Vaccines

[Matt2584]

Hi folks,

This post might not be about healthy eating but is about health in general.

Now, there are people out there who are sceptical to the safety of vaccines. Some say they are absolutely safe and some will say they are a danger. I would be one of those to say that they are a danger.

Some people will tell you that if vaccines didn't exist then half of the population would have been taken out by polio or some other threat. Maybe more than half.

Some folk will tell you that vaccines are unsafe because of the toxic ingredients in them such as Mercury, a heavy metal and known neurotoxin.

One of my friends was saying not too long ago that they have done research on vaccines before and it turned out that the whole theory about them being unsafe is flawed information.

Some of you know that I cannot abide Aspartame. A chemical sweetener that is used in diet drinks and other foods and what I have read about aspartame is that it is unsafe. Aspartame can lead to a multitude of health problems including brain tumours.

I am a survivor of 2 brain tumours.

So when I first read up on Aspartame and health problems including brain tumours, I put two and two together.

Now, I know I cannot actually prove that aspartame is the reason behind my tumours but I can take a wild guess.

So, back to vaccines. The thing I think about is if our foods are tainted with various chemicals, chemically-sourced-oils (such as rapeseed oil), carcinogens, trans fats and many other things that can harm us, as well as aspartame... salads are doused in bleach (thanks Jerry for your post :D)... Crops are sprayed with pesticides including Glyphosate (Which the World Health Organisation has said is a probable carcinogen)...All of these things that are detrimental to our health, then how can people sit there and say that vaccines are completely safe?

I would think... and I'm just using my OWN thoughts here... but I would think that there MUST be something dodgy about vaccines as well.

As I said earlier in the post, I see vaccines as a danger.

I no longer get the flu jab no more and have lost all faith in the pharmaceutical industry completely.

"Let food betty medicine and medicine be thy food"

And that quote is not suggesting that a microwave lasagne is going to treat your cough :).

[Matt2584]

"betty medicine"

That's supposed to read "be thy medicine".

Sorry.

[Zest in reply to Matt2584]

Hi Matt,

You can always edit your post if you want to - it's the button that says 'more' and then you click on 'edit' and you can make the edit - an option if you want to.

Zest

[Matt2584 in reply to Zest]

Thanks for that, Zest:).

And yes, I did think about editing the post once I had posted but then thought I would leave it as it was. It was getting late when I originally posted so couldn’t be bothered to spend a few seconds more altering it :).

[Fran182716 Prediabetic]

I am concerned about some of the ingredients in vaccines but would not stop having them. My dad and auntie both contracted polio as teenagers in the 1930s. Dad never got back the use of his right upper arm (had his shoulder surgically fixed so he could still use his hand) and auntie walked the rest of her life with callipers and walking aids. I’m grateful for that vaccine. I’ve also had a version of swine flu about 18 years ago which was awful, I have the flu vaccine every year now and it’s not just for me, I work with people who are frail, vulnerable and sometimes immunocompromised so would not want to pass on anything to them. There is always a little niggle of worry though when I sign the consent form that there is a tiny chance of serious reaction. I go ahead with the vaccine because the probability of me getting flu is so much higher than the probability of problems with the vaccine, but It would be lovely if they could find a way of making them 100% safe.

[Matt2584 in reply to Fran182716]

Like with all things, vaccines, foods, cosmetics and so on, why must they be tainted?

Is there any real need for it?

[HOBIEONE in reply to Matt2584]

I had a phmonia jab & guess what I got, I passed it on to my wife & my 3yr old son. Never again (we thought we had lost him) Talk about being happy ?

[Matt2584 in reply to HOBIEONE]

Sorry to hear about that but I’m glad that you never lost anybody.

[HOBIEONE in reply to Matt2584]

My 3yr old son was blue lighted up to the Freeman hosp & I was in the back of the Ambulance with him, 6 Drs looked at the X-ray of 1 lung full & other 3 quarters full ! They put a 25mm tube in his back to drain the ---- out. I was there when the sisters took the pipe out & pulled the stiches tight. The staff where brilliant & I am not kidding ! He is now 6ft 3inches & very fit.

[HOBIEONE in reply to HOBIEONE]

My head was in bits when I saw the tube come out. I thought how does he not breath through there ? I will stick to Electrics.

[Matt2584 in reply to HOBIEONE]

Wow, your son went through quite a bit by the sounds of it and at a young age too.

I’m glad to hear he is in good health now :).

[HOBIEONE in reply to Matt2584]

I was 3 when I got diagnosed T1. My parents must have been through it too. I drink lemon every day & have only had 1 flu vaccine. ?

[Matt2584 in reply to HOBIEONE]

Nature is better than pharmaceutical meds.

What is T1, by the way?

Sounds to my like the first Terminator movie :).

I know it’s not that though.

[HOBIEONE in reply to Matt2584]

There are 2 types of Diabetes T1 (which your pancreas does NOT work & T2 which can be sorted with lots of effort. After more than 56yrs of T1 I have had lots of experience with it. Good luck to anyone who is trying !

[Cooper27 Administrator]

I'm not convinced vaccines are 100% safe, but I think it's one of those things where the benefit outweighs the negatives. The principles of vaccinations stem from homeopathy, so I find it funny that people often opt for homeopathic alternatives over the vaccines

I would usually go for the major vaccines, but I don't opt to get optional ones like the flu jab, although my partner does. I've been bedridden with flu, with him having to watch out for me before!

[Cooper27 Administrator]

The whole point of vaccines is that they contain small amounts of viruses, as that's how you build immunity to the virus. I wouldn't call it contamination if it's deliberate

As I've mentioned, this practice has been around for millennia in the form of homeopathy, using very dilute forms of dangerous/toxic substances in harmless quantities, in order to build immunity.

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

But is it REALLY to build immunity?

I’m with James on this one.

You say the whole point of vaccines is that they contain viruses to build up immunity and so do many others and that is because that is what they have been told but this does not mean that people should believe it.

I certainly, don’t. Not any more. I don’t trust the pharmaceutical industry at all.

And according to alternative media, Bill Gates is all for vaccines as it’s one of the best ways of ridding population.

But I would probably be seen as a nut job for believing something like that.

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

If vaccines don't build immunity though, how do we explain the abolition of polio? Or why my partner (who gets the flu jab) didn't catch the flu I caught last year?

The argument made here was that vaccines are bad for us because they contain trace amounts of viruses, but that's not a secret, they're supposed to contain viruses.

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

I got the flu jab 3 times in my life and after every one of those jabs the area swelled up and I had the flu. So it then made me think “So much for protecting me against flu then”.

It’s not just that vaccines contain strains of viruses, they contain more than that... known neurotoxin, Mercury, for one.

On the Headway community I am a part of on HU, I posted something about vaccines and a member of the community also does not trust vaccines and believes that it was because of vaccines that gave him his brain injury.

I know these are all just theories and can’t really be proven by me or others in denial but why is it that the pharmaceutical industry (who earn trillions) are expected to be trusted?

I’m a simple person, I try to lead a simple life, I believe that everything we needed to survive was here on planet earth right from the very start.

I don’t believe viruses can pop up from virtually nowhere and think most viruses are man-made, just like coronavirus.

[Activity2004 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

Are you allergic to anything in the flu shot/jab?

[Matt2584 in reply to Activity2004]

I have no idea.

I’m not one for being allergic to most things.

[Activity2004 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

Flu shots are made with eggs and other items. When you get a flu shot, the doctor may have you fill out a form before they can give the shot to you.

[Matt2584 in reply to Activity2004]

Eggs!?

Well that’s a first.

I have seen some images of flu shot packages before and none of them had eggs in the ingredients list.

But anyhow, if I am allergic to any of the ingredients in flu jabs and eggs are in them. It is not the eggs that give me flu symptoms and a swollen arm. I enjoy eggs.

And the doctor does not get us to sign out any forms before getting a shot.

You basically just line up and wait to be pricked :).

[Activity2004 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

They have everyone out here to do the forms and then stay for 15-20 minutes later to make sure that you’re okay before you leave the office/stores.😀👍

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

I have a contrary view: I think viruses are nature's way of trying to exert some sort of population control on us, but unfortunately we keep trying to defy nature, so it has to come up with new ideas...

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

So in other words are you saying that you think nature is trying to kill us off/manage the population?

There is a website called Natural News and there is a video they have made called VAXXED. It’s all about vaccines. I haven’t seen it.

NN has their own version of YouTube called Brighteon and you can watch a bunch of videos including VAXXED.

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

I've not watched the anti-vax videos, but I don't think watching one would be helpful for me

As for ape evolution, I think the reason we're so different was said to be dietary and because we started using tools. They have observed chimpanzees starting to use tools and hunt recently, so perhaps (if the world is still here) in 10,000 years they will be nearer humans. We never know.

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

But when they say “Humans evolved from apes” that suggests that apes once turned into humans over time and as I say, apes live amongst us humans.

If evolution sped up would that mean a chimp could give birth to a baby chimp and years later it turns into a human?

Sounds daft to me.

I was talking to my mum about this last night and she said that we have a tail bone because we used to have a full length tail.

Is that so or is that how we have been designed?

She says in hundreds, thousands, millions of years to come us humans will lose our pinky finger and pinky toe.

When I say “designed” that is leaning to the ‘god’ scenario.

I’m not a believer in god... well not in the god most people believe in anyhow.

Allah, Jerhova, Poseidon... whatever what-have-you, that’s all myth.

Tis interesting really.

People will say life began because of a god and others will say life began because of evolution.

I’m on the fence between them really.

A part of me thinks there is no concrete answer to it all.

I guess life is a mystery :).

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

Apparently the sensation you get when you're in a dream and you fall, then jerk awake, dates back to when we were apes and lived in trees It was a safety mechanism to wake us up if we were at risk of falling.

The thing to remember is that humans have been evolving for thousands/millions of years - if you wanted to scale that down to a modern day chimp born as a chimp and evolving in its lifetime, the chimp would transition in the blink of an eye - not over a period of years. But the way it actually happens is that each time a baby chimp is born, the baby is slightly different. Over generations, the differences become noticeable, but they're not noticeable over our lifetimes.

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

The thing you said about dreaming you are falling then jerk awake is interesting.

I’ve heard before that some people have actually died that way before but haven’t heard the ape theory though.

We might dream that fell off a skyscraper, or whatever, and before we hit the ground we jerk awake but for those that had apparently died had the dream they were falling, hit the ground and never woke up.

I know they didn’t actually fall or anything.

It may be related to adult cot death.

So what, we dream of when we used to be apes and lived in the trees and swinging around, like Tarzan, and if I misjudged my footing (in the dream) and fell off the branch I would then jerk awake?

All sounds interesting about evolution and you say that we have been evolving for millions of years but that is of course if you believe in the whole evolution concept.

Religious people, or most religious, won’t believe it.

They believe there creator put them there.

Which brings me to the ‘What came first, the chicken or the egg?” question :).

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

Do you know, I think scientists solved this one: the chicken had to come first, because the egg has a special coating that can only come from a chicken!

[Matt2584]

Actually, a friend of mine did say that they also think Gates is behind coronavirus or tied to it at least.

[Matt2584]

That’s of course if you believe in evolution.

Like when THEY tell you that humans evolved from apes yet apes still walk amongst us.

Or is it, “That chimp you saw at the zoo the other day, it’s great great great x1000 grandchild will become human one day”.

That is what the whole ‘humans from apes’ theory is practically saying.

[Matt2584]

Yes, I totally agree with you when you say apes are more superior.

They tell you that we are the intelligent species yet we are killing this beautiful planet.

Half the people in this world (stats may be a lot different to that but I’m just making a brief guess), half the people, or so, are totally unaware that they are, slowly but surely, wrecking the earth.

We take so much from the earth but rarely give back.

I like to think I am a pretty simple kind of dude so does this mean I will evolve into something greater one day :). Joking.

I think you are right and that humans will be extinct one day. The way humans are going today, we are heading into extinction.

[SenateurDupont]

My leukemia got me immuno suppressed. Each year I'll get my flu shot and I got two different vaccine for pneumonia. Now, I'll soon get the one for shingles. Thanks to Louis Pasteur, thanks for vaccines. For me, anti-vaccines theories are often in the fringes of conspiracy theory. Sometimes, I do think that people who dont have their vaccines can become danger to a society. Vaccines can be perceived as an induvidual thing, it can also be considered as a good thing for a community of humans. Here is a link that resumes what I think about vaccines. It's a site developped by Olivier Bernard, a pharmacist who decided to make some vulgarisation about different health topics... and he is really funny. thepharmafist.com/vaccines/

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to SenateurDupont]

I think I recall a case where a child wasn't vaccinated, because their parent had gotten nervous about the risks of vaccinating, but their child then passed something on to an immuno-suppreased child with leukemia. It's awful when your health/life has to rely on other people, when it's so preventable.

I hope your leukemia has remained under control for you.

[SenateurDupont in reply to Cooper27]

Thanks for asking! Yes it is under control, and I will do everything to let it that way, especially taking vaccines!

[Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27]

Where did you hear about this story?

[Cooper27 Administrator in reply to Matt2584]

I read it in the general news last year, but you don't have to look far to find the stories:

motherjones.com/environment...

euronews.com/2017/06/23/chi...

I think it's especially a shame for the children who have died as a result.

[Matt2584]

I like to believe in god in my own way, in a simple way.

I don’t believe in god in how certain religions tell it.

Pagans worship the sun. I prefer the pagan way better.

There’s a tv show starring Ricky Gervais called Afterlife and Ricky’s partner has passed and he is a miserable, sour person who sees his life as pretty pointless now and in one episode one of his colleagues at work asks him if he believes in god and he says “Which one? Zeus, Poseidon, Ra...” and this colleague says “No, they’re all made up gods, I’m talking about GOD, the supreme being”.

So Ricky says “Well you know all those made up gods I just mentioned... that’s why I don’t believe in your god”.

I thought that was pretty spot on :).

Yes advanced structures like Stonehenge and the pyramids of Egypt and the like.

It would be pretty impossible for man to be able to construct these structures like the ancient pyramids since they never had the right equipment back then.

If you see the film The Mummy returns, at the beginning you will see one of the pyramids being formed by man but people can’t go believing that is how it was actually constructed.

Some people would believe that, some people wouldn’t.

When you say your opinion is the human race could be an experiment...”, I thought at first you were going to say that the human race was an experiment gone terribly wrong haha.

[Matt2584]

According to David Icke, Alex Jones, Mike Adams and others, we are already in WW3.

The fight between the population and them... the illuminati, the 1%, the elite... whatever you want to call them.