Promising results with electromagnetic therapy (reported long ago)

[MehmetKutlu]

In the nineties, Dr. Reuven Sandyk, a New York neurologist, reported incredible improvements with application of external weak electromagnetic currents in PWP. He is still in medical practice.

Here is a compilation of his publications and a few others, along with relevant pubmed links:

Weak magnetic fields as a novel therapeutic modality in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/130...

Further observations on the unique efficacy of picoTesla range magnetic fields in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/808...

Mechanisms and therapeutic applications of electromagnetic therapy in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/263...

Reversal of micrographia in Parkinson's disease by application of picoTesla range magnetic fields

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/798...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/777...

Reversal of a visuoconstructional deficit in Parkinson's disease by application of external magnetic fields: a report of five cases

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/805...

Treatment of Parkinson's disease with magnetic fields reduces the requirement for antiparkinsonian medications

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/792...

Rapid improvement of visuoperceptive functions by picoTesla range magnetic fields in patients with Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/806...

Weak magnetic fields as a novel therapeutic modality in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/130...

Treatment with weak electromagnetic fields controls drooling in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/900...

Freezing of gait in Parkinson's disease is improved by treatment with weak electromagnetic fields

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/872...

Reversal of visuospatial deficit on the Clock Drawing Test in Parkinson's disease by treatment with weak electromagnetic fields

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/755...

Improvement in short-term visual memory by weak electromagnetic fields in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/777...

Treatment with AC pulsed electromagnetic fields improves olfactory function in Parkinson's disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/103...

Weak magnetic fields in the treatment of Parkinson's disease with the "on-off" phenomenon

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/130...

Reversal of cognitive impairment in an elderly parkinsonian patient by transcranial application of picotesla electromagnetic fields

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/939...

A drug naive parkinsonian patient successfully treated with weak electromagnetic fields

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/774...

Retrospective Evaluation of Deep Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation as Add-On Treatment for Parkinson's Disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/265...

Excitatory deep repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation with H-coil as add-on treatment of motor symptoms in Parkinson's disease: an open label, pilot study

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/243...

If his results are valid, why was he totally ignored by the medical community ??

[parkie13]

Dr. Anthony Smith get rid of my lyme disease using magnets in if I remember correctly three sessions.

[faridaro in reply to parkie13]

Would love to learn more about your magnet treatment of Lyme and where Dr. Smith is located - I've never heard of magnet therapy

[parkie13 in reply to faridaro]

lymestop.com/about/

This was about 10 years ago. I do not know what is going on currently. This is definitely not for everybody. Closest that I can equate it to is Magic. By holding on to your hand he tests for what you have what you are allergic to what agrees with you. He also runs through which supplements you are deficient in and the dosage. He has a good following and also he's doing seminars on how to do it now. Sorry, I am not able to be more helpful.

[faridaro in reply to parkie13]

Sounds like applied kinesiology also known as a muscle strength testing. Years ago I've known a chiropractor who was practicing it but I don't think his results were accurate. It may all depend on the practitioner's skills. Thank you for mentioning this - it may be something worth looking at, however, I don't think this method uses any magnets. I realize it's been a long time but may be you can tell about the use of magnets if you remember.

Thanks!

[parkie13 in reply to faridaro]

He had two large magnets. It was about 3 inches by 6 inch by inch and and a half deep, each magnet. Well, this sounds like real magic. He had me stand up and he ran the magnets along the top of my head and my back and I believe down the arms too. They do have some sort of a magnet on eBay in that size. Walter Last from Australia has written quite a bit about magnets. I went there before I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. I already was feeling kind of rough and I felt well maybe that would help. I think I paid around $700, us. I told a lady about it that has struggled with Lyme disease for quite a while and she looked into it but she told me that he was way more, if I remember correctly around $4,000. Again this is just hearsay. He did not tell me that I have Parkinson's, I think he said he did not know what I had. So, that's my story. Mary

[Jennyjenny2]

Thanks for posting all of the above. Very interesting.

If his results are valid, I think we know the answer to your question. 🙂

[MarionP in reply to Jennyjenny2]

A very big "if" there. 🙄

[Jennyjenny2 in reply to MarionP]

Hmm...I think you could be right there 🙂

I’ll try and research into it more. That’s my life now, looking into everything to try and help my husband, especially now as there appears to be cognitive issues creeping in 😞

[JayPwP]

Is a device available for sale?

[JayPwP in reply to JayPwP]

I can't find anything after

businesswire.com/news/home/...

[JayPwP]

If his results are valid, why was he totally ignored by the medical community ??

Because it would mean lesser sales of Parkinson's drugs??

[sharoncrayn in reply to JayPwP]

He was ignored because his publications were very small "case studies" of individuals without any type of controls for bias, i.e. his "freezing study" looked at 3 people where measurements of "improvement" were subjective.

[sharoncrayn in reply to JayPwP]

Here is another example of the lack of rigor in his case studies (n=1).

"I report an additional case of a 67-year-old man with idiopathic PD and levodopa-related motor fluctuations who likewise experienced marked and sustained improvement in Parkinsonian symptoms and amelioration of "on-off" symptoms following the application of external weak magnetic fields."

One person?

[MehmetKutlu in reply to sharoncrayn]

You are right. These are only case studies. They are definitely not on a par with rigorously conducted studies performed in large groups of patients. Also, there is no placebo - hence no comparison.

But still, there are several issues:

1. A single doctor in private practice and who is not actively affiliated to an academic institution cannot perform a controlled study by himself. That would require much time, specially trained medical personnel and a lot of money. Simply impossible.

2. The medical journals that accepted and published his papers must have thoroughly checked their scientific integrity and plausibility of the reported results. For sure. To my knowledge, every paper must pass through at least two expert reviewers plus the Editor before getting published.

3. If the whole thing, ie, weak magnetic field therapy for PD, is a big terrible fraud, then this would mean that this doctor is a criminal who exposes his PD patients to ineffective treatments on false hopes for money, and who, at the same time, attempts to deceive the medical community by fabricated publications full of BS. For years. I don't think such an immoral activity would have gone unnoticed in USA. Actually, this doctor has a good reputation.

4. I've been unable to find on the internet any sale of a device developed by Dr. Sandyk.

5. Although Dr Sandyk's cases are by no means definitive evidence for the efficacy of his picotesla EM treatment, they nevertheless lead to a hypothesis. They should have prompted performance of real studies with placebo controls by academics. Which would provide definitive answers. This never happened.

So, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

[MarionP in reply to MehmetKutlu]

Sorry, your logic in your five points above is incredibly flawed. None would exclude a flake or a crook. Maybe have a few referees and peer reviewers or really anybody else check out those arguments...

[MehmetKutlu in reply to MarionP]

I respectfully disagree. Dr. Sandyk has 336 peer-reviewed publications with nearly 6000 citations. Which means that, he and his colleagues (or should I say 'accomplices' ?) must have fooled at least 1000 peer reviewers and editors. On the internet his patients have rated him 5 stars on nearly every aspect of patient care.

What can I say ? Not every crook could be so adept.

[MarionP in reply to MehmetKutlu]

So then what accounts for not bringing this to development in so long?

[JayPwP in reply to MarionP]

Let's look at this objectively. Mannitol and Thiamine B1 are ignored by the medical community at large, because it falls out of the 'accepted line of treatment' decided by the medical / pharma community.

Same goes for red and near infrared lights, weak em wavelengths, sound wave chairs, etc.

This is true even though people are reporting high success using these protocols.

Why are these ignored?

Maybe because they are not universal protocols and don't benefit everyone. But even if they benefit 2% users out of the millions affected, don't those 2% deserve a chance at a better life? Isn't it the responsibility of the medical community to give those sufferers that chance?

My father suffered a stroke in November 2005 and passed away in October 2012. He was comatose for the last 3 months of his life. I tried everything from pharmaceutical to Ayurveda to stem cells.

During that time I begged the treating MD to prescribe Zolpidem because it was observed to wake up patients who were vegetative, even showed news and research, but I was refused citing it was not 'accepted line of treatment'. Maybe it would have woken my father, maybe not, but he sure as hell deserved a chance!

[bepo in reply to JayPwP]

For the most part, accepted treatment is pharmaceuticals, and only pharmaceuticals, even though in the US, pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death. There is no incentive, (profit), for non-pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceutical lobby is absolutely, the strongest lobby for both media, and politicians. How did that industry get to be so powerful? How did they begin in the late 18oo's? Were they ruthless even then?

[JayPwP in reply to bepo]

Agreed

[Hidden in reply to JayPwP]

Do you think that the entire medical community profits from the sale of relatively low margin PD drugs?

I empathise with your desire to find something/anything that helps with PD, but I politely suggest that your BS meter needs a pretty significant recalibration.

[JayPwP in reply to Hidden]

I leave it at that. I have a right to my BS meter and you have a right to your polite rudeness.

[bepo in reply to Hidden]

You keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you are getting. How is that working for you??

[JeanieBeanie]

I don't think it would be possible to have this if you have had DBS.

[M-o-ggy]

I have recently had Bioresonance Therapy. Lockdown has interrupted the treatment so I have only had two treatments.

I was extremely sceptical but it has made a big difference, especially to my balance

[Trixiedee in reply to M-o-ggy]

Where did you have that? I’m thinking you’re in the UK like me. My balance is terrible thanks to Sinemet.

[KERRINGTON in reply to Trixiedee]

I didn't know Sinemet affected balance, interesting.

[Trixiedee in reply to KERRINGTON]

Dyskinesia from Sinemet has badly affected my balance and causes vertigo.

[M-o-ggy in reply to Trixiedee]

Hi there I can’t give you any more inf. As PD is not thought to be cureable I thought I would try it. A local Homeopath provides the service. It is £50 a visit a month which I find expensive.

I was not convinced about it and was sceptical. I had two treatments and then we had lockdown I feel less frail, my muscles feel stronger and my balance is much better.

Everything I try is in isolation. I tried B1 last year and let that effect work through before I tried this.

I was not expecting anything but on the basis of it not doing any harm I gave it a try.

Apparently my chakras were/was open whatever that means. Lol

When lockdown permits I shall have another session.

I am in the UK. I don’t know if there is an association or organisation that regulates this I shall ask.

I am aware of effect of magnetic fields and electrical impulse on the cells so perhaps this is just another arm of this science.

[Trixiedee in reply to M-o-ggy]

I’m in the UK too. Where are you? Do your know what type of Bioresonance machine it was?

[Trixiedee in reply to Trixiedee]

I’m having Focused Ultrasound in October but I need something tide me over until then. I’m scared I might break my neck falling down the stairs. Sometimes I get stranded upstairs as I can’t get down the stairs.

[M-o-ggy in reply to Trixiedee]

Hi there. A Bioresonance dialog Rionex Rayocomp PS 1000 polar was written on the machine

[Trixiedee in reply to M-o-ggy]

Thanks. Where is your homeopath?

[M-o-ggy in reply to Trixiedee]

Mid Wales

[MarionP in reply to M-o-ggy]

Would like to know a great deal more. Can you elaborate and can you provide or refer to sources?

[M-o-ggy in reply to MarionP]

Hi there I can’t give you any more inf. As PD is not thought to be cureable I thought I would try it. A local Homeopath provides the service. It is £50 a visit a month which I find expensive.

I was not convinced about it and was sceptical. I had two treatments and then we had lockdown I feel less frail, my muscles feel stronger and my balance is much better.

Everything I try is in isolation. I tried B1 last year and let that effect work through before I tried this.

I was not expecting anything but on the basis of it not doing any harm I gave it a try.

Apparently my chakras were/was open whatever that means. Lol

When lockdown permits I shall have another session.

I am in the UK. I don’t know if there is an association or organisation that regulates this I shall ask.

I am aware of effect of magnetic fields and electrical impulse on the cells so perhaps this is just another arm of this science.

[bepo]

George has been using a PEMF (Pulsed electro magnetic fields therapy) for years. I think that has helped. He just has to have the will to do it on a regular basis.

[MarionP]

That's all nice, curing PD with magnets... if it was PD, if it was magnetics, and if it was real in the first place...which is why, of course, to be valid, results must be replicated, multiple times, by independent other scientists groups, publishers, and referees. So why nothing since, especially given your comment about "incredible?"

[MarionP]

You would think that with today's technology a device to deliver the proper magnetic influence could be built right into any common cell phone. It's a simple matter of broadcasting a tiny signal up against one's skin. A cure by laying on of phone. Wondering then why it hasn't been?

[MehmetKutlu]

I wholeheartedly agree that his results MUST be verified by proper large-scale studies with placebo controls and using the proprietary devices that he developed. And yes, it is possible that, such studies could reveal his treatment modality to be ineffective. This would be an unequivocal conclusion no one could dispute. What I find really odd is that no such investigation has been done in the past 3 decades, nor will there be.

As far as I could glean from the medical texts, Dr Sandyk et al do not conceive PD as a magnetic disease. Rather, they opine that careful application of a magnetic field of specific amplitude, frequency and waveform to some brain regions can modulate dopamine and other neurotransmitter secretion. Anyway, I'm not a neurologist, and cannot assess the plausibility of their theory.

Since it is unlikely that we'll see any definitive study on the efficacy of Dr Sandyk's EM device (nor on other devices developed by different physicians), it is not possible to give an official recommendation to transcranial EM therapy for PD. Without that proof, no one can ever put a therapeutic magnet into any electronic device.

Despite these, some people might still want to give it a try..

[Parkie-]

Something similar was discussed here a year ago:

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

[MarionP]

Well, the MEDICAL community is not a RESEARCH community, except those involved in research. It's the research community and especially the funders of research who matter, it's really really expensive. For many years, the federal government funded most of the research, nowadays it's quite different because the US government has, over the last six decades, backed off from doing research and funding it, with private sources taking up most of whatever space has been filled but nothing like the old days ending in the 1970s or so, BROADLY speaking.

[MehmetKutlu in reply to MarionP]

Yes, these are the bitter truths, we have to live with. The US Government, by supporting high level research in National Institutes of Health and academic centers for decades, has led to discovery of some excellent drugs and vaccines. Now, it's been replaced by pharmaceutical companies. We are totally dependent on them for new drug development. And their output may not be very good. Example: Requip and Azilect. Both very expensive and did very little for me, with a lot of side effects.

[meandpd]

This reminds me a little of the Edgar Cayce wet cell battery used to reduce Parkinson's symptoms. Cayce was the well known American psychic healer back in the 1940s or so. One of these days I will build one and try it out. Here's a link to the "research" study journals.sfu.ca/seemj/index...