Easy effective way to support gut health?
Daily raw carrot sallad has shown to have beneficial effects on gut health, to quite an amazing extent.
I'm not questioning that it's good to eat vegetables, and raw vegetables, as they have many benefits. And I think carrot salad is great.
But I am questioning what this unique fibre in a carrot is? I'm presuming he's talking about an insoluble fibre as those are the ones that help chivvy along and cleanse a grumbly gut? So vegetables usually have either or both cellulose & lignin as insoluble fibres. What's so different about a carrot? Or is this just another line to make it sound as if he has special knowledge?
(I also slightly take against the dismissal of the food related war propaganda... carrots are good for health and eye health because of vitamin A anyway. But some sources say the british government pushed carrots and vision when we were bombarded with night time raids, knowing the germans read all the propaganda too, to cover up that the british had radar. They also helped accustom people to heavier rationing on sugar. )
Thank you HH for your input. Here are more thorough information on why carrot sallad may be beneficial. Picks from Ray Peats articles on the subject.
Sorry Simba, but that's not got any more in it to explain why carrot or bamboo shoot is any different. To me it's a dressed up version of my granny's health tips of eating lots of fibrous fruit & veggies is good for cleansing your gut and keeping it moving, and by doing so balance other parts of your body. His science is a bit wobbly.
Which doesn't mean its not a good idea to eat carrot salad.
Different veggies have different effects on our metabolism, here is an article on why. Similar articles are found in abundance if you want to do research. Root vegetables are in fact in many ways better for you.
An other good source of information when eating veggies.
That cracks me up slightly! Each of the article cherry picks bits of science to support theory A or theory B. Which are generally contradictory. Basically to me it's best to learn about your own body and what works best for it.
The point I was making is that you can't be credible if you write an article that says "carrots have a unique fibre" when there is no evidence that carrots have any different fibre than any other fibrous vegetable.
Comon it's impossible to have an article that would without any shadow of a doubt prove something! It's always a question of gathering information and facts and make up your mind what you want to try and what you think has the most believable arguments. Gut healt is central in everything and we also know that most of us do have issues with this, I really see no point in arguing down every possible dietary support for this important problem.
I agree entirely with you that gut health is an important issue, and working out the best dietary regime for you is equally vital.
And sharing tips and ideas equally good, so really I'm not getting at you at all. And carrots are great.
It just drives me wild that there's a style of writing that basically tries to make out it's more evidence based than it is. If there isn't the evidence then don't pretend there is...it's totally fine and honest to say that anecdotal studies show x or y. And anyone who puts themselves forward as an expert that others are looking up to and believing should make sure that what they write is factual. Otherwise they are no better than a snake oil saleperson.
As far as I know, and I can't find anything to the contrary, carrots do not contain an unique fibre.
Then You haven't looked far enough. The high amount of pectin fiber in carrots make it sort of special.
Let's not fall out over this! But pectin is a pretty common soluble fibre, and carrots are no different from other veg like peas. And loads of other things which is useful to know in jam making.
The question was about the beneficial effects of the carrot sallad recommended. Carrot has compared to other vegetables unique qualities in fact. Peas have also thyroid disrupting qualities beside pectin and fruits are a different chapter. The knowledge behind the carrot sallads beneficial effects are thus quite believable. The studies supporting carrots beneficial effects are not something Ray Peat has fabricated, or just a fab.🤓
Well let's agree to disagree...after all its christmas so goodwill to all amd so on.
😊 Merry Christmas. Simba
simba your killing me can you find good pie chart/graph with meat and potato peas and gravy that is full of all those goodies RAW CARROT well will give it a go but how many times a week would you have to have it for it to do its work
Did you look at the recepie for the carrot sallad at the end of the article? You should eat it every day ( important!) It is quite easy and it does make quite a lot of difference. Those who have tried it say you need to give it some time to really see the difference but it has really worked. Ray peat is a known biochemist and he would not recommend anything if it was not based on serious science.
Anyways it's so easy to try. I'm starting today and will repport back after three weeks😊
thanks simba i will check it out
I love raw carrot so I am going to give this a try. It is such an easy recipe even I can do it. I will be a human guinea pig and report back in a months time.
We can compare results after three weeks😊🤓
Thanks Simba! As I’m gluten free I often struggle to make a quick lunch when I’m without gf bread. My go to lunch is a big bowl of grated dressed raw carrot with some protein on top. I grate 4 or 5 carrots at a time in a food processor and keep it on a Tupperware box for a few days which makes things super quick. The children are happy to eat the grated carrot if it’s steamed in the microwave for a few minutes. They prefer it to raw carrot sticks or batons. If I’m super organised, I will also keep a box of grated courgettes in the fridge to mix in or stir fry with oil and chilli flakes and a box of lightly steamed kale. It makes trying to eat veggies that much easier.
Thanks for posting your links.
Does it help you see in the dark, like my mum used to say to make me eat my carrots? 😉😂
Your grandmother was right! True enough the betacarotene in carrots is converted to vitA and vit A is good for eyes😊Even better for seeing in the dark are blueberries.
Oh dear. Sorry. That was my sense of humour🙄😂
Many old remedies have a lot of truth to them, otherwise they would not have survived through centuries😊
Well I have never ever seen a rabbit wearing glasses so that's good enough evidence for me! 😄
The mushrooms are working for me! Happy RA lassie with less pain and stiffness. Think if you action something rather than talk about it then that will prove beyond any doubts!
Yes mashrooms are also shown to be very beneficial, you can add them to your carrot sallad😊
Indeed! There may not be a cure as such yet but there are easy ways to feel better!
Right you are😊👍🏻
Are they magic then ? 😉
Wish there was magic😊
Well there are quite a number of people trying them so time will tell
Hi Simba, i have found that I am unable to digest anything raw in salad form, even carrots, but the same veggies in raw juice form is great for my gut. For me, even a little fibre is too much. My stomach bloats when I have a salad. When our gut is already compromised, wouldn't it be better to make it easier on the gut by having cooked veggies? At least for people like me, for whom a little fibre is actually too much fibre?
Hello Padram, Thats how it is with me too and why I have been reluctant to try the carrot sallad. I cook my veggies too and juice the raw ones. Berries and fruits are quite ok though. I thought I would give the carrot sallad a go though, the fiber in carrots are more easily broken down than in other veggies. If it doesn't work then I'll just stop. 😊Take care. Simba
Paddison seems to get a hard time on here , but he isn't that wrong re the gut! I think a lot of people just don't want to change their diet which I can understand to a certain degree. They don't like change and maybe question why should I change. But, the way this disease is, we have to make changes if we want to feel better in a less toxic way.
If you're able to check back on Andyswarbs replies (if they still exist) you'll see one reason given in a long explanation by an Administrator why. The only diet recommended for RD by NICE is the Mediterranean diet. They kindly did quite a lot of work to reliably disprove Andy's argument yet it was never resolved amicably. If I have time I'll see if I can rootle it out of the depths.
Andy Swarb! Now that’s a blast from the past 😂. I remember THAT war that broke out too 🙄😂
I'm regretting mentioning it! Best left in the past.
Hi ladies. I don't think there's ever a one size fits all approach when it comes to diet. Too many people have food allergies these days. I believe people should eat healthy but I think you have to tailor a diet that suits you.
Carbs convert high to sugar and are featured in the med diet. Sugar fuels inflammation so i dont know about that. I do believe in what dr MK the cardiologist wrote about the inbalance of oils like omega 6 being a problem too....
If the paddison program helped andi wards then i dont understand what the problem was? If you could find admins response I would like to read it too please. Thanks😃
Andy is actually one member of the forum who has been able to quit meds and symptoms of RA after being nearly wheel chair bound and is now living an active life. The Paddisson protocol worked for him. Lucky duck. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone as you said. Simba
Fantastic result though!
That's amazing. Why were people fighting with him then? Is he still on the forum? I like to hear about anything that helps people. We all just have to do what works for us. Go andy lol x
Without going into details, you can get in touch with him on the Healthy Eating forum here on healthunlocked. He has his recovery story well documented😊
It's ok I've got a feeling I know why. A lot of people don't know much about diets and allergies etc. They don't know that they can be responsible for inflammation. They probably thought it was rubbish. That's why it's good that people like you post articles by well respected cardiologists etc. People can learn where stories like andy warbs are coming from x
No, it wasn't due to people not knowing, he was steadfast in the Paddison diet. Using myself as an example I can eat the nightshade family (those I like anyhow) whereas others respond negatively. I wouldn't have told Andy that, if you understand having told him I follow a mainly Mediterranean diet. So not do much us not understand than Andy unaccepting.
I would like to know why too? Good on the guy!
People were not fighting with him, he was fighting with anybody who proffered a different view point or who had a poor experience on the Paddison program. At the time the this forum was bombarded with information about Paddison, not necessarily from Andy, dozens of videos were being posted flooding the site, so it couldn't be said that folk didn't have the information. Members were dropping out of this forum as it wasn't meeting their needs and expectations. There are more appropriate sites including Paddisons own if you want to follow up on the diet.
As long as people were respectful and not mocking his ideas. Ive noticed sometimes when people come out with a less conventional method people can be very dismissive.
I think all diets should be discussed on any health forum. The thing is, new members will join this forum daily and this may be why he was regurgitating his story etc. Fair enough.
I understood he was still on MTX from one of his later posts/replies, unless you've seen otherwise more recently Simba?
He is not on any meds. Stopped Mtx gradually. Quite some time has passed since he became med free.😊
Well done him. If only it was a regime all could follow & it worked for!
Without labouring the point the Paddison diet is what he did very well on to the exclusion of others. He wanted the NRAS to include it as an addition to the Mediterranean diet, the only one recognised by NICE & the Rheumatology association (can't bring the correct title to mind) & despite meeting with NRAS & a detailed reply on the site why it would not be possible he continued to argue the fact until eventually his account was removed, also because of his replies to members I think.
If I can find relevant post I'll copy it here.
He was obviously passionate about it, if it cured him or significantly improved his health. I'm sure his intentions were good and that he really wanted to help others.
Sounds like there is some merit in what he was saying. He bought attention to food allergies and the inflammatory nature of omega 6 oils i believe? That was good. I believe that is an issue for a lot of people with chronic disease.
However, due to food allergies varying amongst individuals, any diet would have to be tweaked. No one can be rigid in that respect.
There's a lot of science behind the keto diet as well. That seems to help a lot of chronic diseases too. I think it would be good if admin made people aware that different diets work for different people. As long as they reinforce the message that normal western diets are not healthy....
I do believe this will happen in the future as more and more evidence for the role of diet in autoimmune diseases is growing and there is actually a study where the goal is to construct a special diet for RA sufferers. ( I have posted about this study earlier).
Fingers crossed Simba. X
Yes his responses to some members was unacceptable. I am glad he has found a site where he can talk about his experiences with the Paddison program without upsetting folk.
Were people respectful to him about his suggestions? I didnt see any of this?
I received unpleasant responses from him, I certainly never showed him any disrespect. His responses to folk were personal not general.
No that's fair enough. I just wondered if he had been provoked that's all. I've seen it many times when people go against the grain. As long as people are respectful to each other then you can agree to disagree...
There are always two sides to every story, nothing is black and white. The fantastic thing was however that he achieved full med free remission with his protocol.😊
I fully agree Simba. It is wonderful that he has got his health back. X
We thought that too. He did hot yoga too, impressive.
You saw it Simba, surely you can't think it was acceptable the way he talked to people? Including Admin. Anyway it's past history.
He managed to stop his MTX? If so then fair play to him. Just wish he'd have been here to tell us so that would have meant a lot.
Yes, it was the unfortunate way about him that was ultimately why the decision was made by Admin. I can assure you they were patient with him. He upset many people.
They were, I think it was that which caused Admin to do as they did. We ended on good terms, he gave me some leeway on my last conversation with him, acceptable anyway, you know how it could be Marilyn. It is good he's able to talk about all things that interest him... we assume! I've not read anything from him in a couple of years, Kai either for that matter.
Hope you're ok?
Thanks nmh. Yes I am doing OK, one of the fortunate ones who don't have too many side effects from drug therapy; most my pain now is due to long term damage, or so I am told by my consultant. I am sat here chewing a raw carrot. Lol. I tend to cook some up for most evening meals. Following Simbas post I will have a pre meal raw carrot snack too.
That's good to hear, excepting the pain. Enjoy the carrots!
I love raw carrots. Not only do they taste great but they fill me up and keep my pred hunger at bay. But its important to remember that you should never eat more that 3 carrots a day as the liver cannot cope with the high levels of Vitamin A and you can develop hyper carotenemia, same goes for squash and sweet potatoes.
Looks like a great recipe that I will try out, thanks!
Being a chiId brought up in the fifties I remember being given a chunk of raw carrot to snack on instead of sweets and crisps. The biggest treat being pea pods straight from the plant. It was common place for families to grow there own veg, and without dwelling on it this being organic and seasonal. We also made ginger beer and never had factory made fizzy drinks. Meat was eaten but in much smaller portions. Milk was provided daily for every school child. Vegetables were an essential part of school meals. Chips in school were unheard of.
People had less income, parents wartime experiences led to frugality with the knock on effect of a much healthier lifestyle. Processed and sugary foods were very rare treats and not part of every day diet. Where did we go so wrong.
You've just brought a memory back. Mums larder/back porch, my attempt at home made ginger beer. Those bottles that didn't pop the cork were lovely, Mum not so pleased about the state of the ceiling! She wasn't cross for long. ☺️
Yes it's really sad seems like mankind is slowly poisoning it self. 😢
Hi Simba..thanks for posting this. 😊. I’ve just emailed the link to myself and plan to give it ago after Xmas. Anything is worth a try and there’s absolutely nothing to lose by trying it! Happy Christmas! 🎄
You are so right! Remember not to give it up after too short a try. Good luck and Merry X- mas. xSimba
I tried the carrot salad tonight with my steak and it was lovely, although I used two tsp of cider vinegar and added ground pepper.
Did you have the coconut oil? Thats an important ingredient. Be careful with the vinegar as well.😊👍🏻Simba
I have to avoid coconut oil. I've had it before but it really sets my gallbladder off so I used a small amount of olive oil instead. I guess everyone is different. I've been told by gastro and rheumatology to add cider vinegar into my diet. I often have it in hot water with honey, why do you say be careful of it?
Apple cider vinegar is ok. The mix in the carrot sallad requiers a very tiny bit of vinegar. Too bad that coconut oil is out it has so many good benefits. But olive oil is still fine. Yes we are all different and to follow our bodies reactions is the key. Glad you enjoyed the sallad😊All the best. Simba
I love carrots and eat a lot of them, they are easy to diguest and are a natural firbre
Then maybe you will try the sallad. Recepie in the link. Take care😊
at all (please correct me if I'm wrong) into gut health and autoimmunity and I just don't understand...
in the gut, as well as maybe containing the one thing I need to avoid.. and if I have leaky gut, then...
when i will have my op. My family are gutted, they had arranged to come and help. I have to start over...
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