Election

The trouble is some of the parties (all?) make loads of promises in their manifestos and vocally (eg Clegg and student tuition fees) but then do the opposite. So how can we trust them, HOW can we make a choice?

Maybe we must just choose (how?!) the person or people (or party?)we think isn't a liar, who has ethics, whose word (and promises) we can believe? But HOW to do that?

Look at their history, the things they've done? But that's no guarantee of future performance - and people change either my manipulation or silencing or 'free will' - if that exists, not sure what it is myself.

And people fear a 'lost' vote: scared to vote for who they really want, must vote to fit the silly system coz it isn't one person one vote = that's a lie. So it isn't a democracy then?

But anyway, just coz most vote for something does that mean it's the best and those on all the fringes don't ever get a look in? Those who shout loudest, the biggest number, those who spend the most on propaganda and persuasion = they win.

Not very fair is it? Can anyone think of better ways? More local control? People take turns at running this and that? People in Africa or Asia vote for us and OUR government coz it affects them big-time too? whole world vote for ALL world's leaders?

We get to truly get to know the PEOPLE: no masks, at any time, open to scrutiny and no PR people or TV or rules?

And if they promise something there must be a date by when must be done or OUT = FAIL? No incentive for them to keep their promises: they have ZILCH to lose. Should it become criminal to publicly promise something then default?

Abuse of trust is betrayal and that really hurts, it's deception (fraud), manifestos are often (can be) false instruments = fakery and nothing but hot air, no real substance, smoke 'n' mirrors. Come on plods: do something!

All jolly tricky but it's we who lose and they lose nothing, as though they can play with monopoly money but we must use and bet with our own - and with our lives.

Hi Icd8,

I have to agree. The only thing is how many of them will ACTUALLY DO what they PROMISE to do?

As I've got older I tend to take a very different view as to the reality of the polititions of today. Virtually all are career polititions, religiously following the 'party line' and very few concience polititions.

Margret Thatcher, love or loathe her, actually BELIEVED in what she said and SET party lines didn't FOLLOW them.,

Tony Ben constantly faced public scorn and was often decried in the house, even by his own party, because he said EXACTLY what he thougft and EXACTLY what he truely BELIEVED in.

Enoch Powell dubbed by many as a racist and very possibly was, (racism/beliefism, is something I abhor in all it's forms) however his predictions and views on the threat immigration posed to the UK have proven to be well founded as has been proven by the amount of time spent on the issue during the recent campaigns.

With a concience politition you know and are confiden that what ever the situation they will ALWAYS do their best to do what they promise and are willing to be pilloried for their beliefs.

Rant over,

Sporan

Icd8,

Thanks for your post. Looking at the whole picture is a luxury some with BI do not have .... YET> I vote for the people I get a good gut feeling about - those who are not afraid to disappoint to stick to what they believe in.

Many processes in politics today I do not agree with like 'party whip', selection on 'committees', endless additions to Lords, half the Lords checking in for a few minutes each day to claim their £300 expenses, MP's govern their own behaviour (lovely when they send nude pictures of their sexual organs across the internet and it is decided that as an MP, that should be his right, as if setting an example, as if reaching for the esteemed role of MP was equivalent to Joe Bloggs who doesn't give a fig about his societal conduct).

I want to vote for change in country governance without the threat of having an enforced different law system or dress code. It is true of every generation that what was part of their youth appears through rose tinted glasses as they struggle to adapt, comprehend and learn terminology of the next generation.

We have a situation where computers are running society and those in the know are aged under 30 years. Those older than this must concede societal technological function to this next generation who have grown up eating and sleeping computers.

Going to politics school then running a country means you come up with nonsensical statements regarding IT capability which no leader should share and no voter should have to listen to. I pay taxes to delegate certain community responsibilities (policing by consent) or BBC worldwide service to fellow English speakers across the globe to keep in touch with home events.

It seems our hand is being forced to consider the whole Earth, every country and culture and tradition, as ours, to erode each countries ways and replace them with a diversity so difficult to grasp, it breaks down community cohesion. I fundamentally wholeheartedly disagree. As a planet, we are stronger when we stand in a recognised place, surrounded by a feeling of security and familiarity. From this place, can we blend and enter into diverse thought and approach, to avoid clash and war.

For this reason both green and UKIP are concerned for my community, not for the rest of the world. Tidy home, tidy mind as they say.

As for blame, if the system is broken, however well meaning you might be, you will fail without support of a workable efficient system. I don't blame the politicians for lying to better their reputation, I don't blame the judges for allowing criminals to go free, I don't blame the police officers for working towards targets ignoring basic community care. Human nature is complex. We are very much a developing country and yet we assume we are a developed country in the UK. Our Victorian societal roots of stiff upper lip mean we lie more than say, a child bought up in a shamba in Tanzania who knows only how to fetch water, sweep ants, eat ugali (flour and water) and laugh with their brothers and sisters.

The Masai vote in leaders for 2 years. Because they understand that change happens and leaders to be good leaders will likely burn out within those two years and need to regenerate energy after stepping down. Remember these leaders kept lions from the camp fences, the basics of security. It provides youngsters in the tribe a focus to become a leader because of the high turnover. Young children of 4 or 5 years are given their first lesson in responsibility. Look after the baby goat until it bears milk. Such simplicity ensures values are streamlined in being kind to sentient beings.

Rant over!

Best.