I am just reading about the sad death of Justin Edinburgh of Leyton Orient from cardiac arrest. Whenever I see someone who is otherwise fit diet of cardiac I try to unearth the kind of diet they followed. For Justin this is interesting since according to IMDB imdb.com/title/tt0818421/ he was behind the "Football Saved My Life" reality TV show which is summarised as:
"This program aims to take a group of 15 dysfunctional men and turn their lives around through the medium of football. The men all face one or more present day life issues, including too much drinking, too much smoking, poor diet, anger management, depression, confidence and gambling. Ex-premiership footballer and self-confessed ex-alcoholic, Neil Ruddock takes the manager position, along with Justin Edinburgh at his side as coach. Using a team of experts including Dr. Adam Carey from Celebrity Fit Club fame (Nutrition and Diet), Angie Dowds from TV's The Biggest Loser(Personal Training) and Keith Power (Sport psychology and mental health), the team plans to get this group of everyday guys fit, healthy, happier and on the road to a better future. Celebrity football stars are introduced to give the "team" tips and tricks to help them on the road to their full 90minute match against ex-pros."
Advisers to this series promoted the Celebrity Fit Club Diet thedietchannel.com/celebrit..., which includes healthy meats, eggs and so forth based on the best selling book, the Fat Smash Diet which is explained at diet.com/g/fat-smash-diet
As far as I can discern after detox this plan advocated so-called healthy meats and healthy carbs. Of course I may have got Justin Edinburgh's personal diet entirely wrong.
Whatever this is a very sad case because he seems to have advocated on TV a lifestyle that should guarantee a long and healthy life. And then he dies, aged 49.
If there is one moral to this story perhaps it is IGNORE reality TV programs! Another I would like to add is that any meat, even highest quality meats will lead one to an increased risk of heart health issues.
if anyone has any insights that can correct this dietary lifestyle that would be much appreciated.
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An important factor regardless of diet is your genetic programming. As some people come from a family history of cancer, or addiction, or overeating, others will have a family history of heart disease, or even sudden adult death syndrome. I worked with a man whose father had died in his 40’s, and who was on warfarin himself for heart problems in his 40’s. He tragically died suddenly just before Christmas one year aged 49. I felt for his two sons. A healthy diet will make the best of what you have got, but a strong gene pool is even better!
Yes, there may be papers after papers scientifically prooving all this mumbo jumbo but that doesn’t mean you have to go along with it and believe it yourself.
We all have our own minds, we all choose our own paths, we shouldn’t all follow the flock as if we are sheep.
The gene thing is like saying “I got a brain tumour because my uncle had one”.
Well it is true that I had/still have a brain tumour but as far as I know, nobody in my family has had one.
Brain tumours, cancer, diabetes and so on is all brought on by what goes in your mouth.
Diet is a risk factor for many diseases - but not all diseases and its rarely the only risk factor. And a genetic pre-disposition is a risk factor too, but rarely a certainty, so its quite possible for both you and your uncle share that same genetic pre-disposition but only you are unfortunate enough to get the disease.
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This poor man only died a few hours ago. I may have read this wrong..but if as yo say he was an alcoholic, gambler, heavy smoker, anger management, and suffering depression..he might of had some health issues that you don't know about yet..
A neighbour of mine a wealthy businessman who was in his 30s,.would on most days run round hampstead heath.. I was in the communal garden often when he come back and said hello.. then he dropped dead when opening the door to his home.
Heart attack said one of my other neighbour's who was a doctor..
I have no idea about his personal life, including gambling, smoking. But as someone who was advocating helping people recover, then he put himself and his advisers on a particular pedestal.
Yes, I think we need to wait for the autopsy before we assess what factors contributed to his death, and allow his family time to grieve before we pass judgement on the poor guy.
Unfortunately heart issues are a big unknown - lifestyle influences them, but genetics play a huge part. Let's not forget the healthy, keen marathon runners who simply keel over some day because they were born with a heart defect that simply decided today was the day.
When you say “Keen marathon runners who simply keel over someday because they were born with a heart defect” how do you know that they were born with a heart defect?... because it was written in a newspaper article? Or it was announced on the news on TV?
There's a lot of campaigning around SADS ( bhf.org.uk/informationsuppo... ) so I typically hear about it on the radio. I recall one tale from a lady whose 20-odd year old son sadly was stricken while just walking along the road. Unfortunately the first symptom, is often when you drop down (it can be detected in a heart checkup, but they don't do them in younger people).
You can typically find stories on these deaths if you look for them. They will mention SADS and the cause of death, because it's part of the campaign.
The reason I ask about how you know about this is because there are a lot of blatant lies being made even by so called “professionals”.
I think most of us know that governments are prime examples of chronic liars.
So a lot of what I hear or read about from “professionals” I take with a pinch of salt.
I did look at the link you posted in the comment... for about 5 seconds.
It starts off by saying,
“Sudden arrhythmic death syndrome, or SADS, is when someone dies suddenly following a cardiac arrest and no obvious cause can be found. This affects around 500 people in the UK every year.”
“NO OBVIOUS CAUSE”
Then it goes on to say,
“We know that, in many cases, this is caused by an inherited heart condition and the person’s immediate family should be referred to a specialist genetics centre for assessment.”
“THIS IS CAUSED BY...”
So after saying that there is no obvious cause they shoot themself in the foot and say they know the cause?!
I would have read the whole article but when it said that I stopped reading.
It is a contradiction, yes, but no obvious cause means that in an autopsy they don't find a blood clot, arteriosclerosis, signs of electrocution etc. Which then leads them to investigate genetic causes.
I personally don't think it's a conspiracy, but I won't deny you your right to believe there isn't a genetic link, I've given examples, so will leave it there.
I'll be surprised if the autopsy is evet made public. I hope it does. I also hope someone with a better knowledge of the guy than myself will be able to contribute more detail on his diet. I assume he was physically in great shape, at least on the outside.
It may or may not be, but maybe we should give them a chance, out of respect. Due to his young age and relative celebrity status, they may wish to share his cause of death as a way to raise awareness of certain conditions.
Matt is right. The overwhelming evidence is that dietary choices affect risks of heart disease and possibility of attack. Dean Ornish peer reviewed work showing clogged artery reveral with whole food plant based diet for example.
You're talking artery blockages though, and that is not always the cause of heart failure or cardiac arrest. And where heart disease is genetic, diet can't reverse it - you're on medication for life.
“Heart disease is genetic”... that is what THEY tell you.
Have you read/seen the Shakespeare play Hamlet?
I studied a bit about Hamlet when I was in college, it actually speaks some truth as well when it was describing Hamlet’s uncle Claudius as a mildewed ear.
Thus meaning a rotten ear of corn.
Now imagine that mildewed ear in a field of healthy corn, all the corn nearby will slowly become infected and the infection will spread.
Similar to this ‘genetic’ thing and some other things too.
Mainstream media; TV, radio, newspapaers, websites, magazines... they could say how diseases are genetic and the rest of the public believe it.
People shouldn’t be letting these “professionals”do the thinking for us.
We all have brains, we all should use them and make our own minds up.
As for the “professionals” say, take it with a pinch of salt.
The thing is, I happen to know a few people with a genetic heart disease. One had open heart surgery just 4 hours old, the condition was inherited from his father. Another has had heart disease since age 14, and their siblings developed the same heart condition as children too. How do these people develop the heart problems, at such a young age? They weren't drinking, smoking, or eating a diet that should cause it.
True, I was learning the other day that if a mum has a high sugar intake during pregnancy, the baby will be born with a sweet tooth, so to speak, because the placenta actually becomes sweeter.
I agree, lowering fat is bad news. The body needs fat, saturated fat.
Skimmed milk has a more insulin index than whole milk. This does not surprise me.
People are lulled into thinking that skimmed milk is healthier or low fat foods, such as margerine are healthier but they are not and that is because mainstream media advertise a lot of falsehoods.
I do agree that skimmed milk is worse that whole milk, not least because it a more refined food. But as you know I don't think whole cows' milk is at all necessary or indeed useful for a healthy life mostly because of the increase health risks associated with dairy.
Similary milk is better than cheese, because cheese is a more refined product. Of course cheese at its base is a concentrated form of milk.
Can you show me any study that shows lowering fats is bad news? Of course when I am saying lowering I am not talking about dropping from 45% fat to 30% but rather down to 15% fat or less. This I would really be interested in.
I’m not vegan but I do agree that it’s not useful to be drinking cow’s milk. I prefer oat milk as it tastes better than cow’s milk and it’s healthier too.
I agree when you say about trying to unearth the kind of diet they followed.
When I was little I had a terrible junk food diet which consisted of a lot of sugar, fizzy drinks and hardly any fruit or veg.
In 1996 I was then diagnosed with a brain tumour.
I was told by my GP that the tumour was growing all my life.
I continued my terrible diet as usual.
In 1998, just 2 years later, I was then diagnosed with a second brain tumour.
I have had operation after operation but I am still here today :).
The 90s and early 2000s was not a good time for me at all, my last visit to the hospital was in 2010.
I slowly came away from all the sugar intake and felt loads better for it and looked healthier too.
Around 2015, I guess, was when I changed my diet around for the better and I am now eating less meat and lots more fruit and veg and have not been back to the hospital for nearly 10 years now :).
I belong to a disabled charity and there was a volunteer there, lovely guy. He was in his 70s and he died of a brain tumour.
One of the first things I was thinking was “I wonder what his diet was like?”
Even if I hear about a friend who has breast cancer, i tell them to eat loads and loads of fruit and veg.
I know they won’t listen because they are brainwashed into thinking that man will sort them out with technology like chemotherapy and so on.
Man is not the solution to problems, man is the creator of problems.
I have a friend who wasn't always in the best shape, he was always well over weight and one year he decided to change his diet drastically. He lost nearly 100 lbs in a year, and started body building, I didn't recognize him with his 8 pack abs. Anyways, long story short; during one of his work out routines of heavy weights his back started to hurt. I told him to go see his doctor (at the time we were engaged) and I worried he might be having a heart attack. He ate like a vegan at this point. Anyways, he did indeed have a heart attack. He had to have two stints put in, and the doctor told us this: Even if you look fit and fabulous on the outside, and even if you are eating a diet which would be seen as 'healthy' that doesn't necessarily mean that your insides are healthy. Even though he looked lean, and fit, and had changed his diet to being vegan, he used to be very over weight, and apparently even if we lose weight and look amazing and basically are an inspiration to others, we could still have organs (like the heart) that are damaged due to the bad eating habits of our past. So, who knows?
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On a side note, he (Justin Edinburgh) died of cardiac arrest, NOT a heart attack. The difference is that a heart attack is caused by blocked arteries. Cardiac arrest on the other hand has absolutely nothing to do with a blocked artery. It's caused when the rhythm of your heart malfunctions. Often this is genetic, or sometimes it can be due to an un-diagnosed heart issue, like Ventricular Tachycardia. Sometimes high stimulants can cause an arrhythmia (some drugs, and some things like Guarana seed extracts and caffeine).
I had ventricular tachycardia, and I had three heart surgeries (VT Ablation) to correct it. Mine was caused by too much stress, working two full time jobs, and going to the university full time while not sleeping, and spending too many days awake. The stress of doing that wore on me and my heart beat was very irregular. My doctors said if I let it go I would have died of Cardiac Arrest, and they told me the difference between that and a heart attack. Heart attacks hurt very bad, but cardiac arrest is painless. Sad to see him go from that.
So, really it's a very wrong assumption to equate eating any type of diet to what he died from (Cardiac Arrest), as the only thing diet related that would cause that would be stimulants. Unless of course he did have coronary artery disease that was very advanced, and I can't imagine that an athletic person as slim as him and eating as he did would have an advanced stage of coronary artery disease.
Update: Just read that he had a heart attack (first?) and then days later had cardiac arrest, while in the hospital undergoing treatment. Didn't realize he had a heart attack first. This is sad and confusing, especially considering he was so athletic. I hope they release the cause, whether blocked arteries or something else.
thank you WebMistress for your very informative post.. I, at the age of 69 didn't know that cardiac arrest was different from heart attack.. I think if you die in hospital the cause of death is given but no autopsy is had unless requested by next of kin.
personally I have never heard of man that died until this post was put on ( don't live in UK ) ..but have enough respect to allow his family time to grieve..and respect their decision to keep his health issues to themselves or give them to the media.
am a 100% convinced that applies to almost everyone on these forums. 🙂
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