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Yesterday was my annual transplant program check-in. Here are some highlights for those who may be curious what that entails.

First up, unfortunately, is the weight and height check. This is one of the two the most dreaded moments for me. I wore the lightest clothes I could find. I've threatened to go commando, but I didn't. Every ounce counts. Especially, when you were kept off the transplant list until you reached a magic number, not based in science. At 224 I was in the same morbidly obese category as someone who weighed 1200 pounds. Somehow I lost an inch in height. I don't think I actually did, but that's what they put on my chart. I guess I should have stretched first! I was under their magic bar of 200 though. I was 181 at home and 186 at the hospital.

Next was the usual re-telling them every bit of demographic information over again. My assigned transplant coordinator was busy with her previous appointment, so I had a sub this time. Even though I had to do an electronic check in - 5 times for the 5 different appointments. My name, address, birthdate, employer, insurance and all of that minutia hasn't changed in the past year. The constant repeated questions is very annoying to me, but I smile and answer to prove "compliance."

Next was the hospital social worker and more duplicate questions. What insurance do I have, do I have paid leave and disability insurance, who are my caregivers who can drive me to the many appointments- pre and post transplant. No changes there either. Then comes my third most dreaded moment - the depression and anxiety assessment forms. I refuse to lie on these forms. As a result I have to explain, that while I have no suicide plan, and am not suicidal, I do have frequent thoughts of being better off dead. I point out that MANY people have chosen death over living with an ileostomy. I point out that my multiple, serious health conditions leave me tired, the MJ reduces my appetite, and more. I remind them I have a very stressful job and that we are in the middle of the most stressful and complex work ever. I work in Medicaid and CHIP compliance for my state. After years of the PHE continuous coverage requirements and the daily changes with the unwinding, we will have record breaking audit errors due to the continuous policy and procedure changes. I made it through the quizzes and explanations. I am grateful for my previous therapist who spent a hour on the phone with the social worker 3 years ago explaining that health related depression was normal and that I was not a risk for suicide or non-compliance with transplant requirements. The program is really big on "compliance" and not wasting kidneys on people who won't take care of them.

Next was the pharmacist. I had to bring all my bottles in a tote bag. Even though I updated my med list online - 5 times - to check in before the appointments. Even though I have a list of my meds and doses. Even though I know my meds. She has to compare the bottles to what's in the chart. Then she goes through the post transplant medication, what each pill is, what they do, how they will change. This is the forth time I've had this presentation. I've been taking daily meds since I was a teen. I know what all my meds are for and what they do. But I nod and smile and explain how I load my pill box and take my current medications.

The nephrologist is next. It's a new one. I think they like to rotate what team nephrologist you see so they can all meet the folks on the list. Gratefully, this one had actually read my chart before coming in the room and knew and believed my CKD was from ileostomy dehydration. It was the first time I didn't have to play, "educate the doctor." I usually have to explain the difference between an ileostomy and a colostomy and more. We discussed the pros and cons of me going inactive on the list. Since starting Mounjaro 8 months ago my eGFR has been creeping higher. It's impossible to know if the MJ is helping the kidney function or if the ~30 pound weight loss is the reason.

A research intern popped in next. She's helping a Dr. who is doing a study on web based communication and education materials about choosing to accept a kidney. Sometimes you get offered a high risk kidney. They are creating a website to share information about Kidney Donor Profile Index (KDPI) stuff in an understandable way. I said, sure, I'd be happy to be in a focus group and review proposed language.

Finally, my transplant coordinator, nurse Patty, was free. We talked about me going inactive since with a eGFR of 30 I don't need a donated kidney to live - today. If I go inactive I will continue to accrue time on the list, I don't have to give quarterly bloods for matching, and I don't need an annual heart stress test. My case will go up to the committee for discussion in two weeks and she'll get back to me.

My final appointment of the day is the most dreaded, most horrible of them all. I hate the dietician and I'm sure she feels the same about me. She was trained in old school, calories in, calories out theories. She doesn't understand the carbohydrate-insulin model. She also uses the same calorie charts she was given in school. So, she constantly tells me to eat more food, 2000 calories a day, and lose more weight. If I ate the calories she suggests I would have been 300 by now, not 182. She assumes I am lying about what I eat, like most fat phobic people assume, that fat people must sit all day eating bon bons and chocolate. She assumes I'm lying about exercise, because if I really went to the Y five nights a week for 2-4 hours I should be skinny like her. Since she exercises less than I do and is skinny I must be lying. She wants me to drink high calorie ensure products since I'm nutritional malnourished. Which is true, because I can't take any multivitamins (they are all encoated and come out my bag whole) and I can't tolerate veggies, I am a fat, yet malnourished person. The calories in the chewy vitamins are too high and are bad for teeth.

Anyway, since I'm requesting to go inactive, the dietician suggested to nurse Patty that we just skip my appointment. My husband almost laughed aloud when I quickly said "sure." All my anxiety, fear and anger over how she treats me disappeared instantly! By then it was 2:30 so we headed to an overpriced, but very yummy restaurant in downtown Minneapolis, just a few blocks from the hospital. As usual I only ate half my sandwich and may be 10% of my chips.

I was able to get on the transplant list because my eGFR had gotten as low as 7. NO ONE thought it would be at 30 three years later. My fistula is over 2 years old and has never been tapped. When the time is right to go active again, it will take a few months. I'll have to have another day long check-in like yesterday and a heart stress test and a committee review. I already keep all my other tests up to date, dentist, pap, mammogram and more. In the meantime I'll be still accumulating time on the list. Hopefully I'll be at the top when the time comes for a kidney. Avoiding dialysis would be a big WIN, I'll be able to keep working, keeping my income and insurance.

Every transplant program does things differently. I'd be interested to hear how other folks have to check in while on the list.

Barbara

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Darlenia profile image
Darlenia

Appreciate the detailed report and glad your visit turned out good, including that meeting with the vapid dietician, lol. My hubby and I are a bit older than most - my hubby went into kidney failure a few months before his 70th birthday. My hubby's initial meeting with the transplant team was very short - no more than two hours - and occurred during the Covid shutdown (Fall 2020).

The center's transplant surgeon had my hubby's nephrologist's referral in hand and all his labs (most were dialysis related) were on MyChart. The transplant surgeon observed him walk down the hallway towards his office where his weight, possibly height, and blood pressures were taken. The surgeon noted his age, quickly reviewed his medical records, and asked if he had family that could possibly donate. (I was ruled out due to age.) He also asked if my hubby would considered a kidney that might have a history (prostitution, drug use, etc.) or other conditions (age, infections, etc), and my hubby quickly agreed to consider them. The surgeon briefly outlined the type of dialysis he preferred his patients to use, how transplant surgery is performed using an illustrated map of the body, and then gave us a listing of all the tests that my hubby had to undergo to be considered a candidate. He informed us that those test findings would be pulled together for review by the transplant panel, that met monthly, I believe, for either acceptance or rejection by that panel. Referring to my hubby's referral letter, he reassured us by stating he also thought my hubby was a good candidate, but the panel's decision was what mattered. That surgeon then told us to get all tests in within a 3 month window or lose that opportunity. And he ended it by saying that my hubby could expect a 3 year wait if accepted. He then handed us a notebook expanding on the info he had given us. So...boom...we were ushered in/out the door in record time.

We really had to hustle to check off and submit all the items on that list. We had to do all of that during the Covid pandemic - when some routine procedures like ekgs and colonoscopies weren't done except in unusual situations. (My hubby didn't need to document anything from a dietician or a social worker.) Anyway, after getting the "green light" to be on the transplant list at that particular center, we quickly double-listed at a busier center further away and received a "reburbished" kidney a few months (not years) later. We are very blessed.

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barbara55109 in reply toDarlenia

Wow. Way less intensive. My intakes was all day, with all the sample people in the annual check in and even MORE. It's great he got a kidney so fast. 5-6 year wait here. So even if I didn't request going inactive, I still have a 2+ year wait.

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Darlenia in reply tobarbara55109

I'm very impressed with the work you're doing to keep your kidneys going. If you do wind up needing a transplant, consider accepting those that have conditions - it really cuts down on the wait time. Just remember, though, that not all centers have the surgeon with the skillsets and labs to work with them. Crossing my fingers that you don't have to even bother with any of this.

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barbara55109 in reply toDarlenia

Yeah, I won't need a perfect kidney. Give those to the littles who will spend a lifetime dealing with this. Even hepatitis has a cure these days.

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Way to go.... excellent on all the work you have done and LOOK ...GFR of 30. My word that is so fabulous. I hope you NEVER need a transplant and thatyou stay where healthy and as amazing as you are. Jeeper, I am so happy and proud for you. I feel like I have been with you on your journey.

My trip to the transplant center was all day, too. Test and meetings and I do not even remember them all. I do remember the 22 vials of blood and the 45 minutes it took and three pokes to get. I fought to be retested last summer and past and they let me accrue the time from my initial testing since they screwed up on my BMI. So I have three years in.

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barbara55109 in reply toBassetmommer

Great news. Drs rarely admit they made a mistake! I had to do all the bloods for the intake, but not at the annual check ins. My regular nephrologist, Endo and primary care keep my labs up.

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CKD2-4

Hi. My initial visit was pretty much as you described. Fortunately, my transplant hospital only does a recheck every two years - the only thing I was required to do was another stress test- no in person visit.

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Ziggydoodah

WOW...What a total contrast to the UK!! Compared to the hoops you have to.go through, our protocols are a walk in the park!! We have the treadmill tests etc and then a 15 min consultation with the transplant co-ordinator. Then a 5 min consult with the surgeon. Two days later I got a call saying, I was now active on the list. Then unless there is a significant issue with your health, you don't hear from them unless it's a call saying they have a kidney. I haven't even seen a consultant for 14 months. It's just the nurses in the dialysis unit. Wishing you all the best 👍

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barbara55109 in reply toZiggydoodah

That's all part of the first intake visit, not the annual visit - the testing and meetings with surgeon. How long is the wait in the UK. It can be 6 years in the US and they want to make sure nothing has changed, hence the annual check ins.

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Miss-guineapig in reply toZiggydoodah

Yes, all the moans we may have re NHS, I have to say that when we really need care it has been there for me. My GP has been amazing at supporting me with CKD. So good to read your comment Ziggy x

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Hily

I asked my Neph of I could have my vitamins and he said no . I said please give me at least Vit D and he agreed He gave me Alfacalcidol in gel, so that includes calcium. I now use spray vitamins. They are sprayed in your mouth so good absorption. Neph is not aware , and I have told him about the coatings to a nod but no change! I still don't think he knows what a pouch is!

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barbara55109 in reply toHily

Do you have a name for the spray vitamins? I've spent 30 years searching for a vitamin I could take. The encoated pills are the first problem. Then they have to actually get absorbed. I've lost so much small intestine I need monthly B12 shot. But B12 is the only one with a shot.

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Hily in reply tobarbara55109

Boots the Chemist sell these at £13 a spray but Amazon sell them a lot cheaper £7.

Better You.

Boost B12-tastes nice too.

I Also have just bought Vit D-mint by the same people, doesn't taste as nice.

Have a look on Amazon.

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barbara55109 in reply toHily

Thanks I'll look. The B12 won't absorb in me, but others may.

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Hily in reply tobarbara55109

Have you tried the injections? I have those every 8 weeks from the primary care, but feel I need more so the spray in my mouth, better absorption than tabs etc

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barbara55109 in reply toHily

I get B12 shots monthly. But that is the only vitamin that has injections - that I know of. Because I had two temporary ileostomies, and a failed internal connection before my final ileostomy I lost a lot of the terminal ileum, which is where B12 is absorbed from food and pills.

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Hily in reply tobarbara55109

Yes I had an ileostomy and a mucus fistula then a loop ileostomy and finally the pouch is made from the ileum . Maximum the haematologist could do was every 8 weeks. I'm sure I need more hence the spray in my mouth-absorbs better from there as it doesn't have to find its way past your stomach!

Better than the GP'S total refusal to give me any! Reason? They don't know what a J pouch is!

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barbara55109 in reply toHily

Sad. I'm sorry you can't get access to B12.

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Hily in reply tobarbara55109

My primary care is very poor. That is why my consultant heamatologist prescribed. He was great.

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Beachgirl32

I go today to meet again with everyone . I have an appointment with social worker. Nephrologist. Nurse. Transplant surgeon , dietitian and finance person . I don’t understand why have to go again . Right now I am inactive cause I had the broken ankle and sepsis but all that is better so after this meeting I hope to get active again . Instead of a heart cath they let me get a coronary ct scan I had to score under 100. Which I did . Every year I do a stress test cat scan abdomen ultra sound . Mammogram . Will let you know how visit goes .

Sound like you are doing great with 30 percent

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barbara55109 in reply toBeachgirl32

They love their repetition. I just keep smiling and nodding and showing I'm compliant. They do not like people who complain or argue. After my issues with the dietician I was so afraid she would argue I didn't deserve to live. All these people have a say if you go active again. Smile and nod! - I do have to keep up all my standard care. But all that work is done with my regular clinics and health care plan. The transplant program is out of network for me so only the transplant meetings and the heart stress tests are done their. I have to report the dates I have all my regular stuff done, mammogram, dentist, pap, and so on.

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Beachgirl32 in reply tobarbara55109

It was a rainy day my daughter in law drove me to my appointment. I don’t drive. First we met with social worker she was training someone . It was as suppose to be an hour visit it was like 20 minutes. Then the nurse came in going over stuff that they did a couple years ago what type of kidney would you accept I found out that I have no immunity to the hepatitis B one so they will not even offer it to me . I sign more papers then finance was to come in we sat there for awhile before she came in my insursance will cover it all only one thing if I needed a certain medication it not covered it is like 99! I had to sign that I would be able to afford it with no troubles. Her appointment was about 15 min the nurses was about 40 min dietician didn’t show up but I really don’t need dietician any question I ask the dietician at my dialysis center questions . Nephrologist talk was about 20 minutes he talk so fast and had a strong accent I had to keep saying Parton . Last person was surgeon which wasn’t until 1 I was done with everyone else at 11:30 so we went to cafeteria got little something to eat . Was back before one the surgeon was the best talk I really like her she explain thing really well she really explain about my high antibodies she pull out pictures of my kidney explain to me about polycystic kidney that it from a protein it was really interesting. She show me why we couldn’t drain my cyst the big one that cause me trouble. Are internal they are to hard to get to . She pointed out which one gives me trouble cause it so big . My kidneys are really large too she said if I had a living donor we could take out my polycystic kidney but with deceased donor they don’t recommend later on we could but not during the transplant .

I should be able to get active again but my family doctor has to send a letter when I’m done with this sinus infection and I’m done with the antibiotics you can not be on any antibiotics for the transplant so I have about a week and half left of antibiotics. With these meeting I recommend you always bring someone with you cause you get overwhelm with information and they can help recall it .

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barbara55109 in reply toBeachgirl32

Are you on Medicare? They just made sure I had work insurance. I'm not on Medicare. I'm sure my meds will be more than 99, they are more than 99 a month now! Is your daughter donating? That's nice.

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Beachgirl32 in reply tobarbara55109

No that one med that Medicare won’t cover yeah other meds in thousands but my Medicare will cover 80 percent and my supplement will 20 percent no daughter did not match me and she was overweight . My daughter in law will be my care taker cause my husband has mobility issues . I had six people try to donate none match none wanted to do pair of change.

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barbara55109 in reply toBeachgirl32

Wow. I only had one person offer, a 90 year old cousin of my deceased mother. I knew she'd never get accepted so I told her I was thankful, but no. So I wait. But I'm way less stressed out about waiting now that I've bounced up to 30. My eGFR was 7 when I first applied for a transplant.

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nonna70

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

horsie63 profile image
horsie63

I do my first annual on Mar 21. KU sends a video of what to expect and you are required to watch it prior. Seems it's same as the first time. I was on PD and it failed and sent me to the hospital for 3 months. I called my coordinator and made myself inactive while I tried to put on the weight I lost in the hospital - 10 pounds which put me in the underweight category. Luckily while on hemodialysis I've been extremely hungry and eat all I can. Lots and lots of pasta.

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barbara55109 in reply tohorsie63

Best wishes for going active. Expect a lot of repeat information. I've heard the same spiels 4 times now.

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valspia

Thank you. Very informative and love your attitude 👍. Let us know how you’re doing.

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barbara55109 in reply tovalspia

thanks

DEZIN profile image
DEZIN

Thank you, for taking the time to share. I go for my second appointment.

It has been 6 years since my first transplant appointment, l am getting closer for a donor ( with O negative blood type you wait the longest).

I appreciate the information, and hoping for the best .

Best wishes to you.

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barbara55109 in reply toDEZIN

Wow. No annual check ins. I'm A, so not the wait for O, but still a wait.

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