CKD- 3 - What 's considered heavy lifting.

[Dinapoli]

Hi, I am CKD stage 3. I don't do any exercise besides pull-ups 6 times a week. Is this type of exercise considered heaving lifting?

I will be very curious to hear what everyone thinks.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador]

Here is link to article from NIH on exercise and CKD. It is always best to check with your Doctor before you decide on an exercise program. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/159...

[Marvin8]

There is absolutely zero research on the subject of weight resistance intensity as it pertains to ckd. Trust me, I've put in plenty of time searching. And your nephrologist won't be able to refer you to any research that backs up his recommendation either. The only thing the profession seems to agree on is that you don't want to exercise a muscle to the point of significant pain the next day, especially if it risks rhabdomyolysis. Best to build up slowly. If you can do full body weight pull-ups that frequently without soreness, that's pretty damned impressive. My nephrologist said that if I can do 15 reps, I should be ok, but he was totally winging it.

[Whitetail66 in reply to Marvin8]

I was told by my nephrologist that exercising, including weight lifting, shouldn’t be an issue. I’m stage 3b, and feel tired and muscle fatigue a lot. I don’t currently do any weight lifting, but was a bodybuilder back in the day, and would like to try to resurrect this 55 year old body, so that I at least am not tired and sore most of the time. All my numbers are within range, so my nephrologist says that I shouldn’t be feeling this way from the ckd, and there may be some other issue causing my fatigue and soreness. Just doesn’t seem like my muscles recover like they used to. So tired of being tired!

[Marvin8 in reply to Whitetail66]

I'm 63, thin but cut. I can still do most of the workout routine I did in my 40's, but I'm not up to full body weight pull-ups yet. It's the RECOVERY that kills me now. When I'm done with a good workout, all I want to do is sleep...and my sleep hygiene sucks. Need to get that in order first.

[KidneyCoach NKF Ambassador]

Depends on how much you weigh.Lol sorry, couldn't resist that response.

Blessings

[NilsB]

Yes, pull-ups are heavy lifting. Whether you should do them or not is another matter entirely.

[Sophiebun11 in reply to NilsB]

I couldn't do one if I were offered a million dollars. That's very impressive to be able to do so. 🐇

[Sammi_n_Munk in reply to Sophiebun11]

Lol!!! 😂😂😂 Me neither!!

[Sophiebun11]

If your only concern with the workout is CKD it should be fine unless it is too draining on you.

If you have other health issues it could be an entirely different matter. If you are at all concerned ask your Dr.

Technically lifting anything over 100 pounds is considered heavy lifting. I'd imagine you weigh more than that. If not, please see a nutritionist ASAP, unless you're 4'8". LOL

😀😀😀

[orangecity41 NKF Ambassador in reply to Sophiebun11]

Iam 80 so I need to watch my exercises and do not want it to be too draining on me. Walking is a fine exercise for me.

[Okiksaints1955]

How old are you, what was your physical activities before, and what are you goals physically now.

Before CKD diagnosis, I run marathons. Then switch to lifting weights to bulk up (already diagnosed with CKD). Didn't like the muscle build so switch to low weights, more reps (lost lots of weights), then switch back to marathons at 50 (20 years with CKD). I stop at 60 because my time steadily rose (6H12M last one). I got old.

Switch to enjoyable 10Ks. And after my transplant last year, now just jogging and walking 7-8K for 6 days a week with 15 minutes calisthenics. I am now 66 with a bucket list of running 1 last marathon before I turn 75 (even if I run it at cut-off of 8 hours).

All under the guidance of.my medical team.

Point is:

1. Find your goal that match your capabilities.

2. Slowly build on it.

3. Enjoy

4. Switch whenever you get bored or uneasy. Or take a few days' rest.

Hope this helps

[Michael__S]

Marvin8 hit the nail on the head on that one, research are near non-existent; but if my medical team were to put restriction I would need to have a long and thorough discussion, not ignore them. Not that anyone suggested that but I think there is a risk it might happen.

Then it also depend what you mean by heavy training. I tend to think of heavy as in Heavy/Light/Medium and that would open a can of worm. The possibility to vary that intensity are limitless (tempo, volume, reps, sets, rest, intensifier and so on). The russian fighter pull-up program (reminiscent of Doug Hepburn 'A' program ) comes to mind strongfirst.com/the-fighter... and IMO is a perfect example of a persistent stimulus, it's unclear how CKD friendly it is but I would expect it to be compatible-ish. Is it the program your are doing by chance?

Personally I found that my work capacity is limited by the amount of protein I can process more than anything else so I had to pull back quite a bit. I am still discovering what I can afford to do in the long term but restoring my cardiovascular health and a bit of dumbbells complexes makes a lot of sense to me. Until I find something better.

[sparkie88]

Depends how much you weigh and how much you can lift. So short answer is yes it is lifting heavy weights. However you are not lifting yourself for more than a few mins or to the point where your BP rises to 400. The best exercise is to walk because it benefits your heart and brains along with kidneys and Evey cell in your body. However if you insist on push ups you should reduce the reps or don't over push yourself. When you over stress your body your egfr will drop a lot especially if you have a condition known as Rharbdo an acute kidney failure that can be fatal but reversal if caught in time. Not sure if it answer your question but always ask your Dr whenever you are in doubt