Can switch to Insulin from Tabs ?

[njp102]

From last 6 years I can control it by tablets (Met formin) but developed side effects on eyes , somebody suggest me to go for Insulin and stop Tabs , is it advisable even if your doctor suggest ??

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I am sharing my own experience.After being a diabetic for about 20 years with oral medication,I switched over to insulin about six months back.I think I made a correct decision.My experience is that sugar control becomes very fine tuned in the sense that you are liable to hypoglycemia more than what you were used to with oral medicines.So ,you can target A1c of around 6.5.Please discuss with your doctor to clear any doubts.

[njp102 in reply to Hidden]

Good Same information I got from few more people around me-thanks

[Chitudai in reply to Hidden]

My doctor told me simple formula. If the body is not producing insulin, you have to supplement from out side. I Did so long back & I have good control unless I overstep my limits.

[Meetu77]

So you mean to say you developed diabetic complications within 6 years as a diabetic?

(1) What has been your FBS/PPBS/A1C?

(2) Have you been monitoring FBS/PPBS at home?

[njp102 in reply to Meetu77]

FBS- 175

PP-150

I have glucometere at home. I'm taking Metformin and I believe due to which I developed eye pressure ,But MY Dr. doesn't believe so.

[njp102 in reply to njp102]

I also Have Tri glyceride in high range i.e. 358

[Meetu77 in reply to njp102]

High Carb Low fat diet for sure and/or taking alcohol?

Options available:

(1) Go for drugs and stay on drugs for life. as lipids fixing drugs are for life once started, because once you stop LIPIDS can bounce back in danger zone.

(2) Change diet and Switch to LCHF diet - dlife.in/

A lot has been written on this recently here:

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

So not repeating it. Your TG is dangerously high. We diabetics on LCHF aim for <100 and achieve it most of the time w/o drugs.

[njp102 in reply to Meetu77]

I'm Fully Vegetarian, completely non alcoholic, still TG is high

[Meetu77 in reply to njp102]

Then HIGH CARB LOW FAT diet is to blame. There's no dispute about it. Please check following for further discussion as it is very recent and similar to yours:

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

You are definitely Insulin Resistant also and I am saying this even without looking at your HDL.

[njp102 in reply to Meetu77]

HDL- 70

LDL-38

[Meetu77 in reply to njp102]

You definitely are insulin resistant. TG/HDL should be ideally < 2.5, lower the better.

I doubt about LDL 38.

Are you on STATIN Drugs?

Such a low LDL opens u up for various other complications.

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Even now I do not have any diabetic complications.I do monitor at home and A1c hovers around 6.5.I am going into 74 now and it is becoming more and more difficult to keep up.I know you will recommend LCHF ,but sorry,I am not for it.Other than 3 or 4 eggs a month and occasional teaspoonful of ghee ,I do not indulge in fat.I am on statins and cholesterol is under control.In fact,in about 40 parameters that I was tested during my last annual,I am wit in range.

[Meetu77 in reply to Hidden]

I posted the queries for njp102.

I know, we will never agree, either on diet or what's the safe limit for A1C because I don't buy the argument that diabetics should be happy with higher A1C. I don't see any logical reasoning.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

@venkatarmana., Sir., i frankly feel if u r comfortable., dont change anything sir.

eventhough LCHF works cocksure., attempt it only if u can forego happy quantities of rice,idly etc. I strongly feel u shuld enjoy your life healthily, irrespective of insulin or lchf. finally your happiness and health matters.at 74. by the way try it one or two days without meds.,and then u can take a decision sir.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Thank you very much.I do believe in moderation and fine tuning rather than radical measures.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Venkataramana Sir As your age is 74 and also u have diabetic more than 25 years u have controlled as HBA1C as 6.5 it is too good as comparing to your age Your age and doing excerciseand diet is helps to normal position at your age

1 If the insulin difficiency in the persons there is no alternative other than insulin.

2 In younger age diabeticicstarting 1 2 5 yeatrsit may fully controlabale by proper diet andexcercise and small quantity of medicine

3 But age passes our bodybecame very weak and resistance power will reduce gradually

4 Even as age more than 65 the persons consuming food also less and activity also reduced This is already expereinced by U

5 Only limited people may good gealth and may followed any system

6 As age factor Fats cannot digested for age factor and also excess of portein may cause kidney damages and albumin will increases

7 As u followed the diet system u must followed your ownway

as u have control it as not complication araises.

8 God may bless u for good health and life to to u and your guidance to this blog and other blogs also necessity

9 As age persons more than 60 years like me does not neglect Doctors if any problems or damges for health Doctors only solved the problems we are only givern our expereince only and finally our health is in our hand only

Thanking u once again Sir

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Thank you,Mr.Nataraj.Your post will certainly invigorate me to tackle my diabetes disorder more effectively.

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Yesterday,I was talking to a doctor in the diabetes clinic.I sought her advise about LCHF and she said she is interested in the subject and may take up the subject for her research and study.She told that she came across an experiment conducted on the effects of LCHF on humans.She says LCHF in the long run impairs the ability of the liver to balance the various harmones which may likely to lead to fatty liver.I will give you full details after the lady sends me the link to the article.

[Meetu77 in reply to Hidden]

That's may just be her opinion WRT fatty liver.

Also, fatty Liver? Fatty Liver is all triggered by TG and made worse by PUFA loaded oil. Diabetics on the ground, living on LCHF, don't report any such Fatty Liver issue.

Also, most of "High fat" researches are around taking anything around 40-45% Fat, which means Carbs are still kept 40-45%. That's not LCHF. It's something like lacing Pizza Bun with butter and then blaming the butter for everything, like experts at Joslin did on 7 Type 1 diabetics.

In quite sometime to come, all research will focus on how to demonize LCHF through scaremongering and then spread the lies systematically like they did with SFA.

Let her contact Dr Jeff Volek who has been living on much more extreme end of LCHF (ketogenic diet) or Dr Peter Attia (50 grams carb). Here's Dr Jeff Volek interview in case she is "open minded" about learning (i can give many such details, but let he first start with one):

truehealthunlimited.com/blo...

Dr Volek has been for 2 decades on ketogenic diet and still counting. Dr Bernstein has been on that for over 4 decades and still counting. She can contact them if she is really interested.

[Hidden in reply to Meetu77]

I read the interview and found it interesting.But more fascinating was Dr.Volek's views on UCAN super starch.I googled and found the link below.

generationucan.com/super.html

Looks to be a better alternative What is your view on this?

[Meetu77 in reply to Hidden]

@venkataramana -

More about Superstarch here:

eatingacademy.com/sports-an...

eatingacademy.com/sports-an...

Since it talks about Corn, I am not sure if this is some form of RS, with other nutrients added, as it tallks of "replacement". RS doesn't spike sugar and it delivers energy too. Unmodified Potato Startch is one of the best when it comes to RS.

Jeff Volek has 20 years of his own data on ketogenic diet with him which no Level 1,2,3 experts with all their high flying awards and degrees dares to dissect.

Same applies to other great folks like Dr Peter Attia, Dr Benstein, Dr Eric Westman, Dr Troy Stapleton etc etc (endless list). So who cares what these "EXPERTS" that take a parallel salary from Pharma companies say about LCHF. We just trash their opinion to Trash Bin.

If the lady doctor that you talked to is seriously interested in "Learning" and not "Finding a Sponsor" to paint LCHF in bad light in name of research, then she can contact any one of the above.

[Meetu77]

@indiacratus --

Do you know why they don't recommend? A look into following Phama companies sponsored CORRUPTION will make it clear:

propublica.org/article/doll...

This is just one article. You will find hundreds of such article on the above site. Look at the few here:

propublica.org/series/dolla...

Unfortunately, diabetics on LCHF don't believe in CORRUPT system. Who cares what these "money minting" experts (funded by Pharma Sharks) say about LCHF. Their pockets would run dry if they spoke in favor of LCHF. They fear losing $$$$.

Unfortunately you can never understand LCHF, as you are relying on the same corrupt system for your knowledge. This is something like Karnataka CM insisting on CBCID inquiry in D K Ravi's case and refusing for CBI enquiry till PUBLIC Pressure mounted.

In the end, Anup (the person who started LCHF here) challenges every doctor. Do all tests that they want to prove LCHF is damaging body. No one takes his challenge. WHY? He is into 5th year as a diabetic on no drugs for anything.

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You must have read about super starch.I found a link.

generationucan.com/super.html

Please give your views.I feel it is a safer choice for diabetics.

[shrisamarth Volunteer]

Whatever diet is designed by scientists in not helping diabetics in managing there diabetes and that's the reason people are shifting to LCHF diet . All successful experiments about LCHF diet are carried out by doctors.

Many of them have adopted this diet themselves.

[Meetu77 in reply to shrisamarth]

@shrisamarth -

He will keep playing the same broken record justifying the same broken diet and will shy from replying when numbers are presented

Problem is he says he is of scientific mind (ranks himself almost parallel with Dr Bernstein) but his science is just limited to ADA/AMA/AHA promotional brochures. Some people can never understand anything revolutionary. It's just BEYOND THEM.

[Meetu77]

Have you heard of:

"Flogging A Dead Horse"

No one flogs a dead horse but even then this is used very commonly across everyday communication.

Same applies to the term:

"Whipping The Pancreas"

This is known as "Figure of Speech" in English language.

However, Whipping the pancreas can hold true in "Literal" sense also, as one is forcing (read whipping) the pancreas to release more insulin by use of drugs so driving to to burn out faster. So, whichever way you look at it, the phrase is correct.

Taking SU drugs for "Whipping The Pancreas" is like running a modern car with faulty "engine mapping settings". It will run for sure but engine life / fuel efficiency will be impacted. I am sorry, your calculator analogy was entirely out of place.

[kkapoor]

hi everyone I found nice information on diabetes on thelifestylediseases.com/li...

I specially liked important information when checking your glucose level.

[shrisamarth Volunteer]

Read this what happens when "balanced diet"

given by a doctor is followed.

healthunlocked.com/diabetes....

Actually "balanced" is vague term in case of diet where nothing is specified.

[Meetu77 in reply to shrisamarth]

@shrisamarth --

His knowledge is very limited and yet he considers himself equivalent to Bernstein. He is jealous of LCHF's success. No point discussing LCHF with people who aren't even diabetic. Problem is that he is always busy trying to impress upon others that he knows too much.

After an age, it is impossible to learn new things because it's a nothing to gain nothing to lose situation.

Anyone who has everything to gain, learns new things very quickly.

[shrisamarth Volunteer in reply to Meetu77]

One should at least prove that his/her approach is helping others in controlling their diabetes.

[Meetu77 in reply to shrisamarth]

@shrisamarth --

I doubt he has anything else to prove except that he is trying to show he has VAAAAAST knowledge. If you argue much, you get abused and insulted.

[shrisamarth Volunteer in reply to Meetu77]

___If you argue much, you get abused and insulted.___

It's a known fact.

[shrisamarth Volunteer]

I lose interest half way through his post as sometimes it is not even clear what he is tying to say.

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