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Can someone explain :Does the parkinson's glove therapy assume we don't have a loss of Dopa. Neurons but they just need to be reorganized. Via vibration

Where gene therapy assume we have a loss of Neurons that need to be replaced ?

Which is it, replace or reorganize?

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My extremely limited understanding is that it's both. From listening to Dr. Tass, he seems to recognize that there is loss of dopamine, but that isn't the full picture - there is also a pathological synchrony of neural circuits. Desynchronizing those seems to be what he is going for and it is that that provides relief to the patients.

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Neurosmith

Personally, I think the loss of dopamine is an oversimplified view of PD - or that it's just one sub-type. I'm guessing that research over the next few years will show that it's much more complex than just dopamine loss and replacement and that we'll see an expanded definition of PD and different sub-types of it.

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Youngoma in reply to Neurosmith

I agree 100 %. I don‘t understand why all the research starts with the assumption that it is only a loss of dopamine. Obviously that has not done anything to cure or halt Parkinson’s.

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WinnieThePoo in reply to Neurosmith

Ablation has been used since 1939. DBS authorised by the FDA since 2002. The "more complicated than dopamine loss" is not going to be a new discovery. But whereas Parkisonisms can arise from brain injury or drug side effects, Parkinsons Disease is only capable of conclusive diagnosis by an autopsy - which shows...

The death of dopamine neurons in the substantia nigra!

It is the very definition of the disease. Of course, dopamine replacement , dbs & Fus only address motor symptoms. The mechanism that drives the death of dopamine neurons in the SN, also damages neurons in the gut and autonomous nervous system, olfactory bulb, seratonin neuons et al. Finding that mechanism is the key to a really good solution

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gomelgo

it seems that once there is an orthodoxy, making any dent in such entrenched positions is a monumental endeavor. Humans seem to find security in our holding on to beliefs. Super frustrating and detrimental to ourselves.

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WinnieThePoo

No. The glove therapy has nothing to do with reorganising dopamine neurons.

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Hope-full1970

Is the Parkinsons therapy glove available to buy or is it still in trials waiting to be approved by FDA?

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Manypony in reply to Hope-full1970

Still in trials. Some Individuals are making their own gloves.

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Hope-full1970 in reply to Manypony

Interesting, thanks!

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justoldage

The "dead" neurons may just be inactive.

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ParkiePerson

Good question! Basically I think since many people have a very strong reduction in symptoms when they take C/L, which essentially replaces dopamine, scientists have concluded that lack of dopamine is the essential problem for people with Parkinson's. But if that were the case, things like DBS and the gloves would not work. Clearly dopamine plays a roll, but I am not clear on why other methods involving electrical impulses and desynchronization would work. Wouldn't we still be deficient in dopamine and therefore not be able to pass signals to the rest of the body correctly? Clearly there is more going on here.

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WinnieThePoo in reply to ParkiePerson

Astonishingly scientists know and understand a lot more than too many on this forum credit them with. Both the Sonimodul website and eric ahlskog book will answer your questions.In brief, loss of dopamine results in disrupted signalling in one brain circuit. This leads to an imbalance which can either be fixed by replacing the missing dopamine in the first circuit, or by disrupting the signaling in other circuits in the system. Disruption can be by physical lesion, which was the original technique and which is now generally achieved by Focussed ultrasound, or by electrical stimulation, whether by dbs or vibrotactile stimulation

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