I dont have a gallbladder. If I eat fatty food too much I feel nauseous. I also bloat terribly by the end of the day like I'm 9 months pregnant. I've researched and it says try to avoid fatty meats cheeses cream chocolate ice cream bacon high fat milk and yogs. as whilst it doesnt harm it can cause bloating gas and diarrhoea and that's me to a T. I'll just have to stick with my low fat veg and avoid sugar. I'm not doing too well. Feel out of my depth and feet and ankles swollen bad and ECG tomorrow. Thankyou all for your help and I wish you all well.
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That's a pity basten. Most people with a missing gallbladder do OK, but perhaps low-GI eating will suit you better.
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I'm sorry to hear this.
I think you have too much going on, and it's stressing you out. Take a few days and clear your head. I have some suggestions, but I don't want to burden you.
How did the ECG go? Have you got the results yet?
(you asked me a question about blood pressure yesterday or the day before. Let me know if you still want an answer)
That's kind of you to ask re ECG. she said my gp will contact me and never said anything else. Yes everything is stressing me as I'm a big worrier. My BP is still about 156/92 . Gotta take still for all week. Cant remember what you said abiut your BP. Did it go down on the LCHF diet then?
I ate egg spinach yesterday for dinner. Prior to that I ate 1 weetabix and a lot of high fat cheese and after dinner a few strawberries my abdomin was again huge. So I'm cutting the cheese out. I was in a lot of pain for 5 yrs after gallbladder removal and rarely ate cake biscuit cheese etc icecream as I'd bloat. Steak made me nausea. I just find it all overwhelming but am keeping a record . Thanjyou
Yeah. My blood pressure has dropped a lot. Right now it's elevated (😱) but it's usually below 120/80 and often below 110/70.
Oh, my suggestion would be to try gradually increasing the fats. You may find you can tolerate more if you give your body time to get used to them, or at least you can identify the level you can tolerate, and work a diet around that level.
Hi just to let you know i had 7years of hell with the removal of my gallbladder i tried keto in January this year and i no longer have bloating or bowel issues yes cheese makes it worse just a little cheese also are you getting enough electrolytes i find magnesium can help with tummy probs hope this helps 
Yes 5 yrs hellnfor me. I am really not sure still what I should eat on LCHF still how much protein how much fat how much if any fruit and how many meals a day. I've got so confused by all people have said. At present I'm worried about trying it as my ankles are swollen high BP and I'm waiting results of ECG. I have bowel probs and have to take laxatives due to medications. Viscous circle. I'm glad its suited you. I keep taking bloating relief tablets each night. Do you take a magnesium supplement or get it from food? Theres a lot of salt in the laxatives and Gaviscon too. I've only ingested salt when I ate frozen and bad food. Never used it in cooking and never had an issue. I'm 71 now
You are not alone before i tried this diet i had high bp and ibs as we have no gallbladder we have to introduce fat slowly over the course of a month as you can upset your system so if you want try Ruled.Me.Com keto calculator you will have to put weight and exercise into calculator ect then it will tell you how much cal/protein/fat if your worried about carbs go between 20g to 40g then go from there /i take a magnesium supplement as i find its harder to get enough from food for sodium just a salt to all your food and to get potassium eat lots of leafy green veg you can have berries on keto /lowcarb i think its 1/2 cup a day also try not to worry about bp it goes down i was on my way to diabetes and 18st im now 3st 7lbs down im no long on that path and i only started 6 months ago forgot to mention i use myfitnesspal.Com also to just take away fiber in myfitnesspal and thats what your net carbs are it will make things easy to track what you are eating
Oh thankyou. Yes since gallbladder removed 5 yrs ago I was in awful pain if I ate fats . I'll look up those links and try my best well done for losing all that
Rule me.com says this doesnt exist for some reason
I checked myfitnesspal. It says low fat etc. I've been eating too much cheese again and have bloated. Too many nuts. I feel even fatter. I just have a big problem. My tablets make me constantly hungry. I'm just gonna have to try fruit for snacks not cheese and nuts.!!
You seem to be overthinking this, basten. I'm guessing you're also afraid to eat certain things after your previous unpleasant experiences post-surgery.
You don't need to measure or count anything. Apart from avoiding carbs (eg., Weetabix!) and adding some fat, there are no hard targets for macronutrients. You eat when you're hungry and stop when you're full. It really is that simple.
If you're still interested in sticking with it, do what Subtle_badger suggested (add the fat gradually) and focus on making your meals with natural, unprocessed ingredients rather than thinking about fat, carbs, and protein. And experiment! Don't think that you have to eat cheese just because dietdoctor.com mentions cheese - those food lists are things you can eat, not things you have to eat.
I have a vegan friend (she's the only halfway-healthy vegan I've ever met) who does a low-carb variant using lots of coconut products, which are rich in good fats.
Yes I am over thinking and quite scared actually. I was in horrendous pain on eating anything fatty after gallbladder out cheese cake choc biscuit croissant but I wasnt fat then. Now I dont eat them it may have corrected itself. I know we need bike to digest fats. Aprilbaby makes sense for me .
Bile is made in your liver, not your gallbladder. If you have your gallbladder removed, then bile is secreted continuously into your intestine. Ordinarily, it would be stored in your gallbladder and released in pulses; and while it's being stored, it becomes more concentrated.
In any case bile is an adjunct to fat digestion, not a critical component. Most of the heavy lifting is actually done by lipases such as HPL. Since you have an intact pancreas, your HPL output will be completely normal.
In other words, people with no gallbladder are perfectly able to digest fat. Just not as efficiently as most people.
I think you just need to decide what it is you want to do, basten. You do rather seem to be hunting for excuses not to do LCHF - but if you don't want to do it, then don't. No excuses required. As mentioned earlier, you might be happier eating a low-GI diet. The principles are broadly similar to LCHF, in that the aim is to minimize your insulin response. You include some fat in your diet and you dump "white carbs" as far as possible, but your diet contains a relatively higher fraction of carbs from root vegetables and similar things. Reading your list of painful foods, I suspect your bloating and discomfort is caused by wheat products, not fat.
Yes I do know where bile is made and where it goes. I have read many things over the years too. I also have a percentage of bile in my stomach which was told after endoscope along with esophagitis and gastritis but some bile in stomach is not unusual GP said . I haven't asked many questions on this site. Had a lot of nice replies. It sounds now that I am being a complete nuisance and yes it is a struggle for me to decide.. Perhaps you're right . But no as another person on here said he knows someone like me who has issues with bloating after gallbladder removal. I've looked that up too. It's not just wheat. My amylase and lipase was high when I had pancreatitis but now all ok. I was on Creon for a long time. I have never ever been good at making a decision and have listened to everyones stories. Yes up to me now thankyou
Hi Basten
My husband had his gall bladder removed some years ago and there seemed to be very little in the way of support and advice afterwards. He found it helped to take some digestive supplements and probiotics for a few months. Cow’s milk made him bloated, so he cut that out. He increased eating fat slowly.
If you think you may have a problem with some foods it may help to keep a food diary and see if you can identify anything. I can’t eat cabbage or cauliflower, amongst other things.
The fat that's being suggested as part of a LCHF plan has nothing to do with cheesecake, chocolate biscuit and croissant.
It sounds as though this isn't the path you want to take so I hope you'll find a plan that suits you and you can stick with
I know that!! I was just telling you that when I ate these things the pain over years was awful and I eventually had to avoid. Then suddenly last August I ate some chocolate and . No pain. I could even eat pizza nuts biscuit so unfortunately I started to binge eat as it was such a novelty. Now I am avoiding them due to obvious weight gain and a drug I'm on called Mirtazapine which increases hunger and causes weight gain
Sorry, my misunderstanding That's something else for you to battle with; the medication
I don’t have a gallbladder and LCHF has changed my life. This time last year I joined this group and this time this year I am 16kgs lighter, gluten free, running, paddle boarding, wearing clothes in sizes I thought were behind me forever. Don’t give up!
That's great news very reasuring that lchf eating plan has worked for you, I'm still struggling to make it work for me, I have a grumbling gallbladder so I need to keep an eye on what I eat
I am also following gluten free as I have hashimoto's thyroiditis, but I'm still not seeing any weightloss.
Reading your post has cheered me up and given me hope that lchf can work, so I'm off to have some yoghurt and a few blueberries for lunch and plan a lchf dinner for tonight.
Thankyou for your inspiration.
Xxx
There is a theory that low fat worsens gallstones.
dietdoctor.com/gallstones-a...
Thank you so much for posting this article, one time when I was admitted to hospital with excruciating gallbladder pain I was asked by a very caring anethatist if I had ever been on a very low fat diet, I said I had and managed to loose 4 and a half stones on low fat, he said this is probably how I got gallstones in the first place.
After hearing this I returned home and started slowly introducing fast back into my diet, after many more gallbladder pain problems and trips to A&E over about a year, I am now eating no low fat foods and including full fat yogurt and cheese in my diet, I still have a grumbling gallbladder but thankfully no hospital visits for a couple of years now.
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That's really interesting. Yes I've read too that too little fat can cause gallstones. !!
You had a wise anaesthetist
I am very thankful for his insight, I was able to go home and do some research before I started eating fats again.
I started slowly but still suffered lots of gallbladder pains but it was worth it I think.
Xxx
It's getting the best balance, isn't it? At least it gave you confidence to try
Oh yes definitely gave me confidence that introducing fats slowly is the best way for me.
Xxx
Hi, basten
I don't have a gallbladder.
I eat Medium-Carbohydrate, Medium-Fat, including fatty meats cheeses cream chocolate ice cream bacon and full-fat yoghurt. I do get a little gas. My ankles are now less swollen.
I have lost 35kg.
As others have said - moderation, and change your diet gradually.
Oh ok thankyou. Perhaps my swollen feet and ankles will go as I try to lose weight. I do eat some fruit and medium carbs
That's very reasuring to hear that you have managed to loose 35kg by following moderate fats and changing gradually.
Which carbs do you eat now, and how often ?
Xxx
Now I eat Buckwheat Muesli and two bananas for breakfast, and, usually, three jacket potatoes a lunchtime.
My sister is in the same place re gall blader and how she feels when she eats too much fat. I think HFLC may not be right for you. Maybe look at other groups on here as an alternative. I personally find the Weight Loss NHS one really good. Lots of good ideas and no extremes. Like anything no one size fits all. Don't give up, keep trying and in the end you will find something that suits you. I eat less carbs but cannot do the fat thing so eat more of the other food groups - that works for me but not for others. Good luck!
basten• in reply to
Thankyou. Yes maybe your right. I dont mind sardines or liver or sometimes salmon or once in while piece of lamb. Have you followed the NHS one? If so have had any success. I dont eat bread or rice hardly at all and just veg etc and fruit.
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That is pretty much what I do - the NHS one. No extremes and seems to suit me, my body and my mentality. Depriving myself of something just make me want it more so a little bit of something works well for me, then the rest of my food is healthy but varied choices.
Subtle_badger• in reply to
The NHS diet is pretty extreme, if you ask me. Cutting fat out so you can't even eat whole foods and replacing the fats and oils we have been eating for millennia with seed oils that are produced in factories with the aid of petrochemical solvents and extreme pressures and temperatures.
It only seems balanced, because they have been pushing the low fat message for more than 40 years, so we don't see it as extreme. In that 40 years we have gone from 1% obese to to more than 30%.
But yup, cutting back on grains is extreme. 🤨
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I am a great believer in balance and I don't adhere to their low fat bit as I believe fats are good for us, I just cannot do LCHF as it doesn't suit me. But know what you mean about the low fat message when we should be concentrating on sugars more.
Subtle_badger• in reply to
That's great. You are probably eating like your grandparents or great grandparents did.
But it is not the NHS diet.
basten• in reply to
Sorry have you lost much weight .? May have already asked you. If so what have you cut back on.
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I have lost a stone so far. I have cut back basically on hight GI carbs and sugar and replaced with protein and fruit and veg. So less bread, white rice, white pasta etc and if I do have them it is the brown or wholewheat version. Sugary snacks are just out completely apart from a piece or two of dark chocolate.
Your diet doesn't seem far from mine. I have cut out bread, rice, pasta and all grains, starchy veg and most fruit.
You might be just a tweak away from being LCHF.
(when I say fruit, I mean the sweet ones. I eat a few berries, and all the fruits that we call vegetables like tomatoes, courgette, aubergine etc.)
No I cant do the full LCHF . But will stick to avoiding the rice etc. Never ate much of it anyway. Just some sweet potato.
I read this on Dietdoctor and I'm on BP meds and BP I'm monitoring all week and is high. Doctor hopefully ringing me in week as my ankles are still swollen.
On Dietdoctors site :-
"If your blood pressure is high despite medication you should not take extra salt or bouillon. Doing so could raise the blood pressure even higher, and it is not wise to risk that."
I've been eating too much cheese so that's gotta stop.
Yeah, I think it is possible for some of us to eat too much cheese, even on very low carbs.
I add salt, but that's because I seem to need it. As I think I have mentioned, my blood pressure has settled back near ideal. 😌
I also don't have gallbladder, but I can eat everything on your list. Maybe there is another reason for your issues.
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