Red light therapy for RA

[Simba1992]

Have been studying the effects of Red light therapy and sounds quite interesting so bought a device and now trying it out. Lots of good feed back and also research on the effect😊Have any of you tried it?

This is what it's about.

redlightman.com/blog/light-...

[Kate23]

That rings a bell, I remember my mum in Canada using a similar device for her osteoarthritis back in the 1970’s..have you felt any benefits as yet? I’d be 8nterested to know which device you have purchased,...By the way the addition of B3 vitamin to my non dmard regime is going well..

[wishbone in reply to Kate23]

Hiya Kate, I have RA, and with the exception of pain killers and hydroxy, I can't take any type of RA medication whatsoever, and that includes steroids and anti inflammatories. Much appreciated if you could enlighten me a little about your B3 non dmard regime?

[Simba1992 in reply to wishbone]

Sorry for budding in, just wanted to give you the link.

doctoryourself.com/kaufman5...

😊xxSimba

[wishbone in reply to Simba1992]

Thanks for that Simba. Did some more research...apparently high levels vit B3 are best avoided if you have stomach ulcers. Unfortunately I have stomach issues, which could be due to an ulcer, so perhaps best not risk it.

[Simba1992 in reply to wishbone]

Safest perhaps to ask your doctor😊xxSimba

[Simba1992 in reply to Simba1992]

Then again, not very logical since N has shown to help with wound healing(?) Here a link that shows the possitive effects on ulcers, you could show your doc😊

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/198...

[wishbone in reply to Simba1992]

That is interesting. I'll ask my rheumatologist what she thinks when I next see her.

Thanks again.

[Simba1992 in reply to wishbone]

Do tell wat she says?!😊xxSimba

[wishbone in reply to Simba1992]

Will do.

Afraid there's no xx from me...I'm too much of a he man for all that girly stuff!

[Simba1992 in reply to wishbone]

😉

[Kate23 in reply to wishbone]

Hi wishbone, a number of us are looking into less aggressive alternatives to .Dmards.. Simba 1992 has done a lot of research and often posts links to some great articles, one of which is the use of vitamin B3 ...I see he has kindly added the link to the article below.....my personal experience of it is quite recent and I am still working up to the optimum dosage...I also take Vit D, cider vinegar and controversially CBD oil! (Expensive though)...

It’s well worth reading through the link that Simba has shared and deciding if it’s something that you could try..

Kate

[Needforname in reply to Kate23]

Kate23 Hey Kate, would you mind sharing your dosage and brand of the B3 you're taking? I'm wanting to get started and would like to use what you're using since it's working for you. I too tried CBD, but it didn't work. I'm trying medical THC+CBD shortly. I'll let everyone know if it works at reducing pain.

[Hidden in reply to Kate23]

Hi Kate 23, I was interested in all the replies about the red light therapy, as my husband, who has had chronically infected and diseased lungs since early childhood, (the proper name for the condition is bronchiectasis,) and only has a third functioning lung tissue left, cannot take the DMARDS, because it could be lethal for him from the immune suppressant point of view and continual lung infections he would get on DMARDS. He developed RA at the ripe old age of 68 and his hands are so bad, with no medication, he is suicidal, (he was an engineer by profession and always had something in his hands he was fixing, but now he can't even boil the kettle.) I presume you are in America to be getting hold of the CBD oil? The mean and stupid NHS wouldn't let anyone get hold of anything like that here in GB. The laws here are sometimes bonkers.

[ITYFIALMCTT in reply to Hidden]

CBD oil is legal in the UK as it doesn't have the psychotropic THC element.

The standardisation, quality etc. is variable nonetheless, CBD products are UK legal and even available in H&B.

[Pamak in reply to Hidden]

I have bought some CBD patches here in UK . They last only 4 hours but gave me a nights sleep. I felt quite fuzzy the next day though. I would be interested in the oil

[Hidden in reply to Pamak]

Hi Pamak, Thanks, I'll try to find some, as the Rheumatologist didn't give my husband anything except Voltarol 12 gel for the pain and inflammation in his hands. Then they cut the funding at the Care Trust and he only gets useless Feldene Gel now. More than forty years ago, when we were young and daft, we did smoke some real pot now and then, but it could make you very sick and hallucinate. In the nearest city to where we live, someone is selling e-cigs, with the oil already in for £10 for each one. I'll have to get my husband to try it, although he would be better off without smoking anything as he has bad lungs. It's a laugh when a couple of elderly cripples have to resort to doing deals in deserted alleys, with shady people!

[Pamak in reply to Hidden]

We have to laugh don’t we ? Otherwise we’ll cry 😭

[Simba1992]

Hello Kate23,

Nice to hear from you again and that the B3 therapy is going well. It has really helped me too.Would like to hear more about what dose you are taking and effects. You are welcome to PM me too😊.As an extra perk it has had a healing effect on eye ulcers in my right eye, that I have been batteling with because of dry eyes ,the eye is nearly normal now😊.

I am quite excited about the red light therapy. Bought the mini combo 670.All the best. xxSimba

[Kate23 in reply to Simba1992]

Hi Simba I’m up to 3000 mg (2x500 mgs 3 times a day)....I’m finding my pain has decreased quite substantially and my general wellbeing (mood and feel good) has increased...Have you read the articles by Jeffrey Dach M.D. regarding this? V.interesting....I have had a blood test since starting the B3 and pleased to say my inflammation markers are well down on what they were. (Got a 2nd blood test on Thursday so hoping to see a continuation of this)..

Nice to catch up , I’m now off to look into Red light treatment !

[Simba1992 in reply to Kate23]

Hi Kate23,

Sounds fantastic👍🏻😊I have found it difficult to get to 4g but 2,5-3g does seem to work for me too. Will have my blood tests taken soon. Will be interesting. Must look up Jeffrey Dach. Good luck with everything and do report on any news.😊xxSimba

[Simba1992 in reply to Kate23]

Here is another interesting book you can get on amazon. " Niacin the real Story" I think the author was Abram Hoffer.

[Wyaatch in reply to Simba1992]

Hello Kate23, I’m in the US and wondering if you or anyone could help me with a link as to where to order in the US. How many choices are there besides the 670 one you bought? ( in the dark) Wyaatch

[Simba1992 in reply to Wyaatch]

Hello Wyaach,

I think perhaps ypu were addressing the question to me? Since I was the one who has bought the device? I have a good link in the US for the device I bought but I'm sure there are lots of others. If you are interested I can give you the link but I think you must PM me since not allowed to promote products on the forum. All the best. Simba

[Wyaatch in reply to Simba1992]

Thanks Simba1992, I’m fairly new and will try to PM you. If I cant is there a link that’s just educational but maybe includes a few product names?

Thanks. Wyaatch

[Cherub198889]

I never heard of this before thanks for sharing. Interesting read. Here is what PubMed says

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedheal...

[Simba1992 in reply to Cherub198889]

It's really funny how little is heard about nonmedical treatments that have in fact had beneficial effects on Ra, the same can be said of the Vit.3 therapy(?)

[Cherub198889 in reply to Simba1992]

Seems like the "placebo light lazer" worked as well as the Red light laser therapy. Imagine shining a lazer on your joints instead of taking a pain killer. One less pill to take is always a good thing if it works for you

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

What did the studies show?

Studies showed that laser therapy decreased pain and morning stiffness more than 'placebo' laser therapy. Laser therapy also increased hand flexibility more than placebo therapy.

Pain decreased by 1.10 points on a scale of 1-10. The length of time for morning stiffness decreased by 28 minutes.

Studies also showed that laser therapy worked just as well as 'placebo' laser therapy to improve range of motion, function, swelling and grip strength.

Only two of the studies measured the effect of laser therapy three months after the end of treatment. The results from these studies indicated that laser therapy worked just as well as 'placebo' therapy after three months times.

[Simba1992 in reply to Cherub198889]

Does seem to have an effect on inflammatory mediators.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/240...

[Wyaatch in reply to Cherub198889]

Hmm , the article says no long term effect—at least the current tests say this. I’m wondering how long dumbs 1992 has been the therapy—this may be a good case study!

[Simba1992 in reply to Wyaatch]

Here is agood link.

lifegivingstore.com/orange_...

[Wyaatch in reply to Wyaatch]

Oops —that’s simba1992–auto correct malfunction.

[Simba1992 in reply to Wyaatch]

😊

[marie66]

Anyone tried the infrared massagers from lloyds pharmacy? Would they work in a similar way? Cheers M x

[Simba1992 in reply to marie66]

What are they?

[MissMinto]

Hi Simba,

Excited by your post and then a little disappointed when I saw the price! But if it does what it says on the tin then obvs worth it.

I know you like to do your research so would you mind explaining how the MiniCombo 670 differs from something like this?:

amazon.co.uk/Philips-InfraP...

Many thanks

[Simba1992 in reply to MissMinto]

Hi MisMinto,

There are three different penetration levels on infra red light. For treatment purposes the second penetration level is usualy used. This amazon model gives you only heat, which is also nice ofcourse but not as healing as the one more expensive. I'll look up a good link for you explaining the differences😊xxSimba

[MissMinto in reply to Simba1992]

Thank you Simba X

[Simba1992 in reply to MissMinto]

Here it comes!

redlighttherapy.lighttherap...

[MissMinto in reply to Simba1992]

Thanks Simba...think maybe I'll have to give this a go - do keep us posted on your progress X

[oldtimer]

I've done a quick search for scientific studies and it looks promising - especially if you are a rat!!!

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

arthritis-research.biomedce...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

The first article is most relevant to those of us with RD.

It's certainly been used for some time in OA and may be useful from the heat producing effect that reduces the pain (personal observation!), but I think it need a bit more work on whether it is specifically useful in reducing pain producing molecules or inflammatory proteins.

[Simba1992 in reply to oldtimer]

Only time and research will tell about proven benefits but here in between after the abundent studies already done, I personally find it quite interesting to try. No toxic effects only possible benefits😊👍🏻

[Pamak]

I am going to a demonstration of red light therapy next weekend so hope it does help

[Simba1992 in reply to Pamak]

Please report back!! Would love to hear what you learn.😊🙏🏻xx Simba

[Pamak]

Hi, I went to the red light demonstration today . Evidently it stimulates the immune system so not really suitable for auto immune diseases when we take immune suppression drugs. However it may help with pain relief but not very convinced so didn’t purchase anything 😥

[Simba1992 in reply to Pamak]

Sorry that you were disappointed But then again I am a bit cinfused. All the studies I have read has been on RA pain too and I'm sure these people have been on immunosupressants. Never been mentioned as a problem?! Actually I believe there is some kind of misunderstanding on this point. Doctors are recommending all kinds of natural immune system boosting vitamines, diets, minerals why would they do this if you were supposed to suppress your immune system in every way? You need a immune system that can take care of infections. It has actually been shown that different immune system supports have made the immunosuppressive meds more efficient. Red light is very natural and gives you energy on many levels. Do ask your doc! XxSimba

[Pamak in reply to Simba1992]

Thank you . I was dissapointed and I wasn't the only one to ask the question about RA. A friend of mine has a wand so might ask her if I can try it for awhile.

I was a little sceptical about it when the demonstrator said to use it on a fracture but didn't warn people not to do it until the fracture had been realigned. Very dangerous use [ that's from me being a medical person]. I will think on it as I do use complimentary medicine too