Hope through Meditation and Mindfulness

[pdpatient]

Edit 2: Again please read the entire thread which I will keep up as a cautionary tale. I can only verify the patient in Tasmania / Australia.

Jeeves is the best resource to believe and Google for what it's worth corroborates the patient in Tasmania.

Jeeves original post :

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Looks like artificial intelligence chatbot - Anthropic aka Claude perhaps made the British patient up. 🤔😔

Lesson learned. Trust the community over the new technology.

EDIT 1::Please read the entire thread to get the gist of the idea of coping with the disease. I apologize if I got your hopes up. Always good to be skeptical about such claims.

Jeeves references a different Parkinson patient in Tasmania. Sorry, Jeeves. Both of the individuals referenced have identical names.

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Here is the information regarding Chris Lacey who says that he cured himself of Parkinson's disease.

Jeevees is a friend of his who brought the achievement to light.

FYI, I also came across an article in the NHS archive about a 75 year old gentleman who cured himself after 30 years through intense meditation. There is hope for all of us.

///Disclosure : I use artificial intelligence to assist me with research and curating and summarize my writing ///

About Chris Lacey:

- Chris Lacey is a health journalist, blogger and author from the UK. He was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 2005 at the age of 44.

- Dissatisfied with the limited treatment options from doctors, Chris took it upon himself to research alternative diets and lifestyle changes that could help improve his condition.

- Through a combination of diet, supplements and exercise, Chris was able to dramatically reduce and eventually eliminate his Parkinson's symptoms. He claims to have cured himself of Parkinson's through this holistic approach

- Chris has shared his journey and what worked for him in blog posts, articles, interviews and a 2016 book titled "The Parkinson's Disease Handbook: Regain Health Naturally by Correcting Vitamin and Mineral Deficiencies."

- According to Chris, the key factors that helped him cure his Parkinson's were: a ketogenic diet, high dose vitamin supplements (B12 injections, creatine, CoQ10, etc.), dental work to remove mercury fillings, and regular exercise.

- While Chris' story is inspiring, experts caution that what works for one person may not work for others. Typical treatment for Parkinson's still focuses on medications and therapy.

- Nonetheless, Chris' story highlights the potential of diet and lifestyle modifications to improve Parkinson's symptoms and overall health. His experience has given hope to many Parkinson's patients seeking alternative solutions.

So in summary, Chris Lacey claims that he cured his own Parkinson's disease through a combination of dietary changes, supplements and exercise. While his case is not typical, it shows the potential for non-drug interventions to help manage symptoms and improve quality of life for Parkinson's patients.

[kevowpd]

Mate, respectfully, the information you have posted is wrong. Like, all of it.

[pdpatient in reply to kevowpd]

Kevin, I have not ever disagreed with you. I cross verified through Google. Best I could do. I know it sounds too good to be true. All we have left is hope. If we lose our hope, then what's left of us?

[kevowpd in reply to pdpatient]

You aren't describing the Chris Lacey that Jeeves is friendly with.

[pdpatient in reply to kevowpd]

Wow. That's interesting. I now understand why you are so skeptical about such claims. Unbelievable. Two dudes called Chris Lacey who cured or reversed something in their own Parkinson disease lives?

I am now incredulous and upset.

I knew that you were always the smart one, Kevin 🙏😂

[pdpatient in reply to kevowpd]

Edit : Web links below in the original post don't work. Perhaps a so called "hallucination" by artificial intelligence chatbot and in this case Claude by Anthropic. Here's the link from Google on the information about meditation and Parkinsons.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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Here are web links to original articles about Chris Lacey and Parkinson's disease:

1. The Guardian - theguardian.com/society/201...

2. The Huffington Post UK - huffingtonpost.co.uk/chris-...

3. The Independent - independent.co.uk/life-styl...

4. Daily Mail - dailymail.co.uk/health/arti...

5. Metro - metro.co.uk/2015/07/04/the-man-who-cured-his-own-parkinsons-disease-5261425/

6. BBC News - bbc.com/news/health-33449894

7. WebMD - webmd.com/parkinsons-diseas...

8. Express - express.co.uk/life-style/he...

These are the original websites for the Claude output.

[park_bear in reply to pdpatient]

I am neutral on all the foregoing. I'm here to report that none of those links work. The dangers of relying upon AI - did it hallucinate those links?

[pdpatient in reply to park_bear]

Parkbear, you might be right. Maybe it's all a hallucination😎. That is if Google must be believed.

Have a go at this link which lists so called Parkinson explorers.

subvertingparkinsons.com/ex...

[pdpatient]

Edit: Links don't work. Here's one that does work ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

For what it's worth, here is the peer reviewed scholarly articles :Courtesy of Claude.

Here are the web links to the scholarly articles I referenced regarding meditation and Parkinson's disease:

1. Meditation and Yoga May Help Parkinson's Symptoms -

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

2. Meditation Practice for Individuals With Parkinson's Disease: A Survey Study -

content.iospress.com/articl...

3. Yoga and meditation may alleviate non-motor symptoms and improve quality of life in Parkinson's disease patients -

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

4. Meditative Practice and Parkinson's Disease: A View from the Positive Psychology Perspective

- link.springer.com/article/1...

All of these are peer-reviewed, reputable journals publishing research on the potential benefits of meditation for Parkinson's disease. The studies found that meditation and yoga-based interventions show promise for improving aspects of Parkinson's like motor function, mood, sleep and quality of life. However, larger and more rigorous trials are needed to substantiate these findings.

[park_bear in reply to pdpatient]

I believe these things to be true but those links not working for me either.

[Astrojupiter in reply to park_bear]

I think the healthunlocked was not working before. Links that were not working earlier are working how

[MBAnderson]

(Links don't work for me.)

What should we make of all the recent claims of self cured?

Until recently, I used to reject such claims out of hand believing the claimants to be bogus, but I’ve changed my view. Too many of those making such claims impress me as sincere, credible people who have no reason to deceive. So, what is going on?

I believe they have achieved a remarkable degree of well-being. In some cases close to a cure, but, that ultimately I don’t believe any have totally freed themselves of Parkinson’s, i.e., that they are no longer loosing neurons.

What I think is happening is that a super disciplined, healthy regimen has more effect on some than others and on some has a near total effect.

I don’t see a lot original or unique in these regimens, except some differences in diet and supplements, which, by themselves, could not cause a cure.

So, what is happening is; all of us slow the progression in varying degrees with a healthy regimen, but there are those (who walk among us) for whom a healthy regimen is enough to have a dramatic impact.

Marc

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Agreed Marc. But "I believe they have achieved a remarkable degree of well-being. In some cases close to a cure, but, that ultimately I don’t believe any have totally freed themselves of Parkinson’s, i.e., that they are no longer loosing neurons." .. what gives you that idea? How would this be measured or confirmed/denied? Also, if PD is what drives folks to take such better care of their bodies, wouldn't that essentially make it a blessing to those who are willing to treat it as inspiration to better self care?

[pdpatient]

I did a new search entirely through Google. Just one of these guys show up. This themercury.com.au/news/tasm...

[pdpatient]

ChatGPT gave me a better result:Quoted verbatim.

I found several references to Chris Lacey and his journey with Parkinson's disease. Here are some key points:

1. Chris Lacey, who was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, reportedly needed help with daily tasks such as showering, shaving, and working buttons at the time of his diagnosis. He has spent thousands of hours on mindful woodworking, which seems to have played a significant role in his journey [source](subvertingparkinsons.com/ex....

2. There's a thread on HealthUnlocked's Cure Parkinson's forum that discusses Chris Lacey's road back to health as an ongoing personal success story [source](healthunlocked.com/cure-par....

3. An article from The Advocate mentions that Chris Lacey, of Devonport, is free of his Parkinson's Disease symptoms after an intensive course of therapy. His wife reportedly said that Chris is like his old self again [source](theadvocate.com.au/story/37....

4. Out-Thinking Parkinson's website also mentions Chris Lacey's story, stating that he is now free from his Parkinson's symptoms [source](outthinkingparkinsons.com/a....

Please note that while these sources mention Chris Lacey's improvement, it's important to consult with healthcare professionals for medical advice. Each individual's experience with Parkinson's disease can vary significantly, and what works for one person may not work for another.

[Aikidodrummer]

I'm surprised I haven't seen comments on Howard Shifkes book "Fighting Parkinson's and winning " he claims to be totally cured by doing his recipe as outlined in the book

[MBAnderson in reply to Aikidodrummer]

Since you raise his name , IMHO he is the one person on the list that is a fraud - never had PD.

[Aikidodrummer in reply to MBAnderson]

I'm keeping an open mind - how do we know he is a fraud ?

[MBAnderson in reply to Aikidodrummer]

We don't know. I'm just speculating.

This interview is 2 years old. Watch it and decide if you find his statements credible.

youtu.be/hwde5XxWitM(Not working as expected?)

A few things I find a stretch.

He insists PD is not incurable. (That means for many or all of us.)

“The body can heal itself from anything.”

“… I never looked at Parkinson’s as something wrong with my brain.”

In June of 2010 (when he recovered) he stopped doing the physical part of his regime and ever since relies solely on meditative, spiritual and prayer.

He is staunchly against PD medications.

He attributes his recovery to Chinese medicine. (If that were true, there wouldn’t be any Chinese with Parkinson’s.)

Diagnosed in 2009 and in June 2010 became symptom free.

He says his cure came from spending 60 to 90 minutes’ physical regimen mornings, spending a total of 2 hours daily and brain vibration chanting.

As of this interview he says he has been “… completely symptom free for 10 and ½ years…”

“I took a week off work, went to the library and did a lot of reading…”

“3 months later I recovered.”

“Every one of us is a spiritual being and if you can reach deep inside with that faith and be one with God, then that recovery starts inside and it comes up and pushes all the junk out.”

Blah, blah, blah.

[Aikidodrummer in reply to MBAnderson]

For me the only way to prove him wrong is to do his recipe and for it not to work. I don't think it can hurt although it is very time consuming

[MBAnderson in reply to Aikidodrummer]

Go ahead. Be my guest.

"...the only way to prove him wrong is to do his recipe and for it not to work." Or, apply some basic knowledge of Parkinson's.

[Aikidodrummer in reply to MBAnderson]

I've already done a little bit of his recipe and had a tiny bit of relief but I'm more concentrating on John Peppers program of fast walking every other day. I'm taking c-l dopa now ,but speaking of basic knowledge, that is the same medication my grandfather took ,so if that is as far as we've progressed in 60 years, yeah I think I will expl ore some different possibilities - thank you for posting that video of Howard Shifke

[MBAnderson in reply to Aikidodrummer]

If it works for you - great. There are others on the forum for whom Qigong works well. I hear you re medication.

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Basic CURRENT knowledge of PD, you mean? Is it possible that this is new information that simply has not been accepted by the status quo? Especially if it does not involve some magic pill, or device or surgery? ie $$$ ...

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

"He attributes his recovery to Chinese medicine. (If that were true, there wouldn’t be any Chinese with Parkinson’s.)" Marc, are you saying that all Chinese people follow Traditional Chinese medicine?

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

I would guess most do. Enough so that if his protocol cured PD, the Chinese would know about it. I'm not saying Qigong is not effective. I'm saying I don't believe Mr. Shifke cured himself of PD.

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

I hear you that you don't believe him. I'm just questioning what you are basing that belief on. And you think the Chinese would care more about curing pd than the profits they make from selling people meds and procedures?

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

Only the US, of all other industrialized countries, allows drug and insurance companies to run the health care industry.

I am basing it on the belief that no one has cured themselves of PD as he claims. In addition, he cites spirituality and prayer. What would be the mechanism of action of such therapies?

[MBAnderson in reply to MBAnderson]

I just don't believe exercises such as this cure PD. Do you?

youtu.be/VEouoXJk_V8(Not working as expected?)

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

BELIEF!!! And your belief leads you to deny or ignore these possibilities. If the brain and therefore body is not susceptible to belief, then how does the placebo effect even function for a moment? As for insurance companies somehow being more honest than drug manufacturers, I'm not sure I have the same understanding. The industry works as a whole, and at this point post covid it is pretty obvious to me that there is a systemic mechanism in place that causes profits to be top priority for all the various cogs of that system. Then honest folks who have made personal discoveries and want to help others do the same, get questioned rather than us questioning the mechanisms (capitalism, free market economics, money system, etc...)

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

Yes, that is my belief. I will ignore Mr. Shifke.

That Mr. Shifke's exercises caused his dopaminergic neurons to stop dying and allowed him to achieve a full recovery is -- silliness.

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

Why don't you duplicate his formula and report back?

I dearly don't like having PD. If I thought there was any possibility it worked, as you do, I would be at it full speed ahead in less time than it takes for someone to blow their horn when a stop light turns from red to green in New York city. 🙂

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

Haha! That's funny Marc. Well you do you and I will do me and I'm time we will see the results. I just don't see things as so black and white. It's not clear to me what "works" so I'm willing to investigate and attempt to have the humility to be open to new and possibly hard to believe information without calling it silly.

[MBAnderson in reply to gomelgo]

That's the right attitude to have.

When I was new to this, I, too, was willing to investigate everything. Not so much anymore. I've apparently gotten cynical and skeptical in my old age.

(Can you imagine being married to Shifke?)

[gomelgo in reply to MBAnderson]

I could imagine that. And I could imagine how important skepticism is too. I have a healthy dose of that in me as well. I just use it on "both sides" of every issue. Jenness had luck says that is a huge part of the "Parkinsons personality". And I totally have seen it so far, both in me and other pwp. I just refuse to become rigid in any way.

[Ethin]

A very good demonstration of the fact that Large scale Language Models like the ones used here generate the_most likely_output given the training data. ‘Most likely’ does not necessarily result in concrete working links or information that has to be true. LLMs are not to be trusted for scientific or medical advice.

[pdpatient in reply to Ethin]

Absolutely agree, Ethin. I have learnt my lesson. There was such a confident response from the engine /model along with the research links that I couldn't be be bothered with checking each and every link and detail before disseminating the information.

Again, I am sorry, I will do a better job of curating for future posts. I subsequently read about the case of a lawyer who filed a case brief on behalf of his client using ChatGPT and got burnt badly after the judge discovered that the information presented had never existed.

See bbc.com/news/world-us-canad...

Hopefully, these LLM's will improve over time.

[gomelgo]

Is there a list anywhere of people who have cured themselves? That would be an amazing resource!