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kamtadale
kamtadale
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Almost all physicians advise to avoid rice and potatoes for diabetics.Half of the world survive only on rice and potatoes.What should they do,either starve and die or eat rice/potatoes,get diabetes and then die.

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sandybrown

Rice, potatoes, corn,wheat, Asian grains, chickpeas,sweet potato are all available as well as over groun veg and many more underground veg. We need to eat what we need no more!!!

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RoadRunner44

I did wonder about these items. However, everyone reacts to different foods in different ways. For example, Potatoes can make one person spike but not everyone. The same goes for rice. I assume that's the reason why meters are useful to see how certain foods make us spike and others don't. Portions are also relevant to encourage weight control.

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Bet117
Bet117
in reply to RoadRunner44

Absolutely, RoadRunner!

Great point that everyone is different; what may work for one patient may not work for another. This includes medications and foods. Allergies are also an issue to be considered in both.

Foods - how each body metabolizes them and how much is consumed.

Thanks!

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kkmworldno1

That is exactly the reason Why a REAL AYURVEDIC MEDICINE was a customised one to each individual.

But this was and is, slowly became a common medicine for all SIMILAR issues (i.e. based on the problem symptoms) rather than -symptoms + individual's VATA + PITTA + KAPHA proportion -

Had we be able to resurge the real AYURVEDIC medicnes/Doctors, then there would not be such epidemic issues. Of course this alone doesn't solve the issues, there are many wide dimensions involve in this such as life style, location and region where we live, work, timing of eating, food quality and many more... no end. But by converging all such wide parameters to an individual's ATTITUDE becomes the solution to the problem.

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kamtadale

You are very correct sir that is why I always say that by quoting ADA and applying same parameters in our country is not correct.

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StillConcerned

We are more alike than we are different. If a person eats an excess glycaemic load meal after meal, day in day out, year after year, they may not show spikes in their blood glucose today, but the detriment still builds undetected, at least until the weakest link in the chain breaks.

Glycaemic load = Gi divided by 100 multiplied by available carbohydrate in grammes. nice.org.uk/guidance/ng28/r... To convert to sugar equivalents, divide by 2.6; the GL of a teaspoon of table sugar.

Most people need less than 45 GL per day to lower blood glucose and/or insulin levels; 60 GL to maintain.

Globally we've been encouraged to eat much more than this and avoid natural fats, leading to a massive increase in type 2 and obesity.

People with fatty liver, chronic kidney disease, gall bladder disease, PCOS, osteopaenia/osteoporosis, arthritis/gout, atherosclerotic stroke/heart disease, or hormonal cancer have latent insulin resistance. Some of the theories posed as a cure make it worse such as eating little and often, cutting the fat from meat or choosing reduced-fat varieties of dairy.

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mohan1212

True. We cannot live without these two. But potatoes when boiled are better than fried. Similarly rice without polishing is better. Have a rice base but supplement with plenty of vegetables.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to mohan1212

where do you buy rice without polishing now a days ?

What is difference in carb content of potatoes boiled vs fried ?

What about baked potato - very popular in USA - ?

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Bet117
Bet117
in reply to Fatbuddy

Anything fried adds fat and less healthy.

The size of the portion would effect the carb count.

Boiling or baking are plain and leaves you with just the content of the vegetable allowing you to eat them with the luxury of curry or a light spread on them if your doctor or nutritionist agrees.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to Bet117

Can use butter or ghee - as spread. Yes - portion control is always good for diabetics.

I have avoided for 30 years - don't miss at all- No Rice and No Potatoes.

Fried- yes - little oil - fat - don't we need to eat some fat anyway - may be 3 to 5 % of calories - and no one eats fried potataoes every day. I dont like french fries -

Love baked potato with butter -

Any one tried - friend in olive oil or flax seed oil or coconut oil ?

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Bet117
Bet117
in reply to Fatbuddy

I use olive oil for many things.

Potatoes? I take a bite here and there. Don't miss it or rice either!

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barani19
barani19
in reply to Fatbuddy

Fatbuddy

There are plenty of options for buying rice nowadays in India because of the improvement in logistics and other factors.

Organic Unpolished Ponni rice, Organic Unpolished hand pound ponni rice and other such varieties which were available in limited shops in a town or city is now available for the entire country because of online shops.

Never heard of traditional rice varieties like mappillai saba, thooyamalli are also available.

kamtadale ,

The GI of these varieties of the traditional rice varieties is low. So, rice need not be avoided altogether.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to barani19

why need to buy - eat rice ?

do you have list of all varieties available and with info on carb counts ==per 50 grams of rices - cooked ?

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to Fatbuddy

Dear dear,don't become accountant of your body.Eat whatever you want as long as it does not trouble you.....in smaller quantities.Disbetese does not mean starving/harrassing self.What is life,two years this side or two years that side.I have experience of 20 years of diabetes which started at 380 fbs and 450 ppbs,now just 125 fbs and 160 ppbs.....without any western med.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to kamtadale

Every one not same --You should start classes - FREE --volunteer to help- poor people who have diabetes in your state

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mistidahi
mistidahi
in reply to barani19

In taminadu we have more than 300 traditional rice varieties which do not cause diabetes. The best ones are kavuni rice and kattuyanam rice. As long as you burn calories there is no problem. If u r already a diabetic then portion control and variety of food plays an important role. As for potato take it boiled with methi or drums tick leaves

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to mistidahi

Thanks for enlightening on the varieties of rice,but in North where I live,we are familiar with boiled rice only.

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mistidahi
mistidahi
in reply to kamtadale

In north east you have black rice chalk hao This can be purchased online. And in Nepal and Himalayas you can get red rice. Other good alternatives are millets bajra and cheena ie fox tail millet are important for diabetes. Others are barley, amaranth, quinoa, samak and kuttu ie buck wheat. Once in a while you can ragi also but not too often. The key is variety and portion control. You can plan a diet chart and see that food taken once is not repeated at least once in a wheat. In wheat go for heirloom variety such as paigambari khatiya and samba wheat. Whenever you take wheat, mix atta with radish or methi or drums tick leaves. As for veggies, cauliflower, cabbage , broccoli all white gourds are zero glycemic index

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Fatbuddy

Do you have any study - indicating that eating rice and potato - a person will have Diabetes ?

Half people eat ? any study ? because its cheap ?

It is up to individual person-- will power - we don't have to eat rice and / or potatoes.

I had high triglycerides in 1984 - and yes, my Indian doctor suggested not to eat rice and potatoes. I stopped ever since. No medicine required.

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kamtadale

Since avoiding rice/potatoes are advised by doctors,they are the right person to ask about study on rice and potatoes, Sir.

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Bet117
Bet117
in reply to kamtadale

Or a diabetic dietician

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barani19
barani19
in reply to kamtadale

kamtadale sir,

The doctors also advise to eat carbs in portions when they know that carbohydrates cause the blood sugar to spike. Why are they not suggesting patients to eat good fat and good fiber?

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gangadharan_nair

Remember that all foods can fit into a diet for people with diabetes. The focus is on how much carbohydrate and saturated fat is in foods. One carbohydrate (carb) serving is equal to 15 grams of carbohydrate. One half cup of potatoes or one third cup of rice is equal to 15 grams or one carb choice.

Sweet potatoes are one of the best types of potato for people with diabetes, as they are low-GI and contain more fiber than white potatoes. Sweet potatoes are also a good source of calcium and vitamin A. Carisma potatoes, a variety of white potato, are another lower-GI option.

White rice has long been known to have a negative effect on blood sugar. ... Brown rice is packed with fiber, an important component for diabetes management. “Because fiber is not digested by the body, it does not affect blood sugar levels,” Reardon says.

Wholegrain Basmati rice has the lowest GI (glycaemic index) of all rice types, which means once digested it releases its energy slowly keeping blood sugar levels more stable, which is a crucial part of diabetes management.

People with diabetes can include rice as part of a healthful diet, but they should: Eat rice in moderation, and be mindful that 1 cup of rice contains 45 g of carbs.

The GI of potatoes is variable between 58 and 111; on an average, it is 78 for a boiled one and 87 for an instant cooked one. However, potatoes are incredibly popular worldwide an, aren't considered unhealthy unless and until deep fried.

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According to the new study, diabetes risk rises by about 10% with each increased serving per day of white rice. ... White rice ranks high on the glycemic index, which means it can cause a sudden spike in blood sugar levels. White rice is also low in fiber that can help lower the risk for developing diabetes, Sun says.

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Bet117

Absolutely correct. Unless there is another medical issue; discuss with your doctor if these foods should be eliminated.

Key point is modification and moderation.

Thank you for great insight!

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yenyen

The world because of its population explosion looks for fast growing sources of energy. The seeds of grasses and tubers are those which can grow quickly and have a good quantity of energy as starch. But the very same are detrimental to some who have problems with glucose metabolism due to deficiency or difficulty in utilisation of insulin. These cereals were a comparatively late entry into the diet of homo sapiens who was basically a hunter gatherer.

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to yenyen

In my place ,rural people,after having all those sweets from which "educated" people are scared ,just chew few leaves of Gymnema Sylvester [destroyer of sugar],and kill the effects of sugar.

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yenyen
yenyen
in reply to kamtadale

Are they diabetics or something? People with normal glucose tolerance do not need to 'kill effects of sugar'.

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sandybrown

Thank you for this information. Can you cook this?

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barani19
barani19
in reply to sandybrown

sandybrown,

I had Gymnema Sylvestrae for more than a year. Its a herb and we get small packets of Gymnema Sylvestrae powder in traditional medicine shops. Its called sirukurinjaan in Tamil.

If you have Gymnema, then you can eat any sugary stuff for at least some hours.

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sandybrown
sandybrown
in reply to barani19

Thank you for Tamil word.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to kamtadale

what town, state ? where can we buy these leaves in Gujarat ? I am coming to India

after one week for two months.

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to Fatbuddy

All these items are available in Gujrat in forest department's ayurvedic medicines outlets.I used to purchase in Junagadh when I was posted there sir.

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alkesh
alkesh
in reply to kamtadale

What they call in Gujrat

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to alkesh

Same as anywhere else,gudmar,jamun beej,karela beej,Bel Patra,Neem Patra ,Kalmegh etc

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alkesh
alkesh
in reply to kamtadale

Thanks

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RoadRunner44

I'm very interested in your post. Could you explain what this destroyer of sugar is and if it is available? Sorry for my ignorance I am trying to build up my knowledge and rely on this forum for answers to the questions that I ask myself. Thanks

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kamtadale

Gudmar,it's botanical name isGymnema Sylvestre and available in powder form everywhere.Just take a pinch of this powder and then take one spoon of sugar and see that sugar has lost its sweetness.Best remedy for type 2. alongwith jamun karela Neem and Bel leaves powder

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kamtadale

It's extract is available in homeopathic medicine also where you have to take 15 drops in 1/2 cup of water twice a day

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Cann

I can eat no rice or potatoes, although I have the occasional potato and suffer for it. I don't eat rice at all. We are all so different and we each need to eat what is right for us. Potatoes are not good if one has arthritis in the genetics.

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to Cann

Never heard that- with arthritis -can not eat potatoes ?

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Cann
Cann
in reply to Fatbuddy

potatoes are of the family belladonna and cause inflammation. They are also full of starch - starch if you think about it is used to stiffen curtains or used to be, hence the stiff joints!

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to Cann

yes- know -it is full of starch- complex carbs - but did not know - causes inflammation.

For many people- Turmeric and ginger works great for arthritis.

Movement is best way to prevent stiff joints. Also fish oil , flax seed oil can help lot --

Hyluranic Acid ( HA ) capsules may help.

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Cann
Cann
in reply to Fatbuddy

Yes, I use turmeric and ginger amongst others - good, but if take potatoes pain again. I do my best to keep moving - you are right!

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Fatbuddy
Fatbuddy
in reply to Cann

may be you are one in 100 million-- allergic to potatoes ..

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Cann
Cann
in reply to Fatbuddy

I don't think they are one of my allergic foods, just that they aggravate arthritis especially when it is in the genes! Belladonna and all that - well known about!

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mistidahi
mistidahi
in reply to Cann

Yes in ayurveda also potatoes not recommended for arthritis. Coconut is good

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sandybrown

1 Rice production method and cooking method has changed and the same with potatoes.!!!!!

I developed world, slow cooker and rice cooker are to blame. How many people make rice flower at home ..?..

Potatoes skin on or off fried or boiled ??

How about sweet potatoes ???

What are the aleternatives???

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mistidahi

Yes we wash the 3 times to remove the starch and cook traditional way in boiling water and removing excess water

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Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator
in reply to sandybrown

Sweet potatoes are less carbs., but you have to be careful as to what you have with them. The regular potatoes are 26-30 carbs. each.

People can cook cauliflower and use that instead of rice. :-)

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kamtadale

When I was diagnosed diabetic in 1998,my physician advised me to avoid sweet potatoes.Now who is correct?

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sandybrown

Well, I eat a lot of sweet potato. My research let me to belief it is good for me.!!

"When it comes to foods for type 2 diabetes, not all potatoes are created equal. To keep your blood sugar levels in check, it's best to reach for sweet potatoes, which are high in fiber (eat the skin for more fiber), as well as a host of other vitamins.27 Aug 2018"

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Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator
in reply to kamtadale

Why did your doctor say to not eat sweet potatoes?

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kamtadale

Sir,when a physician advise you to avoid certain foods,they don't tell you the chemistry of that food.They just say not to have those foods to help you keep your sugar level under control.We don't question him,just nod our heads in agreement.Is'nt it Sir.

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Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator
in reply to kamtadale

If I go to an appointment and a doctor says I can’t have something food related, I ask for him/her to give me the risks/side effects of eating them. I know wheat products cause issues for me, so I don’t have anything with it in it anymore.😀👍

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kamtadale

Well,Sir,you have such nice doctors who have so much patience for patients.

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Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator
in reply to kamtadale

Thank you! Not all doctors I know will be that way out here in the USA. It’s a toss up sometimes.

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navavrindavana

What I do is consume as less rice as possible with curry or any other vegetable preparations in relatively large amounts to compensate for rice. This will fill your belly and also add plenty of fibres,minerals etc. In my experience consumption of juices of our daily consumed vegetables in raw condition perhaps barring potatoes and pumpkins will go a long way to regulate blood sugar levels. Juices are better to be consumed in empty stomach.

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kamtadale

Here is the glitch. On one side you want to have tummy satisfaction and the other side risk of balancing sugar.I too faced the same problem and wife solved it by inventing a diabetic flour.1 ....5 kgs wheat...2. .one kg black gram ...3.one kg barley[jau] and 1/2 kg soyabean. The taste of roti made from this flour will be a little like missi roti but this will act as a medicine also to control blood sugar.Once you are stabilised,you can increase the quantity of wheat to suit your taste keeping other ingredients same.Now I am in 20th year of diabetes eating same roti and not taking any allopathic medicines.

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mistidahi
mistidahi
in reply to Hidden

Actually what kind of rice is available in the market. White rice grown with lots of fertiliser and pesticides, which make rice a poison. Choose heirloom variety of rice grown organically. If possible grow your own food in your garden

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Cann
Cann
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Totally right. I do my best to eat organic whole food and rotate as much as possible - that helps me and now the telecom companies are determined to destroy the world with their 5G and millimetre microwave radiation everywhere giving us no choices. We have to work hard and trust that good will win over evil.

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sandybrown
sandybrown
in reply to Cann

Radiation started with train electrification service, experiments were done but no one took notice like may things like TV's PC monitors' and so on.

5G is new development with very low power!!!!

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StillConcerned

Nothing to do with the West feeling threatened by the Indian and Chinese economies then?

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Cann
Cann
in reply to sandybrown

Not from what I have read and having transmitters out side bedroom windows and masts on streets emitting millimetre microwave radiation 24/7 is not going to be healthy for anyone.

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Cann
Cann
in reply to sandybrown

You might like to go to this link and read the letter and especially watch the speech by Boris Johnson.

radiationresearch.org/wp-co...

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sandybrown
sandybrown
in reply to Cann

Thank you. I do not wish to enter into unnecessary discussion on this subject on a T2 discussion!!!!

My degree was on Telecommunications, project was on electro magnetic radiation, worked for many years in different plus. Took retirement from Vodafone !

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Cann
Cann
in reply to sandybrown

vested interests then! Say no more.

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to Hidden

Many a times, our traditional knowledge of keeping ourselves healthy is better than so called researches by western countries

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to Hidden

Just like Colgate,who used to laugh at our local toothpowder which has salt and wood coal and now going full ahead with same salt and coal and Neem and what not.

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kamtadale

Fenugreek seeds,one spoon,soaked in one small bowl water at night,taken in morning,chew the seeds and swallow the water helps in controlling bs.So funny, Americans are researching on it and trying to get patent on it.

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kamtadale

There is always a scam associated with modern parameters.Recently I read in a news paper that cholesterol is the biggest scam of the century.

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sandybrown
sandybrown
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What proof do you have for your first line comment?

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sandybrown
sandybrown
in reply to Hidden

This was a question to understand your process.

There is no need to take any action like deleting your account, I am sure many people are learning from your experience, including myself.

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Manoj1K
Manoj1K
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What is the link between statin sales crossing $1tn and 200 cholestrol being safe for humans?? Please clarify. Conspiracy theories don't help.

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kamtadale
kamtadale
in reply to Manoj1K

Once I read in "health capsule" of Times of India that if your physician is giving statin for cholesterol,ask him to change it because it is dangerous for you.

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