Directed by Oscarยฎ-winning documentary filmmaker Louie Psihoyos and executive produced by James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jackie Chan, Lewis Hamilton, Novak Djokovic, and Chris Paul, The Game Changers tells the story of James Wilks โ elite Special Forces trainer and The Ultimate Fighter winner โ as he travels the world on a quest to uncover the optimal diet for human performance.
Showcasing elite athletes, special ops soldiers, visionary scientists, cultural icons, and everyday heroes, what James discovers permanently changes his understanding of food and his definition of true strength.
I will definitely check it out when I get the time, I've added it to my list on Netflix.
It's interesting what Schwarzenegger was saying about marketing - I was thinking about marketing on my walk to work this morning, and how america defines what "a man" must buy (big cars, guns, lots of meat). It's funny that the subject has come up twice in my day!
Or just plugged into ๐ the zeitgeist of the times, Cooper27? ๐ฏ ๐ ๐
[Crying shame ๐ how ubiquitous marketing unconsciously ๐ defines us, our preferences, & eventually our deep-seated beliefs. ๐ณ . . . Can become more & more difficult to discern โfact from fictionโ nowadays. ๐ฏ . . . A real struggle ๐ to get to truths ๐ฉโโ๏ธ โ๏ธ . ]
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Aside: Talk about spooky โsynchronicity, serendipity, zeitgeistโ, just heard Charlie Kaufman talk about โmarketing" ๐ฒ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ at approximately minute 28 [41+ minutes total video time] : youtube.com/watch?v=eRfXcWT...
It turned out to be a short documentary, so I squeezed it in while baking a cake for work this evening
It's an interesting documentary, they had a couple of studies on fat in the blood stream, cholesterol, and interviewing lots of athletes who found their performance improved on a whole foods diet.
They have a few guys who talked about their diet before going plant based, and I couldn't help noticing they were all about protein, regardless of the source before (e.g. fried chicken). It doesn't surprise me that they noticed an improvement from going whole food from a junk food diet! I found my inflammation markers went down just from cutting out processed foods, which is why that bit stood out.
I do think nutrition isn't a one size fits all scenario, and I'm glad to see these guys found something that works better for their body needs.
There's been a big rise in the amount of processed vegan food appearing on our shelves, and I would also love to see the effects that these have on the results compared to 100% whole foods.
Thank you kindly, Cooper27, for taking time to note your perspective on film. ๐ ๐
Agreed, rise in quantity of โprocessed vegan foodsโ that appear on our shelves isnโt necessarily a good thing โ especially in comparison to 100% whole foods.
I think of faux โveganโ foods (โplant-basedโ cheeses, meats, etc.) serving merely as โtransition foodsโ for people trying to wean off animal foods & are having difficulty (understandably) doing so. Unfortunately, I suspect these โfaux foodsโ can do โmore harm than goodโ if they become a permanent fixture in someoneโs diet rather than serving as a mere short-term (temporary) bridge ๐ toward 100% whole foods. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ๐
[Thinking of it as one of those โthe road to hell ๐ฅ is paved with good intentions ๐ผโ type of thing. ๐ฏ ]
Oh well . . . guess this is just one of those things we learn along the way in โthe school of hard knocksโ ๐ฃ๐จ . . . ๐๐จ . . . ๐๐จ
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[Perhaps itโs like a heroine ๐ addict trying to wean off heroine by substituting methadone ๐ instead? ๐ค . . . Resulting in merely swapping 1 addiction for another? ๐ค. . . That is, creating an equally vicious cycle โป๏ธ of trying to wean off (addictive) methadone after weaning off (addictive) heroine? ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ]
Donโt know whatโs a reasonable workaround for such tough, recalcitrant โaddictionsโ (food addictions. drug addictions, or any type of addiction) especially if cold turkey ๐ฅถ ๐ฆ proves extremely difficult (โimpossibleโ?) for us. ๐คทโโ๏ธ ๐คทโโ๏ธ
[In meantime, whole new offshoot (market) of pricey ๐ฐ faux (heavily processed/ refined) โveganโ foods is created under guise of being โhealthyโ? ๐ฏ ๐คญ . . . (โRobbing Peter to pay Paulโ? ๐ค ๐ณ ) . . . Just another means of companies (excessively) profiting ๐ฐ from high-priced, highly processed/ refined, highly addictive foods under the guise (marketing) of โgood healthโ? ๐ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ . . . Merely swapping 1 addiction for another โ swapping 1 profit-making product for another? ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ]
Hopefully ๐ค enough food savvy health โexpertsโ ๐ฉโโ๏ธ ๐จโ๐ฌ ๐ฉโ๐ซ ๐จโ๐ณ ๐ฉโ๐พ raise awareness of these pitfalls ๐ณ , so newbies, innocents, & the misguided/ misinformed avoid tripping into these types of hard-to-crawl-out-of holes ๐ณ ๐ณ ๐ณ . . . ๐ฏ ๐ณ ๐คญ
Sticking with ๐ฏ% whole foods (as close as possible) is a goal ๐ฅ โ an ideal ๐ ๐ ๐ .
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Agreed. I, too, suspect โnutrition isn't a one size fits all scenarioโ. Think when weโre tackling particular health conditions, we learn to tweak โn tailor our unique needs & tolerances to suit our circumstances. We โfigure it outโ along the way. (We learn ๐ฉโ๐ ๐จโ๐ซ what works & doesnโt work for us. And, learn to adjust/ modify as we go along โ as our circumstances evolve.)
Yet, a guiding principle of ๐ฏ% whole foods remains (& appears to be) an agreed upon ๐ค guiding light โ๏ธ๐โญ๏ธ๐ก ๐ฏ ๐๐ amongst numerous dietary โphilosophiesโ.
Have found T. Colin Campbellโs ๐จโ๐ฌ work ( google.com/search?as_q=T.+C... ) a sound, well-reasoned, level-headed โ๏ธ ๐ง resource in whole food matters ( nutritionstudies.org/?s=Who... ). His work seems to be (remain) a steady, consistent lighthouse โญ๏ธ of weโll-rounded experience/ knowledge that serves as a beacon of accuracy/โtruthโ โ๏ธ . Heโs held steady in the face of tumultuous seas ๐ of misinformation & โmarketing fadsโ โ bobbing vessels ๐ข ๐ณ โด ๐ฅ ๐ค tossing, churning, & spinning . . . ๐ฏ
Iโm glad you pointed that out about whole foods and processed vegan foods.
Whole foods would be a lot better for your health and performance rather than eating processed vegan foods all the time.
I thought this when vegan foods were soaring,I was thinking โAlthough vegan foods are healthier I bet there are some ingredients added that are not good for youโ... and I was right.
Processed foods from ASDA are typically chock full of sugar, salt, various chemicals and carcinogens which are bad for your health.
Processed vegan foods typically cut out the chemicals and carcinogens but you will likely find vegetable oils and rapeseed oils which can be bad for your health.
If you go to a shop and buy some oat milk itโll probably contain rapeseed oil, unless it is organic.
But if you make your own homemade oat milk, you donโt add rapeseed oil to it, thatโs ridiculous.
I know you have said the oil is to give you a frothy coffee but the way I see it, people donโt need a frothy coffee. People just need coffee that tastes nice and is good for your health. So in my view, get rid of the rapeseed oil.
Itโs like with chocolate bars bought from ASDA, look at the ingredients and it likely has soya lecithin in it.
Now if you made your own homemade choc you wouldnโt be adding soya lecithin in it would you?
My friend is on a mission, she is very close to selling her own vegan milk at the moment.
It is a totally organic, fair trade (when possible) milk that comes in a glass bottle.
She does another oat flavour with added cashew nuts to make it creamier. Naturally creamier rather than adding rapeseed oil which is no way natural.
Anyhow, she is going through all the fluff with trading standards and so on and then she will be selling her own organic milk. Mykind is what she is calling the milk.
So when you were saying you would love to see the results on processed vegan foods compared to whole foods, I think whole foods would be better to eat rather than processed vegan foods.
What I found interesting in Game Changers is that the roman athletes were all vegetarian and one big heavyweight lifter was saying that he gets asked how how he became as strong as an Ox without eating meat and he answers by saying โHave you ever seen an Ox eat meat?โ
[Coconut Oil & Sunflower Oil are the 3rd & 4th ingredient listed, respectively. ๐ฏ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ]
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Yes, serving as short-term โtransitionโ foods, these faux meats ๐ may serve a purpose of helping break long-term โfood (meat) addictionsโ for individuals trying to โbreak an addictive cycle โป๏ธ/ unwanted habitโ.
Yet, consuming a routine, steady diet of these โplant-basedโ burgers (or faux meat substitutes), I suspect is problematic โ particularly as youโve noted, Matt2584, with health-damaging oils being an ingredient: Rapeseed Oil, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil โ ๏ธ โ ๏ธ โ ๏ธ . . . ๐ฏ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Perhaps these types of faux meats might be viewed as brief, temporary, bridging" to get over the hump of โmeat-withdrawalโ? ๐ค
But, a steady diet of these temporary bridging foods may be just as unhealthy as a steady diet of the โanimal meatโ theyโre intended to imitate? ๐ค
[Robbing Peter to pay Paul? ๐ค . . . Re-arranging the deck chairs ๐บ ๐บ on the Titanic ๐ข ? . . . ๐ค ]
My goodness Kaufman, he is more emotionally naked than Woody Allen. How special to work in the media, be part of creating the narrative yet deconstructing it all at once. Very postmodern! Concerning Game changers, it definitely felt like it was one for converting the guys to veganism, especially with working around male stereotypes on meat and muscle, the blood and swearing and emphasis on American sports.... I suppose that is more glamorous and inspirational than the average ecologically aware, middle aged housewife with an auto-immune disease!!!! I'm just glad the message is getting out.
You just cracked me up ๐คฃ , Kellthebell. (Yes, both beloved โauteursโ ๐ฅ ๐ โ๏ธ are appreciated for their delightful โbare emotionsโ. ๐ โบ๏ธ ๐คฃ )
Spot on with โGame Changersโ. ๐๐. . . I wish ๐ โจ just โsticking with factsโ ( healthunlocked.com/healthye... ) was โgood enoughโ to encourage people (athletes/ non-athletes, men/ women, young/ old, โฆ ) to consider migrating to โ whole foodsโ & consider reducing ๐ (or even eliminating ๐ซ ) junk foods, heavily processed foods, & animal foods from their daily consumption.
Unfortunate that โjust the factsโ arenโt good enough & a lot of "stereotypes on meat and muscle, the blood and swearing and emphasis on American sports" are used (required?) to inspire folks to explore whole foods. ๐ณ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ . . . [Funny/ humorous in a โmacho/ machismoโ ๐ช๐ฌ . . . ๐๏ธโโ๏ธ . . . ๐ฅ๐ฅ . . . kinda way. ๐ ๐คฃ ]
Yet, I guess that type/ style of approach of movie-making ๐ฅ ๐ โ๏ธ does spark interest ๐ฅ ๐ค from folks (who may otherwise be disinterested in such dietary concerns) & to begin questioning what theyโre putting in their mouths at each meal & how food affects their โperformanceโ (as well as overall, long-term health). ๐๐ . . . I guess if famous athletes ๐๏ธโโ๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ โน๏ธโโ๏ธ & movie stars ๐ฅ โญ๏ธ ๐ inspire us โregular peopleโ to examine ๐ what weโre putting in our mouths ๐ multiple times a day, thatโs a good thing. โบ๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐บ ๐
Schwarzenegger talking marketing, he may have been referring to meat only there, and he is right in what he says, but marketing/lobbying is used with many many products.
Marketing/lobbying is basically lying to the public in order to sell their products. Itโs all about making money.
Some of the things I have said when referring to Aspartame, I and others would say it can be dangerous but you will find information out there that says Aspartame is completely safe... again marketing/lobbying.
There is information about the main ingredient in weedkiller Round Up being a notable carcinogen but you will also find info saying that is safe to... again Marketing/lobbying.
These corps lie in order to sell their goods regardless of what can happen to peoplesโ health.
There's quite a difficulty when it comes to food, as it's stuff we've been eating for millennia (or believe people have been eating for millennia).
For the most part, we started going wrong when scientists got a bit too involved (in my opinion at least) - making food in a lab, pesticides, fertilisers, dietary advice. When you need money to fund the scientists, & ultimately the companies they work for, that's when things go wrong.
Scientists and these companies and so on ruin the place and peopleโs health in order to make money... and what is money at the end of the day?... material.... money is pretty much worthless. As I say itโs about as useful as a used sock.
When you next go to ASDA or wherever, pass over a sock to the cashier and they wonโt accept it.
That is because they are brainwashed into thinking that money is an importance.... or is it because they could take it but they wouldnโt be able to use it cos nobody would take it when they try to buy something.
It is the system that we are stuck in that is the problem.
Thank you kindly for finding & sharing that gem ๐, Matt2584. ๐ ๐
[Laughed so hard. ๐ ๐คฃ ๐คช . . . Loved one of the 1st comments in the โCommentโ section (directly under video): "He's not stupid, .... just a liar."
"The Game Changers is . . . about the benefits of plant-based eating for athletes. The documentary follows former UFC fighter James Wilks who, while recovering from an injury, travels the world and talks with elite athletes who follow plant-based diets. Athletes interviewed include Arnold Schwarzenegger, Patrik Baboumian, and Dotsie Bausch." [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_G... ]
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The information/ principles about plant-based foods are also useful/ applicable to us โnon-athletesโ as well, Want2BHappy3. โบ๏ธ ๐๐
If this type of thing interests you, there are pages on the "The Game Changers" website that might answer common queries about plant-based eating:
Aside, saw your profile (& dreamcatcher avatar/ image), Want2BHappy3, & thought maybe this (Quality Deep Sleep: Physical/ Mental Restoration & Improving Healthhealthunlocked.com/cure-art... ) might be of interest โ maybe? ๐ค . . . Dunno ๐คทโโ๏ธ if itโll be of any use at all. Merely additional thoughts/ ideas. ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐บ ๐
Thanks for the information, but have you ever tasted any of these plant based items? I haven't, but I'm skeptical. Kinda like people saying "Taste like Chicken" when it doesn't?
. . . . . . . None of which โtastes like chicken ๐ ๐ ๐ ". . . ๐ ๐ ๐
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No, I donโt typically eat faux (heavily processed/ refined) โveganโ meat/ cheese/ egg substitute foods, if thatโs what you mean? ๐ค . . . Nor does anyone โ have toโ eat faux "taste like chickenโ foods. ๐
Thereโs plenty of other realwhole foods to eat, Want2BHappy3. ๐๐
The โVegan Foods for Lifeโ forum ( healthunlocked.com/veganfoo... ) kindly shares abundant tasty (animal-free) recipes & photos of mouth-watering ๐คค meals ๐ฅ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฅ ๐ ๐ ๐ฒ ๐ prepared from whole plant-based foods.
[Whether we choose to briefly (temporarily) or permanently (routinely) eat โfaux meats, cheeses, eggsโ, etc., itโs up to us. ๐ . . . Some view these faux foods as mere temporary โtransitioning/ bridgingโ foods for those of us struggling to wean off animal products (meats, cheeses, eggs, etc.). We donโt have to eat them.]
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Oh, The Game Changersโ website also has a Recipe page ( gamechangersmovie.com/food/... ). There may be some โwhole foodโ recipes there to tickle your tastebuds. ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐บ ๐
I would also like to add to what Kai was saying about plant based foods.
I used to have a terrible junk food diet when I was little and in 96 I was diagnosed with a brain tumour and had a second one in 98.
When growing up I slowly came away from the very sugary diet I had and I now eat more plant based foods. Not completely plant based, I am a flexitarian and lean toward more fruit an veg than meat.
Like with most people with brain injuries, I suffered from frequent headaches and this was while my diet was sugary still.
Ever since I started eating more plant based I hardly ever get headaches and when/and if I do get headaches, I would rather inhale frankincense essential oil whenever I like rather than swallow paracetamols where I can only take a set amount each day otherwise I could make myself unwell or even have an overdose.
Also, like people with brain injuries, fatigue is a big problem.
I used to get fatigued but again my plant based diet has helped a lot and also frankincense essential oil has helped out a lot :).
Aside: Donโt know if youโre familiar with Bill Gasiamisโ work/ podcast ( recoveryafterstroke.com/epi... ) at all, Matt2584, but there may be some conversations of interest? ๐ค ๐ ๐ ๐บ ๐
Your obviously more sensitive to sugar n items that are used in fast food cooking? I rarely eat fast food, too expensive n greasy. I have changed my way of eating, if I eat something off the list, it's portion controled.
Well, I donโt know if I am more sensitive to sugar but probably more addicted to refined sugar... well WAS.
Refined sugar is addictive.
Youโve heard โA moment on the lips, a lifetime on the hipsโ Iโm sure. Well that rings true for most people. And although that quote may be referring to cakes, I like to think it refers to most sugary foods.
You eat something sugary, you canโt stop eating it or find it hard to reject.
I came away from sugar pretty slowly at first but once I read that sugar has been compared to cocaine as it is addictive stuff and can cause health problems as well as obesity then I pretty much dropped it like it was hot.
I was not exactly an obese person but according to my Body Mass Index I was considered overweight... even though some people saw me as skinny.... but those are just compliments.
I saw myself as a chunky monkey :).
So I eat a lot less sugary foods now and more fruit and veg and have lost a lot of weight according to some friends.
Processed foods, sugary and savoury, condiments, medicines and fast foods all use refined sugar and to me refined sugar is the enemy.
I would also like to see this documentary and I would prefer to see it for free as well.
I have had a look around for freebies but you likely wonโt find it or you will have to dig deep.
These days itโs all about money and a lot of these services that provide online movies/tv shows to stream for free are being โlegallyโ closed meaning a lot of people have to pay.
If I manage to find a freebie (good luck with that one) I shall post it.
I think that a documentary such as game changers is not only an eye opener but also very important for the people to know about and therefore it should not be pay-to-watch it should be free.
It may well become free once the documentary makers make their money back on it. It costs a lot to pull these shows together properly, so they really can't be published free if it will make the documentarian bankrupt.
I can understand the makers of the documentary making money from it but when these services/websites close down because of virgin media has closed it down, then there is a problem. Virgin media earn billions. They donโt need us to be paying even further. We, the people, have to pay through the nose for too much while people like Richard Branson (vile creature that he is) evades taxes.
Utilities are expensive to get to people's doors, the amount you pay for that covers cables, maintenance, staff costs, upgrading the network, buildings etc. It doesn't leave enough money in the pot to make everything on the internet free as well...
As much as Iโd like the documentary ๐ฅ ๐ creators to financially benefit ๐ฐ from their well-deserved hard work, Iโd also like for those of us with โlimited meansโ to freely have access to life-changing information. ๐
[I guess the 2 are diametrically opposed โฌ ๏ธ ๐ โก๏ธ ? . . . ๐ค. . . We each have to earn a living from our efforts โ while at the same time โ those of us who havenโt means to pay would appreciate having access to critical information. ๐ณ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ ๐คทโโ๏ธ ]
Oh well ๐คทโโ๏ธ . . . In meantime we can โnibble round the edgesโ & โcatch as catch canโ from what resources are freely available:
I have seen it. My favourite part is when they compare meat to cigarettes. I was laughing at the "experts" who said smoking is safe and doesn't cause diseases. Made me wonder if we will do the same about meat in the future. Is worth watching, a bit preachy at times. Time will tell...
Thank you kindly for sharing you view, Idkwhattodo123. ๐ ๐
Yes, it is funny when we look back in time into the not-so-distant past, where "experts" put โon the recordโ that "smoking ๐ฌ is safe and doesn't cause diseases."๐ ๐คฃ ๐คช . . .
[How many lives did those experts derail by falsely reassuring smokers ๐ฌ that their habit was okay๐ โ in their โexpertโ opinion?! (What a tragedy ๐ญ . The unnecessary suffering, shortened lives, & grieving loved ones . . . all because ๐ฌ was pronounced (& promoted) as being "safe." ๐คฏ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ )]
Yes, a current parallel appears to be the consumption (over consumption) of animal products ๐ง ๐ฅ ๐ณ ๐ฅ ๐ฅฉ ๐ ๐ ๐ญ ๐ ๐ ๐จ ๐ฆ ๐ฅ in our modern day โ particularly as promoted by incessant โmarketing/ advertisementsโ bought & paid for by industries (that grow/ profit ๐ฐ from overconsumption ๐ค ).
Have been revisiting the explanations of T. Colin Campbell & strongly suspect Dr. (PhD) Campbellโs โwholisticโ explanations are closer to reality, accuracy, โtruthโ than other many other โexpertsโ. [Merely my laymanโs opinion.]
If interested, these free ๐ videos* may be of interest. Although long (1+ hour), Dr. Campbellโs perspective โmake senseโ in the depth & breadth of historical, medical, & scientific context.
[Therefore, the length of the explanations/ videos canโt necessarily be summed up in a snappy "sound bite" ๐ฌ that appeals to flitting attention spans ๐ or that require heated emotion ๐ก or โdrummed upโ ๐ฅ conflict to engage viewers attention. Nor is there typical, unsubstantiated arguments that appeal to viewers who feel compelled to โtake sides" โ๏ธ . . . ๐คผโโ๏ธ . . . ๐ฅด๐ฅ๐ฅ . . . or to dig in their heels ๐ ๐ even further . . . . . ๐ ๐คฃ ๐ . . . Instead, the lengthy, thoughtful explanations require careful, patient, attentive listening ๐ค๐ in order to grasp the depth & nuance of the concepts discussed. (Iโve had to listen/ re-listen to segments (multiple times) to comprehend the paradigm-shifting concepts being conveyed.) It is a โshift in paradigmโ from what many of us had been taught in our โschool daysโ โ and even what we currently are awash in (brainwashed in ๐ง ๐งผ ๐งฝ ) from relentless, ubiquitous marketing โ paid for & promoted by those who profit ๐ค at the expense of our health.)]
Free ๐ "The Game Changers" movie ๐ฅ ๐ฟ, thanks to Matt2584 & thoughtful, critical points ๐ค๐ญ raised by Hidden : healthunlocked.com/healthye...
They delve deeply into equally interesting topics (related & unrelated to โThe Game Changers" movie) that may be well worth taking the (near) 2 hours to view [Because of interest in the various topics discussed, I ended up watching the conversation โin segmentsโ โ as time permitted. For me, the full conversation was interesting, surprising, revealingโฆ And, the topics raised, stimulated curiosity & had me re-thinking/ re-questioning views.] Perhaps not an interview for everyone, but for those who are inquisitive โ deeply curious ๐ค ๐ญ ๐ญโ this may prove worthwhile. ๐๐
I was listening to some of Joe Rogan podcast on a long car journey, and this week they've been discussing/rebutting some of the info in the game changers:
They had some interesting points about B12 and the gladiator diet, as well as some good insight into the fight scenes from Joe Rogan. It is quite long, but enough to suitably confuse us!
Wondering ๐ค ๐ญ how we โunpackโ/ discern accuracy from inaccuracy, truth from fiction, hyperbole from understatement โฆ? ๐คทโโ๏ธ ๐คทโโ๏ธ
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Ditto for these snippets as well:
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The Game Changers Debunked by Joe Rogan? [15+ minutes]:
Don't worry, I'm not using Joe Rogan as a pinnacle of dietary advice the first video you've shared seems to be about another episode Joe Rogan did, and not this one with Chris Kresser. Maybe he will do one soon though!
No worries, Cooper27. ๐ ๐ . . . Joe Rogan appears to use the megaphone ๐ฏ ๐ฃ of his popular platform to explore his โpopโ views ( skeptoid.com/blog/2014/02/0... , reddit.com/r/videos/comment... , theatlantic.com/entertainme... ) amongst his huge, pop-culture audience of like-minded(?) followers. [Donโt think he (or Chris Kresserpodcasts.joerogan.net/podca... ) will be "sitting at the same table" of dietary/ nutrition/ science/ medical folks [such as a T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, Michael Klaper, Neal Barnard, John McDougall, Michael Greger, Dean Ornish, et al..] whose whole foods โspiritโ appear to be reflected in โThe Game Changersโ film.
The informed ๐ค ๐ ๐จโ๐ , articulate ๐ฌ , & well-versed ๐ speakers ๐ฃ๐ฌ in the referenced videos ( healthunlocked.com/healthye... ) may address your particular concerns (โB12 and the gladiator diet, as well as some good insight into the fight scenes")? ๐ค . . . If not, maybe querying those folks directly may result in a satisfying response? ๐ค ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I was meaning because Joe Rogan is a wrestler, so he gave some good insight into the work required to prep for a fight (there was a big wrestling section in the Game Changers). Chris Kresser explained how humans produce B12 themselves but that it is created in the hind gut, which is beyon the point we can then absorb it, so we poo it out. To absorb the B12, we'd apparently need to then eat our output ๐ it was interesting to hear that.
I watched the videos shared, they were interesting, but I don't know whether they cleared anythin up for me. I do think Chris Kresser is quite highly regarded amongst his community though, so while he might not sit at the same table as Esselstyn, ornish & co, he seems to be similarly respected from what I've seen.
Yes, CR may be respected ๐ ๐ , Cooper27, in his popular circles โญ๏ธ ๐ O amongst his community of followers ๐จโ๐ฉโ๐งโ๐ฆ๐จโ๐ฉโ๐ฆโ๐ฆ๐จโ๐ฉโ๐งโ๐ง of the current times.
How his works (scientific ๐จโ๐ฌ , medical ๐จโโ๏ธ , dietary ๐จโ๐ณ , etc. contributions) fare over the test of time (under the rigorous scrutiny of the legitimate global ๐ ๐ ๐ , scientific, medical, dietary community) will unfold over the historical ๐ test of time โณโ๏ธ . Truth outs.
Finally got around to watching the Game Changers last night on our Netflix subscription. Fascinating stories of plant food diet enhancing performance in high end athletes.
This is the second programme Iโve watched on a vegan diet, the first being Forks over Knives, another fascinating watch also on Netflix.
I became vegan about 5 months ago after a coronary bypass with the ambition of avoiding further heart problems, which are very invasive, and hopefully avoid cancer in whatever guise I might be susceptible to. I believe these are two issues that a vegan diet is widely believed to help with.
Heart health ๐ & keeping proliferation of cancer cells โ๏ธ โat bayโ are just 2 of the systemic improvements a WFPB/ โVeganโ diet is purported to help us with. ๐ ๐
[Chronic lifestyle/ dietary illnesses (such as wide spectrum (โflavoursโ) of autoimmune diseases: healthline.com/health/autoi... , webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/aut... ) can/ may also be helped by serious implementation of tailored dietary & lifestyle protocols. ๐๐ ]
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Believe youโve โhomed in onโ the correct/ best dietary (lifestyle) path for avoiding further heart โฅ๏ธ problems (& invasive procedures ๐ช ๐ ) as well as reducing/ minimising the probability of cancer cells proliferating โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ elsewhere. ๐๐
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Well done maintaining such a dietary change for 5 months ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ , willsie01! ๐ ๐ ๐
. . . Well done!
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[Think the earliest days, weeks, months can be the most difficult transition time for us? ๐ค . . . Think it gets โeasierโ, more โenjoyableโ as we go along, develop new habits & new favourite foods ๐ as our tastebuds ๐ change/ evolve โป๏ธ . As well as, the "side effect" of feeling (so much) better. ๐ค ]
[Light-hearted aside: Iโd like to get my 3+ hours ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ back! ๐ค . . . Whoever has the โtime machineโ โฐ ๐ก ๐ฎ ( flickr.com/photos/samoca/25... ) would you mind if I borrowed it? I promise ๐ค to return it promptly (& clean ๐งผ ๐งฝ ) . . . โบ๏ธ ]
Aside: How does one retrieve the mass of โfloating feathers of misinformationโ already spread wide & far ๐ ๐ ๐ amongst untold numbers of people?
Who โpicks up the feathersโ โ clarifies the misinformation, misdirection, mistruths ๐คฅ (unwittingly? ignorantly?) spread about?
. . . The people [the "useful idiots" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usefu... ส อส ส) . . ] whoโve participated in spreading the mistruths in the 1st place? ๐ค
. . . Or, the people who are already speaking โtruthโ โ๏ธ & having to restate, re-clarify it repeatedly? ๐คทโโ๏ธ ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
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Maybe, these widely popular podcast (video) hosts ๐โโ๏ธ๐ ๐ will eventually shine the spotlight ๐ ๐ โ๏ธ๐ ๐ฆ on legitimate, well-respected, authoritative science ๐ฉโ๐ฌ / medical ๐จโโ๏ธ / nutrition ๐ฉโ๐พ ๐จโ๐ณ ๐ฉโ๐ซ. โฆ โexpertsโ who know (comprehend) not only the โscience/ technical bitsโ (data, studies, etc.) but who know how to โtranslate/ explainโ those bits for us laymen to use (practically apply) in the context of our daily lives. ๐ค๐
Jon & Tracey Stewart ๐ซ chat with Rip Esselstyn [son of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn ( google.com/search?as_q=Dr.+... ) ๐จโ๐ฆ ] about their dietary/ lifestyle experience transitioning from animal foods to vegetarian foods to vegan/ plant-based foods in which they refer to "The Game Changers" film. ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐บ ๐
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Ep. 2: Plants over Politicsโformer Daily Show host Jon Stewart & his wife Tracey [31+ minutes]:
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the first video you've shared seems to be about another episode Joe Rogan did, and not this one with Chris Kresser. Maybe he will do one soon though!
Natural Recipe for Antibacterial Hand Protector. 
