are you in Scotland?
Yes, Edinburgh
Me too. I noted Nicolas ‘asking’ that all places close but my understanding is that this wasn’t a ‘request’ per second, given the ordering of such by WM? I’m really hoping that is in fact the case as previously, Nicola has been slightly ahead of the U.K. Government?
Per se rather - typo
It's an order by WM, all pubs, bars, cinema etc cannot open tomorrow.
Yes that’s why I asked where you were as it’s my understanding that’s what’s happening in Scotland too?
Just when you’d said you ‘wished it would happen here too’ x
Gov are doing so... even local Council here has now closed swimming pools, libraries, cinemas. Churches are taking Gov advice too, apart from one... I objected to them (not my church) but not had a response yet.
I'm wondering how a total shut down will help the situation ? What happens when every one comes out of isolation? Does the virus just "go away". I don't understand how isolating yourself will stop the virus. It will slow down the spread and the weak will still die and most people will get it. Unless the whole world locks down together it's pointless. The virus is now out in the world and no amount of isolating will change that. Slow it down yes but that is all.
If I had the answer to all of your questions I guess I would be in the running for a Nobel prize.
But one thing, I do believe in is historical facts, I'm sure you are more than aware of the 1918 pandemic ? Are you suggesting a repeat ?
I also tend to go with the views of combined world science rather than a non expert individual.
That is fine! I don't expect you to follow my thinking but as you can't answer my questions and don't really know why we should all isolate or what will happen when we emerge then I guess you will have to follow the sheep.
It's not only one individual asking these questions it's all of us who have enquiring intelligent minds.
All I'm looking for is answers as to WHY we are doing what we are doing and what happens to the virus after that. I'm not saying it's wrong or right but as you can't answer maybe you shouldn't have responded at all.
If you don't like the answers you get, or are not prepared to accept other views than your own, don't ask the question.
I think you’re being unnecessarily harsh.
As a qualified nurse and social worker, I do believe I have as an enquiring mind as the next.
I find it disappointing, the need to be so harsh when each of us are struggling to make sense of something like this, in our own way.
As i clearly do not have what you need, I don’t require any further response.
Thank you and good luck
The peak is suddenly starting to soar and we need to "flatten the curve" so that NHS ICU capacity isn't breached. The less exposure people have to each other then the less the spread of the disease.
Once the pressure on the NHS has reduced a bit and there are more ICU beds then the restrictions may be lifted a little for a little while and then put back in place. It's kind of like slowly releasing a pressure valve on and off over an extended period of time instead of all in one go if that makes sense?
Basically, it's to ensure that as and when people get sick the NHS have enough ICU beds and staff to deal with it, instead of everyone getting sick all at once and totally overwhelming the health care system as in Italy.
That is how I understand bit anyway.
That is exactly what the intention is however will not stop those who are going to succumb to virus from getting it sooner or later will just slow it down so hopefully nhs can cope.
There is a plan for coming out of it too. The Scot gov website and Jason leitch, explain this well. Or at least as well as anyone is in a position to do so at the minute.
The NHS being able to cope with cases will be critical in coming out of things.
It still won't solve the problem. People will still get the virus and the weak will still die.
I'm trying to establish what the point of isolation is as at the moment, apart from it helping the NHS to cope I. E. We don't all get the virus at the same time, I don't see any other benefit. As soon as you leave your house you are at risk of catching it.
Hopefully the idea is that we support the NHS be better able to cope with the peak and then as case arise, in a staged manner and prevent deaths.
And also, we give time to the medical profession to work on a solution.
I don’t have any of the answers but because I don’t, I’m more than happy to be guided by those who know much better than I.
Why would anyone think they know better than all the expert knowledge and money in the world ? 😉
You don't need to be an expert to think things through and work it all out. It's quite easy to understand why they are doing what they are however it doesn't stop the virus only slows it down. You can isolate yourself all you like but if you are going to get it then you will sooner or later.
I think you’ve made your point and if seeking answers, this is clearly not the place to find them - as you’ve repeatedly pointed out. Maybe try the NHS and government websites. You May find what you need there.
Well you won't get expert scientific views here on a forum for people with RD !
If the best research, insight, science and all that money can buy are struggling, my guess is any wee jeanie fae doon the street won't know better ( as we say in Scotland), no matter how well intentioned.
Just because you accept the best advice to cut transfer of the virus doesn't make people sheep, it makes us just trying to do the best we can.
Remember that the aim is not to stop the virus, that window is long gone.....and well publicised that it's long gone....I did not think people thought was an aim anymore ?????
The aim is to reduce transmission, flatten the curve, aim for waves of high and low transfer to enable the health services to cope.
Exactly my point!! Help the nhs to cope.
I wasn't looking for scientific advice on a site for people with RA, I was asking if anyone knew why and what would happen when we emerge. You can only flatten the curve whilst isolated so as soon as you emerge it will curve again.
Anyway this is pointless. I asked a question which you couldn't answer.
The best place for advice with scientific backing is the official public information sites and some commentary from established scientists in the field ( take care they are reputable...easy to do with a google search).
Everything else is commentary from wee Jeanie doon the street types, who may have an opinion, but it will most likely lack any real insight and most often be untrue and completely ill informed.
As an example, my mum lives in sheltered housing, the large sitting room has been closed, but guidance given on using the gardens, visiting in each others flats, accepting deliveries and so on. My mum now supports all initiatives and tells me how much she understands the need. Then goes to the hairdressers, no ability to transfer knowledge from one setting to another....this is the reality.
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You dismiss slowing down the spread of the virus as if it is unimportant, when in fact it is hugely important for the reason you have acknowledged - to help the NHS to cope. While it is true that there will still be deaths during and after isolation, there would be many more deaths if everyone got infected around the same time and there were not enough intensive care beds, staff or ventilators. Spreading out the cases over time gives more people the chance to survive. I don't think it appropriate to attach the word "only" to this.
If you are not concerned about conditions being created to help more people to survive, what are you concerned about?
Cheylann in reply to
I'm concerned about all of it and never dismissed the importance of slowing down the virus at all!
People who will survive during lock down will have immunity and that will slow down spread of the virus even further when we emerge.
Young people in Italy are dying now because there are not enough beds in hospitals to treat them.
That's why slowing down the spread and helping nhs to cope is so important.
I am not an expert. That's just my take of things.
I was thinking the same. Such a demanding question on a forum that is not expected to know the answer.
Do people honestly believe that Governments worldwide of all political persuations, have clamped down on public freedom and, poured trillions....trillions...of dollars into rescue packages because they don't think it's needed ?
Unbelievable
I have no problem with the question, but I do with the felt shut down of peoples opinions if not chiming with ones own.
Not getting it all at once should be benefit enough.
I can't help but feel a terrible grief for all those who have just lost their livelihoods, let alone the cost of lives. Terrible times.
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God, totally agree.
We have been in lockdown for a week in greece. Got another five week minimum lockdown. If every country put in a lockdown for two weeks then perhaps we could get back to normal quicker.
I'm totally with you...when it was clear nothing was working then it should have gone on lockdown....the sooner it's done the sooner it can be over with & would of probably saved a few more lives God rest their souls. Be
safe & well
Please explain how total lock down will stop this virus? I really don't understand why it would work at all. It will slow it down but as soon as you leave your house it will surface again and then start spreading. Hiding isn't the answer it's just prolonging the inevitable.
I don’t have the answers you seek- sorry.
What I do understand is to allow people to continue to gather and function as normal will almost guarantee the spread of the virus, many more people becoming dreadfully sick at the same time, the NHS being swamped and many more unnecessary deaths.
Yes, it’s rubbish for each and everyone of us but I think we have to bite the bullet, take the advice that we are being given and do what we can for each other.
That’s all I have.
Thank you. All I wanted was to find out if anyone knew why isolating helps and yes it does help in that we won't all get it at the same time and swamp the NHS and therfore they wouldn't cope. However, isolation will not stop the virus at all and as soon as we emerge we may be in the same position. Hopefully they will find a vaccine or some other way to stop it whilst we are isolated.
I agree all we can do is follow advice.
That, and it allows scientist and medical professions the time needed to find a cure or vaccineZ
Like others have said it would help the NHS which is obviously a bit one..this is all new to many of us so we don't have the answers but for those of us who are high risk it makes sense not to go into crowded places where the risk to catch anything would be higher. It may only slow it down but who knows that might give us time to work out how to stop it & again we will not know until we get nearer to that time...like some of the other respiratory diseases they have been found to lessen or stop when temperatures increase....we are just as much in the dark as you & can only do what we feel is best for ourselves & our families to keep us safe & try to stay away from the madness. BTW there are many websites that can pique your curiosity such as Reddit ....a lot of them are highly intelligent & may have an answer to your questions.
I agree. Makes sense. The entire world needs to lock down at the same time otherwise it's pointless and the virus will continue to spread.
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