"EYE-OPENER" video about "meat"

[NewGuywithPD]

Just when I thought it was OK to eat meat ...

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youtu.be/t2hKvHDCHCI?si=mc2...(Not working as expected?)

[Likii]

Before we click on a link for which you've provided no description ...

Is it anything significantly related to Parkinson's?

[NewGuywithPD in reply to Likii]

you are JOKING, right?

did you READ the title text ON the video SHOWN here?

"The role meat may play in triggering PARKINSON'S disease."

[Likii in reply to NewGuywithPD]

Not joking. You started a thread with a mindless title, then posted a link with a pointless, clickbait description. Then you're too dense to realize that to see the title of the video we'd have to click on that link. Then you ask me if I'm joking.

[NewGuywithPD in reply to Likii]

Ahhhhhhh,,, So you are the "WORD POLICE" here?

You MUST be a ... democrat.

p.s. AND ... Everybody here (except 'you'?) can READ the title WITHOUT having to click on that link .... duhhhhhhhhhh)

[CuriousMe12]

Good general description of PD, alpha synucline and gut. But then he draws lots of links to meat using the word 'maybe' many times. Does he have any research?I've always been low on meat intake but still got hit.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to CuriousMe12]

well i was a vegetarian for 27 ... YEARS ... and i got hit, also ...

whatever the frick has caused our condition ...

and continues its progression ...

i for one ... am doing EVERY fricken thing to STOP/reverse any further problems.

p.s. i'm not officially dx'd ... i'm not taking any meds ... but i have tens of THOUSANDS of internal tremors daily and a handful of tiny external (visible) tremors (especially when I pick up a spoon or fork)

[CuriousMe12 in reply to PDWarrior1900]

I guess we'll never know for certain PD

[WinnieThePoo in reply to PDWarrior1900]

So almost certainly not PD then!

[NewGuywithPD in reply to WinnieThePoo]

well i think i'm in the prodromal stage ...

i had a neuro exam by a MDS a year ago sept

his name was Dr Bozo

i have another appointment in february

and i'm going to get the skin biopsy text

we'll see...

[NewGuywithPD in reply to WinnieThePoo]

p.s. my feb appt is with a NEW neuro MDS specialist

[park_bear in reply to CuriousMe12]

The theory proposed by this video is lacking needed evidence. Proteins in the gut, including alpha synuclein, are usually broken down before absorption, and cells in the gut are capable of generating their own alpha synuclein. He provides no evidence gut alpha synuclein is absorbed rather than created. Also it is generally thought that the propagation of misfolded alpha synuclein is the source of the problem, and he provides no evidence that ingested alpha synuclein is misfolded.

Not the first time this individual has given unjustified advice based on inadequate evidence - he has persisted in recommending raising uric acid levels even after that has been shown to cause serious adverse events. Details here: healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

[CuriousMe12 in reply to park_bear]

Good points Park. 👍

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to CuriousMe12]

i appreciate your thoughtful post. But as you know -- nearly everyone I can think of including the well respected Dr Laura Mischley -- says to AVOID EATING MEAT.

What is the Dr Mischley diet?

Based on her research, Mischley finds the people with Parkinson's that are doing the best over time post-diagnosis are eating fresh fruits and vegetables, non-fried fish, nuts, seeds, olive oil, coconut oil, wine, fresh herbs and spices. She notes that this closely resembles the Mediterranean diet. May 1, 2019

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here's another respected source saying the same thing and I could post dozens of "DON'T EAT MEAT" if you have PD references ...

parkinsondiet.com/5-foods-t...

5 foods to limit if you have Parkinson’s disease

Red meat and meat products

Butter and stick margarine

Whole-fat cheese

Pastries and sweets

Fried or fast food

mischeley

[CuriousMe12 in reply to PDWarrior1900]

Yes all recommended as a good diet before and after diagnosis. But can we claim meat leads to PD.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to CuriousMe12]

Is that all red meat, or just USA red meat, stuffed full of growth hormones, antibiotics, and fed GM corn sprayed with parsquat?

[NewGuywithPD in reply to WinnieThePoo]

good point, poo!

i have no idea except to say that of the MILLIONs of health videos i've watched ... they all say to buy "organic" and "grass fed/ grass finished beef"

not sure if that applies to PD

[park_bear in reply to PDWarrior1900]

According to Laurie Mischley's research entitled: "Role of Diet and Nutritional Supplements in Parkinson’s Disease Progression", fish and turkey were helpful, chicken was close to neutral, beef and fried food were adverse. The fish, beef and fried food results were stat sig and the others were not. There are other good reasons to avoid red meat and fried food, and I do.

With that said there's nothing wrong with a vegetarian diet and I did not intend to imply otherwise..

[WinnieThePoo in reply to CuriousMe12]

And ask yourself how many mcdonald's customers eat meat and don't get PD. Just maybe something else a bit more complicated is responsible.

[NewGuywithPD in reply to WinnieThePoo]

well ... while 'red meat' may or may not be a 'cause' of PD ...

it's generally agreed by medicine/ researcher that meat is ... inflammatory ...

NOT good for our bodies with PD!

[rescuema in reply to NewGuywithPD]

Red meat is source of high heme iron = inflammatory.

Modern fish are tainted with heavy metal along with other water pollutants = toxic and inflammatory.

PD brain has trouble detoxing accumulated iron in the substantia nigra, and toxic iron level is antagonistic to bioavailable copper required for proper copper-iron metabolism and detox.

Mediterranean and other blue zone diets, often recommended for PD and other neurodegeneration, tend to be very limited in red meat for occasional consumption only.

Limit heavy iron and inflammatory diets including processed refined foods that contribute to oxidative stress and mineral imbalance including bioavailable copper.

[NewGuywithPD in reply to rescuema]

when you say "modern fish" ... not sure "which particular fish" you are talking about? ...

i've read/watched/listened to 1000s of health videos (just call me: Dr YouTube, lol) ... and my understanding is that it is ok to eat salmon, sardines, mackeral, herring, anchovies (i think the acronym is SMASH or something like that) ...

because they have very low toxicity ... wadayathunk?

[rescuema in reply to NewGuywithPD]

Modern fish - I mean the product of current and ubiquitous industrial pollution, as to more pristine ocean/water food of several decades past.

Salmon, sardines, and other smaller younger fish tend to accumulate less heavy metal, especially mercury, compared to other fish choices, such as swordfish, tuna, and other larger species that tend to accumulate more toxins. However, smaller fish nowadays also might not be so safe from ocean toxins, such as microplastics from recent textile pollution.

[NewGuywithPD in reply to rescuema]

good post thanks!

[rescuema in reply to NewGuywithPD]

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[NewGuywithPD in reply to rescuema]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus!

And I LOVE sardines!

"up to 30 mg of plastic when eating sardines ...."

p.s. thanks for the post!

[rescuema in reply to NewGuywithPD]

Yes, I felt the same way. I used to eat sardines and other smaller fish all the time as a seafood lover...

[NewGuywithPD in reply to rescuema]

i have been on my O.M.A.D. diet for 615 ... straight days ... (nearly 2 years) in my effort to lose weight (i've lost 50 pounds with another STUBBORN 30 that won't go away!!!) ... in an effort to "heal my gut."

June 20, 2021 ... my left thumb tremored visibly for a few seconds.

Since then I've been on a quest to stop ... slow down ... reverse whatever the frick I have.

Saw a neuro/MDS specialist in sept 2022 ... his name was ... Dr. Bozo.

Seeing a new doc in February who has the skin biopsy test (Dr Bozo didn't even KNOW that was AVAILABLE!).

[rescuema in reply to NewGuywithPD]

When you can afford to lose weight, OMAD, fasting, or other types of elimination diets can be helpful while battling errant systemic immune responses to allergens originating from compromised gut junctions/leaky gut or other microbiome dysbiosis. However, you must be careful to not prolong such drastic diets and eventually end up causing nutrient deficiencies once you pass over the tipping point or after the initial improvements eventually wane. This is part of why most extreme trendy diets eventually will work against you over time after temporary initial success, so be careful while addressing your gut issues and start introducing more varied healthy options to slowly improve/vary your nutrient intake.

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to rescuema]

thanks for the input .... my "stack" of supplements is ... staggering.

So i'm getting all the nutrients plus even though I'm on an O.M.A.D. lifestyle (it's not a "diet" anymore) ... I'm eating too many "calories" during that two hour window (which is why I'm not losing more weight).

[rescuema in reply to PDWarrior1900]

Focusing on losing excess weight is certainly important to reduce inflammation load. Incorporating resistance training to stimulate beneficial hormones along with cardio exercises might help. Good luck!

[PDWarrior1900 in reply to rescuema]

I was doing a 14 miles bike trip to the beach ... a couple of times a week ... up until 2 1/2 months ago ...

For almost 10 years my left hip has been gradually getting more painful causing a limp which is now very severe and painful.

I visited an orthopedic surgeon who said i have osteoarthritis -- and he said i need a total hip replacement.

NO thanks!

So now I have a new "condition" to work on ... LOL

My father always said ... "It could be worse."

And as I read comments from others on this forum ... I know these poor folks have it MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than I do and my heart goes out to all of you.

[NewGuywithPD in reply to rescuema]

P.S. i'm actually PDWarrior1900 ... for some reason I can't login to that account from this computer

[CuriousMe12 in reply to WinnieThePoo]

I find preparing raw dead flesh unappetizing, so easy for me to avoid cooking. I struggle with other family members who want it.Bleached US Chicken is a problem as is Uk factory farmed chicken filled with antibiotics.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to CuriousMe12]

Yes - we're lucky here in France. It's the same for Dairy - the emmenthal cheese I ate at lunchtime was organic "cru" (unpasteurised) - so full of probiotic bacteria - and no antibiotics

[Ashti in reply to CuriousMe12]

All NutritionFacts.org videos are based on research. He and his team go through all the peer-reviewed nutrition research, evaluate how well the studies were designed, put higher weight on studies on people vs animals or cells in Petri dishes, look to what the bulk of the research is pointing to and then gets the word out in short videos or blogs but links to all the research so you can read it all.

[Bolt_Upright]

The Role Meat "May" Play in Triggering Parkinson's Disease.

[Ashti in reply to Bolt_Upright]

Spoken like a good research evaluator.

[Bolt_Upright]

I prefer to believe that vegetables causes Parkinson's: Dr. Paul Mason - 'How lectins impact your health - from obesity to autoimmune disease' youtube.com/watch?v=mjQZCCi...(Not working as expected?)

[NewGuywithPD in reply to Bolt_Upright]

come on bolt ... "vegetables" cause PD?

you're too smart to believe that

[Bolt_Upright in reply to NewGuywithPD]

Actually, I am not too smart to believe that

I have a detailed post with link from 10 months ago on Lectins and Parkinson's: healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Also, I only eat ruminant meat. Basically beef. Cows have 4 stomachs and I think that helps filter out the lectins from the corn and grain they eat. I can't afford all grass fed meat. I think non grass fed chicken and pork is probably chock full of lectins.

Thanks for raising this topic. This is important stuff to dialogue about.

[Bear1927 in reply to Bolt_Upright]

100% agree on lectins!big pharma is pushing woke agenda against meat way too hard

[NewGuywithPD in reply to Bolt_Upright]

p.s. i'm pdwarrior1900

i can't seem to login to that account from my k itchen computer